m*****L 发帖数: 64 | 1 Thank you for everyone's blessing. Yesterday When I read my screening report, I found that my gestational age on the blood test day was 4 days more than my real GA. And my birth date was
two years older on the report. Will these mistakes affect the risk factor I
got?
I'm still waiting for the FISH resort anxiously. When I did CVS on Thurday the doctor told me I might be able to get the perliminary FISH result in the following day. I kept calling since
Friday. I still haven't got it.....:( It dri |
az 发帖数: 16686 | 2 没事的,那个测试假阳挺多的,等好消息
版上水大,可能斑竹整理掉了吧
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【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : Thank you for everyone's blessing. Yesterday When I read my screening report, I found that my gestational age on the blood test day was 4 days more than my real GA. And my birth date was : two years older on the report. Will these mistakes affect the risk factor I : got? : I'm still waiting for the FISH resort anxiously. When I did CVS on Thurday the doctor told me I might be able to get the perliminary FISH result in the following day. I kept calling since : Friday. I still haven't got it.....:( It dri
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k**n 发帖数: 6198 | 12 bless, the same thing happened to my friend, and she has a happy girl now |
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a*****i 发帖数: 299 | 18 Bless. Hope everything turns out to be fine! |
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【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : Thank you for everyone's blessing. Yesterday When I read my screening report, I found that my gestational age on the blood test day was 4 days more than my real GA. And my birth date was : two years older on the report. Will these mistakes affect the risk factor I : got? : I'm still waiting for the FISH resort anxiously. When I did CVS on Thurday the doctor told me I might be able to get the perliminary FISH result in the following day. I kept calling since : Friday. I still haven't got it.....:( It dri
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m*a 发帖数: 4927 | 22 best luck!
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【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : Thank you for everyone's blessing. Yesterday When I read my screening report, I found that my gestational age on the blood test day was 4 days more than my real GA. And my birth date was : two years older on the report. Will these mistakes affect the risk factor I : got? : I'm still waiting for the FISH resort anxiously. When I did CVS on Thurday the doctor told me I might be able to get the perliminary FISH result in the following day. I kept calling since : Friday. I still haven't got it.....:( It dri
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y******i 发帖数: 119 | 24 你不用这么担心。这个东西的假阳性在95%以上。 |
m*******e 发帖数: 1886 | 25 Bless!不会有事的,看到版上很多后来都没事。妈妈放宽心! |
c******r 发帖数: 3778 | 26 首先祝福mm!
你前面那个帖子可能是你不小心给delete了。除了第一帖,
其他都在,所以从主题模式下看不到,但是文章模式下还可以
看见。没关系,咱们在这里继续给mm讲讲吧。
胎儿染色体异常中最常见的是21三体(三条21号染色体-唐氏
综合征),18三体(三条18号染色体,爱德华综合征),13
三体(三条13号染色体,帕陶综合征)。此外还有更少见的
其他染色体异常。
first trimester要测三项指标 - nuchal
translucency, hCG, and PAPP-A。其中第一项是B
超,后两项是血检。主要查的是21和18三体。
对于这三项指标结果的准确性:
The combined accuracy rate for the screen to
detect the chromosomal abnormalities
mentioned above is approximately 85% with a
false positive rate of 5%. This means that:
Approximately 85 out of every 100 babi
【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : Thank you for everyone's blessing. Yesterday When I read my screening report, I found that my gestational age on the blood test day was 4 days more than my real GA. And my birth date was : two years older on the report. Will these mistakes affect the risk factor I : got? : I'm still waiting for the FISH resort anxiously. When I did CVS on Thurday the doctor told me I might be able to get the perliminary FISH result in the following day. I kept calling since : Friday. I still haven't got it.....:( It dri
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m*****L 发帖数: 64 | 27 Thank you very much clonebar (火星科学院院长)! You are like my chicken soup.
I already cried many times since yesterday. I believe all moms who had the
same experiences understand how I feel. Your explanation are very helpful.
One thing I don't understand is why there is only 5% normal pregancies
receive false alarm since I have read about so many false results stories.
Wish all moms and babies healthy.
