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Chinese media thinks PLA can annihilate Indian Army. Can they? A fact check
尽管印军人数劣势，但是如果Doklam对峙引发战争，印军可以打得中国人民解放军流鼻
血。
Despite numerical inferiority, the Indian Army may give the People's
Liberation Army of China a bloody nose if Doklam standoff leads to war.
Prabhash K Dutta
New Delhi, August 5, 2017 | UPDATED 17:42 IST
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Peoples Liberation Army of China: Picture for representation
HIGHLIGHTS
1Including reserve components, India has more troops than China.
2India and China are equal in terms of fighter aircrafts.
3China cannot afford to engage with Indian Navy far off from its supply base
.
The Doklam standoff between Indian Army and Chinese People's Liberation Army
started in June. In July, a CAG (Comptroller and Auditor General) report,
tabled in Parliament, said that the Indian Army does not have ammunition to
fight a war for more than 10 days.
And, now - in August - China's state media has said that Chinese PLA can "
annihilate" Indian Army if war breaks out between the two nuclear-armed
Asian neighbours.
A Global Times - a hawkish Chinese government mouthpiece - article said, "If
a war spreads, the PLA is perfectly capable of annihilating all Indian
troops in the border region."
The Global Times article described Indian Army as lying "far behind" in
strength in comparison to PLA. It said, "It is a war with an obvious result,
as PLA has made sufficient preparation for military confrontation. The
government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi should be aware of the PLA's
overwhelming firepower and logistics."
The claim of the Chinese state media calls for a look at how the armies of
India and China stack up. According to Global Firepower website - which
tracks military strengths of more than 100 countries- India and China are
ranked 4 and 3 among 133 military powers of the world.
ARMIES
Chinese PLA is the biggest military power in terms of number of troops
employed by it followed by the Indian Army. China has about 22.6 lakh
soldiers in its army while Indian Army has 13.6 lakh active troops. This
gives China a definite numerical edge over India but there are other factors
at work.
If the reserve components of the army are taken into account, China's
relative position weakens in comparison to India. Indian Army has about 28.
44 lakh reserve soldiers while Chinese PLA has about 14.52 lakh troops under
reserve components.
According to Global Firepower statistics, total military personnel under
Indian Army is about 42.07 lakh while for Chinese PLA, the total strength
stands at 37.12 lakh.Indian Army has 4,426 battle tanks while Chinese PLA
has 6,457. This number looks bigger on paper but in reality, Chinese tanks
have to be deployed over much larger border area compared to India's.
Further, Indian Army possesses 6,704 armoured fighting vehicles while PLA
has only 4,788.
China has numerical advantage in self-propelled artillery with 1,710 to 290
of India's. China also has 1,770 rocket projectors compared to 295 under
Indian Army. But, in towed artillery, Indian Army is even numerically
superior to Chinese PLA. Indian Army owns 7,414 towed artillery while PLA
has 6,246 such vehicles.
AIR FORCES
China has 1,271 fighter or interceptor aircraft while Indian Army has 676
such planes. Similarly, China has 1,385 attack aircraft while the Indian Air
Force owns 809 such fighter planes. But, the critical point here is again
that the area over which the China has to press its aircraft into service is
almost three times that of India's.
Though Indian Air Force has less number of main fighter aircraft, its
support system is far superior to Chinese. The IAF has 857 transport
aircraft compared to 782 owned by China. India has 346 serviceable airports
compared to China's 507.
In terms of helicopters, India may actually have relative advantage. The IAF
has 666 helicopters while China has 912. However, while China has 206
attack helicopter, the IAF has only 16. China's geographical area is more
than three times of India's.
In all, Indian Air Force has 2,102 compared to 2,955 of China. This is in no
way inferior given the strategic dimensions the respective air forces have
to look after.
NAVAL FORCES
Though the Indian Navy has three aircraft carriers while China has just one,
Chinese naval force looks superior on paper in comparison to India's. China
has 68 submarines compared to 15 of the Indian Navy.
India has 14 frigates while China has 51. Similarly, China has 35 destroyers
while Indian Navy has 11. China has 31 mine warfare craft compared to six
owned by the Indian Navy. But, the naval power superiority may not actually
help China in the event of war.
China cannot afford to engage with the Indian Army so far from its supply
base. Its submarines and destroyers may easily be trapped in the Indian
Ocean where Indian Navy is a formidable power.
GROUND REALITY
Further, China has too much at stake along its eastern borders for its army
and air force to divert its full resources to Indian borders. In contrast,
India's maritime borders are peaceful.
