r***k
发帖数: 162 | 1 有个疑问，小女孩在第四层跳楼回到第三层，这时候雪堡爆炸，小女孩和fisher以及火
枪手回到第二层（日本人死了去了limbo），这时候第二层电梯坠落，留守的帅哥和小
女孩，fisher以及火枪手回到第一层，这时候van正在坠落过程中，按理说除了
leonardo和日本人，车上所有人应该都回到现实中的飞机上，但为什么fisher和那个假
扮老头的人（火枪手）会从水中爬出来呢？他们是怎么回到飞机上的呢？没想明白。。
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m*t
发帖数: 843 | 2 kick in N level will wake up dreamer in N+1 level
van hitting water wake up people in elavator
the fly attendent wake up people after they get out from water ( movie
could have given this scene for a couple secs though)
【在 r***k 的大作中提到】
: 有个疑问，小女孩在第四层跳楼回到第三层，这时候雪堡爆炸，小女孩和fisher以及火
: 枪手回到第二层（日本人死了去了limbo），这时候第二层电梯坠落，留守的帅哥和小
: 女孩，fisher以及火枪手回到第一层，这时候van正在坠落过程中，按理说除了
: leonardo和日本人，车上所有人应该都回到现实中的飞机上，但为什么fisher和那个假
: 扮老头的人（火枪手）会从水中爬出来呢？他们是怎么回到飞机上的呢？没想明白。。
: 。
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r***k
发帖数: 162 | 3
kick in N level will wake up dreamer in N+1 level只适用于普通药物，当用了加
强药物后，kick in N level不能唤醒N+1 level的人，否则小女孩在第四层也不用把
fisher扔下楼然后自己跳楼了，只要让火枪手在第三层kick就行了
【在 m*t 的大作中提到】
: kick in N level will wake up dreamer in N+1 level
: van hitting water wake up people in elavator
: the fly attendent wake up people after they get out from water ( movie
: could have given this scene for a couple secs though)
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b*****t
发帖数: 3396 | 4 其实上fisher 和老头 never went back
【在 r***k 的大作中提到】
: 有个疑问，小女孩在第四层跳楼回到第三层，这时候雪堡爆炸，小女孩和fisher以及火
: 枪手回到第二层（日本人死了去了limbo），这时候第二层电梯坠落，留守的帅哥和小
: 女孩，fisher以及火枪手回到第一层，这时候van正在坠落过程中，按理说除了
: leonardo和日本人，车上所有人应该都回到现实中的飞机上，但为什么fisher和那个假
: 扮老头的人（火枪手）会从水中爬出来呢？他们是怎么回到飞机上的呢？没想明白。。
: 。
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r***k
发帖数: 162 | 5
fisher肯定是回去了，因为最后在机场有他的镜头，第一层的老头是火枪手假扮的，火
枪手最后也回到飞机上了。我就是没明白van入水后，为什么fisher和老头（火枪手）
会从van里出来游到岸边。。。
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: 其实上fisher 和老头 never went back
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f*****g
发帖数: 51 | 6 agreed. but my question is, if kick at level 3 can bring back page, why
would page jump off from level 4, seems pointless since she could have just
waited for the kick to wake her up to level 3
【在 m*t 的大作中提到】
: kick in N level will wake up dreamer in N+1 level
: van hitting water wake up people in elavator
: the fly attendent wake up people after they get out from water ( movie
: could have given this scene for a couple secs though)
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a******e
发帖数: 6689 | 7 u need to be awake in each level to be able to feel the kick from above for
it to work. The kick in level 2 dream (elevator) can't wake Page in level 3
unless she wakes from her level 4 dream first.
just
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: agreed. but my question is, if kick at level 3 can bring back page, why
: would page jump off from level 4, seems pointless since she could have just
: waited for the kick to wake her up to level 3
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f*****g
发帖数: 51 | 8 but the collapsing of the snow fortress at level 3 (the 'kick') should wake
up page from level 4; page's jumping off at level 4 is not the same as
fisher being pushed off at level 4, because he needs to wake up to level 3
and finish the 'job' before everyone at level 3 gets the 'kick' from level 2
, but page really didn't have to do that
for
3
【在 a******e 的大作中提到】
: u need to be awake in each level to be able to feel the kick from above for
: it to work. The kick in level 2 dream (elevator) can't wake Page in level 3
: unless she wakes from her level 4 dream first.
:
: just
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N****O
发帖数: 4202 | 9 因为前提是fisher不知道这层也是梦境，认为要爬上去才能活命；而假老头当然要跟着
一起爬上去以显得真实咯。你没有看见假老头后来就在fisher身边变脸了吗？
回到飞机上？药效失灵，梦醒了，就回到飞机上了啊。
其实这一切都不要紧，要紧的是cobb提出的影响人潜意识方法能不能奏效。
只要fisher最后按照自己潜意识的东西去做，他们的计划就成功了，不管梦里面的东西有多么不符合逻辑，因为一旦从飞机上醒来，fisher就知道一切只是梦而已。其实最后计划能不能成功，谁都不知道，因为cobb只做过一起成功的实验（对她老婆）。这种只做过一次的实验即使是成功了，能不能重复还是个大问题。
【在 r***k 的大作中提到】
:
: fisher肯定是回去了，因为最后在机场有他的镜头，第一层的老头是火枪手假扮的，火
: 枪手最后也回到飞机上了。我就是没明白van入水后，为什么fisher和老头（火枪手）
: 会从van里出来游到岸边。。。
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a******e
发帖数: 6689 | 10 Well, I think the kick in each level is to wake the person in the level
above, otherwise, there's no need for the team to plan a kick in level 3,
since it'll be their last level as designed. Going off into level 4 is
completely improvisational. No way they would've known in advance.
wake
2
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: but the collapsing of the snow fortress at level 3 (the 'kick') should wake
: up page from level 4; page's jumping off at level 4 is not the same as
: fisher being pushed off at level 4, because he needs to wake up to level 3
: and finish the 'job' before everyone at level 3 gets the 'kick' from level 2
: , but page really didn't have to do that
:
: for
: 3
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