【在 c******r 的大作中提到】 : 首先祝福mm! : 你前面那个帖子可能是你不小心给delete了。除了第一帖, : 其他都在,所以从主题模式下看不到,但是文章模式下还可以 : 看见。没关系,咱们在这里继续给mm讲讲吧。 : 胎儿染色体异常中最常见的是21三体(三条21号染色体-唐氏 : 综合征),18三体(三条18号染色体,爱德华综合征),13 : 三体(三条13号染色体,帕陶综合征)。此外还有更少见的 : 其他染色体异常。 : first trimester要测三项指标 - nuchal : translucency, hCG, and PAPP-A。其中第一项是B
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c******r 发帖数: 3778 | 29
长)! You are like my chicken soup.
yesterday. I believe all moms who had the
Your explanation are very helpful.
is only 5% normal pregancies
【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : Thank you very much clonebar (火星科学院院长)! You are like my chicken soup. : I already cried many times since yesterday. I believe all moms who had the : same experiences understand how I feel. Your explanation are very helpful. : One thing I don't understand is why there is only 5% normal pregancies : receive false alarm since I have read about so many false results stories. : Wish all moms and babies healthy.
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p********e 发帖数: 91 | 31 best wishes to your baby and you! |
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h****n 发帖数: 333 | 34 bless lz!
我觉得院长理解错了lz的问题
lz你问的是不是为什么只有5%的人出错,可是你却在版上看到那么多假阳性的人,最
终都证明是假的?这个是个概率问题
假设1000人中只有一个人是down syndrome
5%的假阳性表示讲有50个人得到阳性结果
这50个人中只有一个是真正down syndrome
所以你拿到阳性结果,是真的阳性的概率只有2%而已,看起来是不是很低?
越是罕见的疾病,这个概率越低,也就是很低的假阳性率如5%也可以导致最后这个概率很低
所以5%的假阳性不代表你拿到阳性结果就有95%的可能性是真的
不知道我说清楚没?
【在 c******r 的大作中提到】 : : 长)! You are like my chicken soup. : yesterday. I believe all moms who had the : Your explanation are very helpful. : is only 5% normal pregancies
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b***e 发帖数: 125 | 36 bless.
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【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : Thank you very much clonebar (火星科学院院长)! You are like my chicken soup. : I already cried many times since yesterday. I believe all moms who had the : same experiences understand how I feel. Your explanation are very helpful. : One thing I don't understand is why there is only 5% normal pregancies : receive false alarm since I have read about so many false results stories. : Wish all moms and babies healthy.
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c******r 发帖数: 3778 | 38 对对对,
这个5%的假阳性是指5%所有做这个测试的人,不是5%这个结
果的人。
好运说的例子完全正确,就是这样。
1000个人做检查,50个人(5%)会有阳性结果。这个阳性结
果的意思是结果>=1/300。因为羊穿的流产率是1/300所以
用这个比例做指标。当然这当中有的人是1/20,有的人是
1/150,有的人是1/18。这个具体数据不重要,重要的是,
谁也不知道那一两个真正的唐氏在哪里。有可能1/20的20个
人里面一个都没有,而1/100的里面有一个。
所以要再在这50人中做cvs,或者羊穿。
“所以5%的假阳性不代表你拿到阳性结果就有95%的可能性
是真的”
这句话很重要。5%只代表所有检查结果正常的人当中有5%有
异常结果。不代表阳性结果中95%的人是真的异常。
谢谢好运!
中提到: 】
看到那么多假阳性的人,最
起来是不是很低?
如5%也可以导致最后这个概率很低
是真的
【在 h****n 的大作中提到】 : bless lz! : 我觉得院长理解错了lz的问题 : lz你问的是不是为什么只有5%的人出错,可是你却在版上看到那么多假阳性的人,最 : 终都证明是假的?这个是个概率问题 : 假设1000人中只有一个人是down syndrome : 5%的假阳性表示讲有50个人得到阳性结果 : 这50个人中只有一个是真正down syndrome : 所以你拿到阳性结果,是真的阳性的概率只有2%而已,看起来是不是很低? : 越是罕见的疾病,这个概率越低,也就是很低的假阳性率如5%也可以导致最后这个概率很低 : 所以5%的假阳性不代表你拿到阳性结果就有95%的可能性是真的
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m*****L 发帖数: 64 | 39 Thank you very much! Yes, my question was 为什么只有5%的人出错,可是却在版
上看到那么多假阳性的人,最终都证明是假的?Your explanation makes sense to me
. I am really bad at math and statistics, just now I was thinking this
question and drew the same conclusion as you do. Actually I also understand
院长's answer on 5% threshold due to insurance cost issue.