India has a shared border of 13,888 km while Chinese frontline extends upto
22,457 km. India doesn't have favourable equation on borders Bangladesh,
Myanmar, Bhutan and Nepal. But, China is in border tussle with not only in
the Himalayas but also in the South China Sea and East China. Its central
Asian border is also a worry for Beijing.
Under such security and geostrategic circumstances, the claim of the Chinese
state media looks totally misplaced and hyperbole. Chinese government is
feeling domestic pressure as India resisted its attempt to alter trijunction
in Doklam plateau while it went overboard with provocative and war-
mongering statements.
There are signs that diplomatic channels are working and progress is being
made especially after National Security Advisor Ajit Doval's Beijing visit
when he met Chinese President Xi Jinping among others. Over the past two
days, both India and China have said that diplomatic solution is being
worked out. With this in backdrop, it seems the Chinese state media is only
playing to the gallery in that country.
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发帖数: 189 | 2 原来1967年印军就曾经把解放军打得流鼻血，阿三牛逼
The last Sikkim stand-off: When India gave China a bloody nose in 1967
The 1967 incident marked the last incident of casualties on both sides in
the Sikkim sector. And the last death in any sector of the India-China
border was in 1975 at Tulung La, and that was by accident, when two patrols
were lost in the fog.
The last time India and China were engaged in a major military stand-off
in Sikkim was in 1967.
On that instance, just five years after India's traumatic 1962 war defeat,
the Indian Army gave the Chinese a bloody nose, according to accounts from
the time. More than 80 Indian soldiers were killed, while estimates say
between 300 to 400 Chinese troops were killed.
It was certainly a different time: One account suggests that to protest
China's actions then in Sikkim, which reportedly included a Chinese
complaint of a herd of sheep being stolen, a 43-year-old Member of
Parliament by the name of Atal Bihari Vajpayee drove a herd of sheep to the
Chinese Embassy in Shantipath in New Delhi to stage a rather colourful
protest.
There are fascinating parallels from the 1967 incident. That was also a
stand-off that began with pushing and shoving, when the Chinese filled up
trenches that India had dug.
That stand-off was also marked by Chinese irritation at the Indian Army's
presence in the then Kingdom of Sikkim. This month's stand-off, in the
Doklam plateau contested by China and Bhutan, has reflected China's
annoyance with the Indian Army's presence in Bhutan. China's government said
this week that Bhutan was "a sovereign country" and no "third party" should
interfere.
"The Chinese were not comfortable with Sikkim being an Indian protectorate
with the deployment of the Indian Army at that time," recalled Maj Gen Sheru
Thapliyal (retd), who was in 1967 posted in nearby Sebu La and later
commanded the Nathu La brigade.
As he wrote in an essay published in 2004 in Force magazine and later
published by the Centre for Land Warfare Studies, the stand-off began as
engineers and jawans started erecting long iron pickets from Nathu La to
Sebu La along the perceived border, which was agreed by both sides under the
1890 treaty between Great Britain and Qing Dynasty China. A scuffle began
as China objected to the laying of the wire, and the PLA Political Commissar
was roughed up.
The Chinese returned days later. "A whistle was heard on the Chinese side
followed by murderous medium machine gun fire from north shoulder. The pass
is completely devoid of cover and the jawans of 70 Field Company and 18
Rajput were caught in the open and suffered heavy casualties which included
Col Rai Singh who was wounded. Two brave officers - Capt Dagar of 2
Grenadiers and Major Harbhajan Singh of 18 Rajput rallied a few troops and
tried to assault the Chinese MMG but both died a heroic death," recalled Maj
Gen Thapliyal.
He adds, "On 14 September 1967, Chinese threatened use of Air Force if
shelling did not stop. By then the lesson had been driven home and an uneasy
ceasefire came about. The Chinese, true to form, had pulled over dead
bodies to their side of the perceived border at night and accused us of
violating the border. Dead bodies were exchanged on 15 September at which
time: Sam Manekshaw, [then Eastern Army Commander], Aurora [Lt Gen Jagjit
Aurora, Corps Commander] and Sagat [Maj Gen Sagat Singh, GOC Mountain
Division in Sikkim] were present on the Pass."
He recalled the situation "again flared up twenty days later when on 1
October 1967 a face-off between India and China took place at Cho La,
another pass on the Sikkim-Tibet border a few kilometers north of Nathu La".
"Despite initial casualties, 7/11 GR and 10 JAK RIF stood firm and forced
the Chinese to withdraw nearly three kilometers away to a feature named Kam
Barracks where they remain deployed till date. Cho La Pass is firmly in
Indian hands. Indian Army had got better of the Chinese yet again."
He wrote, "No wonder, Sino-Indian border has remained peaceful ever since to
the extent that today Chinese soldiers come and ask their Indian
counterparts at Nathu La for cigarettes, rum and tea, mail is exchanged
twice in a week in a hut constructed specially for this purpose and border
personnel meeting takes place there twice a year."
The 1967 incident marked the last incident of casualties on both sides in
the Sikkim sector. And the last death in any sector of the India-China
border was in 1975 at Tulung La, and that was by accident, when two patrols
were lost in the fog. So despite the close parallels, 50 years on history is
unlikely to repeat itself with the border remaining largely tranquil in the
decades since.
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发帖数: 7321 | 3 双方嘴炮打得山响，就是不见行动。双方深得 上海人的真传。 | m*****u
发帖数: 15526 | 4 这种直接对比数量的都是军盲文章。要直接比数量，海湾战争时候的萨达姆也不比多国
联军差哪去。结果是一边倒被屠杀 | m*****u
发帖数: 15526 | 5 阿三还是永远自信下去好。苏30能飞的数量只能打对折。这种数量直接对比给人错觉太大 | s******y
发帖数: 17729 | 6 一边是文工团，一边是马戏团，这俩嘴炮杠杠的
check
【在 l**d 的大作中提到】
: 原来1967年印军就曾经把解放军打得流鼻血，阿三牛逼
:
:
: The last Sikkim stand-off: When India gave China a bloody nose in 1967
:
: The 1967 incident marked the last incident of casualties on both sides in
: the Sikkim sector. And the last death in any sector of the India-China
: border was in 1975 at Tulung La, and that was by accident, when two patrols
: were lost in the fog.
:
| t*******z
发帖数: 606 | 7 特意上India today看了下面的comments。貌似还是很愤青。不过没有前些日子那种动
不动就高呼要上核弹抹平中国的言论了。估计也开始冷静了吧。 | d*b
发帖数: 4453 | 8 原来中国和印度1967年还打了一仗。而且打得中国惨不忍睹，鼻口流血，印度死了差不
多300人，中国死了700到800人，最后连死体都没有搬走就撤离了战场。到了10月1日中
国国庆节的那天，印度才将尸体交换给了中国。
这个，共产党怎么就从来没有告诉过大家？ 奶奶的，今天才知道还有这事。 | P****R
发帖数: 22479 | 9
【在 d*b 的大作中提到】
: 原来中国和印度1967年还打了一仗。而且打得中国惨不忍睹，鼻口流血，印度死了差不
: 多300人，中国死了700到800人，最后连死体都没有搬走就撤离了战场。到了10月1日中
: 国国庆节的那天，印度才将尸体交换给了中国。
: 这个，共产党怎么就从来没有告诉过大家？ 奶奶的，今天才知道还有这事。
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发帖数: 189 | 10 1962年一个三哥就打死300名解放军，这个你奶奶也不知道吧？.
For the next three days, he incessantly fired at the Chinese army from these
spots. Almost 300 soldiers were shot dead.
http://www.thebetterindia.com/52550/jaswant-singh-war-hero-biopic/
【在 d*b 的大作中提到】
: 原来中国和印度1967年还打了一仗。而且打得中国惨不忍睹，鼻口流血，印度死了差不
: 多300人，中国死了700到800人，最后连死体都没有搬走就撤离了战场。到了10月1日中
: 国国庆节的那天，印度才将尸体交换给了中国。
: 这个，共产党怎么就从来没有告诉过大家？ 奶奶的，今天才知道还有这事。
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发帖数: 24000 | 11 土鳖真正怕的除了美帝，也没别人了
阿三这也就是嘴炮
真打起来，我还是押土鳖赢 | d*b
发帖数: 4453 | 12 麻痹的，这有点不可思。 三哥他妈的这么厉害？
these
【在 l**d 的大作中提到】
: 1962年一个三哥就打死300名解放军，这个你奶奶也不知道吧？.
: For the next three days, he incessantly fired at the Chinese army from these
: spots. Almost 300 soldiers were shot dead.