Don't blame me Tang2 Seng1, I'm still wondering why I'm in this 5% group. If
expectant moms have completely normal pregnancies, why are their risks are
estimated higher and pulled
【在 h****n 的大作中提到】 : bless lz! : 我觉得院长理解错了lz的问题 : lz你问的是不是为什么只有5%的人出错,可是你却在版上看到那么多假阳性的人,最 : 终都证明是假的?这个是个概率问题 : 假设1000人中只有一个人是down syndrome : 5%的假阳性表示讲有50个人得到阳性结果 : 这50个人中只有一个是真正down syndrome : 所以你拿到阳性结果,是真的阳性的概率只有2%而已,看起来是不是很低? : 越是罕见的疾病,这个概率越低,也就是很低的假阳性率如5%也可以导致最后这个概率很低 : 所以5%的假阳性不代表你拿到阳性结果就有95%的可能性是真的
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b*******r 发帖数: 205 | 40 big bless, just relax MM |
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M********y 发帖数: 1121 | 42 BLESS!
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【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : Thank you very much! Yes, my question was 为什么只有5%的人出错,可是却在版 : 上看到那么多假阳性的人,最终都证明是假的?Your explanation makes sense to me : . I am really bad at math and statistics, just now I was thinking this : question and drew the same conclusion as you do. Actually I also understand : 院长's answer on 5% threshold due to insurance cost issue. : Don't blame me Tang2 Seng1, I'm still wondering why I'm in this 5% group. If : expectant moms have completely normal pregnancies, why are their risks are : estimated higher and pulled
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m*****L 发帖数: 64 | 43 I heard the nurse talk about FISH report but didn't know what it meant. I
just called the hospital and was told the FISH report will come out on
Monday. But the full report will need 1 to 2 weeks to be ready.
【在 m*****u 的大作中提到】 : bless~~~ : FISH结果一天就出来了
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c******r 发帖数: 3778 | 44 嗯,这样的。这些检查的结果如果按人数和数字大小画个曲
线,那么都是正态分布的钟形曲线。就是说大多数都是中间附
近,但是正常,非常非常正常的人,也会有一部分在两头,要
么数特大,要么特小(我说的是具体检查的结果,不是那个百
分比)。但是这些人都很正常,非常正常啊?为啥在两头?那
就不好说了,没有人知道。也许跟激素水平,营养环境啥的有
关系?不知道啊。多少是chance,没有办法的。自然界就是
这样的,有些人总会特立独行一些,与众不同一些,没啥不正
常的。因为正常指标的这个分布特性,一定会有人在两头。
但是你要是问,为啥自然分布的曲线不是三个blocks。。。
这个你要问god,呵呵
为什么只有5%的人出错,可是却在版
explanation makes sense to me
just now I was thinking this
you do. Actually I also understand
insurance cost issue.
wondering why I'm in this 5% group. If
pregnancies, why are their risks
【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : Thank you very much! Yes, my question was 为什么只有5%的人出错,可是却在版 : 上看到那么多假阳性的人,最终都证明是假的?Your explanation makes sense to me : . I am really bad at math and statistics, just now I was thinking this : question and drew the same conclusion as you do. Actually I also understand : 院长's answer on 5% threshold due to insurance cost issue. : Don't blame me Tang2 Seng1, I'm still wondering why I'm in this 5% group. If : expectant moms have completely normal pregnancies, why are their risks are : estimated higher and pulled
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m*****L 发帖数: 64 | 46 这个具体数据不重要,重要的是,谁也不知道那一两个真正的唐氏在哪里。
This is like a killer game. I almost laugh out in such a gloomy mood.
Sometimes I really doubt the meaning of these tests. I guess in our mother
or grandmother's time pregnancies must be simple and much less complicated.
【在 c******r 的大作中提到】 : 对对对, : 这个5%的假阳性是指5%所有做这个测试的人,不是5%这个结 : 果的人。 : 好运说的例子完全正确,就是这样。 : 1000个人做检查,50个人(5%)会有阳性结果。这个阳性结 : 果的意思是结果>=1/300。因为羊穿的流产率是1/300所以 : 用这个比例做指标。当然这当中有的人是1/20,有的人是 : 1/150,有的人是1/18。这个具体数据不重要,重要的是, : 谁也不知道那一两个真正的唐氏在哪里。有可能1/20的20个 : 人里面一个都没有,而1/100的里面有一个。
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m*****f 发帖数: 169 | 48 祝福!
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【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : 这个具体数据不重要,重要的是,谁也不知道那一两个真正的唐氏在哪里。 : This is like a killer game. I almost laugh out in such a gloomy mood. : Sometimes I really doubt the meaning of these tests. I guess in our mother : or grandmother's time pregnancies must be simple and much less complicated.