: http://www.thebetterindia.com/52550/jaswant-singh-war-hero-biopic/
| d*b
发帖数: 4453 | 13 How Jaswant Singh Became a War Hero by Singlehandedly Keeping the Chinese
Army at Bay for 3 Days
印度人的战争英雄，Jaswant Singh Became，１９６２年中印战争中３天击毙了３００
解放军
by Neeti Vijaykumar
April 16, 2016, 3:38 pm
In the last phase of the 1962 Sino-Indian war, Jaswant Singh Rawat fought
off a section of Chinese troops all by himself, over 3 days. His story has
so inspired Rakeysh Omprakash Mehra, of Bhaag Milkha Bhaag fame, that he
plans to make a biopic highlighting Jaswant’s bravery.
The story of Jaswant Singh Rawat is awe-inspiring for its selfless heroism
and bravery. It’s no wonder then that Rawat’s story piqued the interest of
Rakeysh Omprakash Mehra, who earlier made the stunning biopic on athlete
Milkha Singh, Bhaag Milkha Bhaag. Mehra began work on converting the story
of Rawat into a biopic in June 2015. He has even consulted Rawat’s family
and friends to get more details on him.
Rawat, who single-handedly fought off an entire troop of hundreds of Chinese
army men on a mountain for three days, is a legend revered by jawans who
are now posted near Jaswantgarh, the place where he was martyred.
It was the tail end of the Indo-Chinese war in 1962. The Sino-Indian border,
an unfenced 1000-kilometre stretch at altitudes of 14,000 feet,
characterised by freezing climes and inhabitable rocky terrain, was the
unfortunate battleground. The Chinese troops were advancing over the
Himalayan border, claiming Indian land, while the Indian troops bravely
fought them off.
Weeks before the ceasefire was called for between the two countries, Jaswant
Singh Rawat’s battalion, The Garhwal Rifles, was engaged in an intense
battle with the Chinese army at Nauranang. Soon though, the battalion was
called back, citing lack of resources and manpower.
According to local legends, he enlisted the help of Nura and Sela, two local
Monpa girls from Arunachal Pradesh, to set up a firing ground, in what
would be called the battle of Nauranang. He picked three areas to set up his
weapons. For the next three days, he incessantly fired at the Chinese army
from these spots. Almost 300 soldiers were shot dead.
The Chinese army, fearing that they were up against a large troop, stopped
in their tracks. The illusion that Rawat had wanted to create worked. The
Chinese troops had no clear idea about the number of men they were up
against, and had no way of finding out.
It took time, but the enemy troops finally learnt the truth. On November 17,
1962, Rawat was surrounded from all sides by the Chinese troops. When the
attack began, he knew he would be captured. He then shot himself dead to
avoid ending up their prisoner. Meanwhile, a grenade blast killed Sela, but
the troops managed to capture Nura alive.
Also Read: 10 Army Heroes and Their Extraordinary Tales of Bravery
The legend goes on to say that the Chinese troops cut off his head to take
home as a souvenir. After the war, the Chinese army returned his head, and,
impressed by his valour as a lone warrior, also gifted a bust of Rawat made
of brass. Some stories say that Rawat didn’t kill himself but was caught by
the Chinese troops and hung.
Soon, the ceasefire was ordered, and the war was over. The area where Rawat
last stood his ground was named Jaswantgarh. A hut was built over that area,
where a dedicated staff prepares his bed, shines his shoes, irons his
clothes, all as if he were still alive.
He was bestowed with the Mahavir Chakra posthumously, and is still
considered a serving officer. | s**********n
发帖数: 1019 | 14 哈哈 神枪手秒杀300解放军， 最后寡不敌众企图自杀， 结果没射中自己的头， 被活
捉。 | w*****s
发帖数: 2896 | 15 《今日印度》就是笑话。
土共考虑的主要是政治因素居多，而不是军事因素，这《今日印度》还真以为土共不打
印度是因为看到印度陈兵边境吓着了，傻啊。 | c***c
发帖数: 21374 | 16 "He then shot himself dead to avoid ending up their prisoner."
你怎么看的？
【在 s**********n 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈 神枪手秒杀300解放军， 最后寡不敌众企图自杀， 结果没射中自己的头， 被活
: 捉。
| p***n
发帖数: 17190 | 17 派吳京去
一腳一個
四百多個都踢出中國邊界
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【在 l**d 的大作中提到】
: 1962年一个三哥就打死300名解放军，这个你奶奶也不知道吧？.
: For the next three days, he incessantly fired at the Chinese army from these
: spots. Almost 300 soldiers were shot dead.
: http://www.thebetterindia.com/52550/jaswant-singh-war-hero-biopic/
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