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t****9 发帖数: 1008 | 51 bless~~
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【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : 这个具体数据不重要,重要的是,谁也不知道那一两个真正的唐氏在哪里。 : This is like a killer game. I almost laugh out in such a gloomy mood. : Sometimes I really doubt the meaning of these tests. I guess in our mother : or grandmother's time pregnancies must be simple and much less complicated.
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c******r 发帖数: 3778 | 52 unknown=uncertainty。。。所以啊那个时候的新生儿死
亡率很高的。
确实,mm的情况有异常的概率要大于很多人,这个是事实,
要有一定的思想准备。但是即使如此,这个概率也不是非常
大,要有信心。
总结就是要一颗红心,两种准备。
祝福mm!
正的唐氏在哪里。
out in such a gloomy mood.
these tests. I guess in our mother
simple and much less complicated.
【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : 这个具体数据不重要,重要的是,谁也不知道那一两个真正的唐氏在哪里。 : This is like a killer game. I almost laugh out in such a gloomy mood. : Sometimes I really doubt the meaning of these tests. I guess in our mother : or grandmother's time pregnancies must be simple and much less complicated.
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w***4 发帖数: 302 | 53 BLESS!
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【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : 这个具体数据不重要,重要的是,谁也不知道那一两个真正的唐氏在哪里。 : This is like a killer game. I almost laugh out in such a gloomy mood. : Sometimes I really doubt the meaning of these tests. I guess in our mother : or grandmother's time pregnancies must be simple and much less complicated.
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w***4 发帖数: 302 | 54 BLESS!
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【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : 这个具体数据不重要,重要的是,谁也不知道那一两个真正的唐氏在哪里。 : This is like a killer game. I almost laugh out in such a gloomy mood. : Sometimes I really doubt the meaning of these tests. I guess in our mother : or grandmother's time pregnancies must be simple and much less complicated.
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m*****L 发帖数: 64 | 55 Thank you for everyone's blessing. How can I send out bao1 zi as a thank you
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f*******l 发帖数: 18 | 56 假阳性挺多。这也是我选择不做screening test 的原因。 |
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m*****i 发帖数: 1829 | 59 Big Bless!
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【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : Thank you for everyone's blessing. How can I send out bao1 zi as a thank you : gift?
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n********y 发帖数: 145 | 60 提醒一点,注意看看实验报告里你的due day填得对不对。这个是影响计算概率的关键
因素。
我开始被告知是阳性后,坐立不安,自己去医院实验室拿报告看,看到1:25时简直要
昏过去了。后来发现他们把我的due day填早了一个月。让他们重新算,变成1:2000了
。后来,我炒了那个医生。
顺便说一句,根据我看的资料,这个概率其实对很多参数非常敏感,比如参照人群。稍
有变化,就能把阴性变成阳性,实在是很不靠谱。不过羊穿结果应该是比较准的。
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【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : Thank you for everyone's blessing. How can I send out bao1 zi as a thank you : gift?
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s******M 发帖数: 3435 | 62 bless
你做15周左右的那个blood test了么
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m*****L 发帖数: 64 | 63 How can you 自己去医院实验室拿报告看? The doctor showed me the numbers and
the risk rate. I was told to wait for the phone call of the CVS test results
. My due date should be accurate. But thank you for the reminder, I'll
request a copy of the 实验报告.
How did you do your blook test? I drew blood from fingertips by myself and
pressed the blood onto a paper, then mail it to a specified lab. I'm
wondering if there are anything wrong with the blood sample. I had a hard
time to screeze the blood and even pressed
【在 n********y 的大作中提到】 : 提醒一点,注意看看实验报告里你的due day填得对不对。这个是影响计算概率的关键 : 因素。 : 我开始被告知是阳性后,坐立不安,自己去医院实验室拿报告看,看到1:25时简直要 : 昏过去了。后来发现他们把我的due day填早了一个月。让他们重新算,变成1:2000了 : 。后来,我炒了那个医生。 : 顺便说一句,根据我看的资料,这个概率其实对很多参数非常敏感,比如参照人群。稍 : 有变化,就能把阴性变成阳性,实在是很不靠谱。不过羊穿结果应该是比较准的。 : : counselor' : all
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m*****L 发帖数: 64 | 64 I am at my 12 weeks and 3 days. I already did CVS test.
【在 s******M 的大作中提到】 : bless : 你做15周左右的那个blood test了么 : 两个结合才算数的把
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n********y 发帖数: 145 | 65 我是在医院做的血检,因为我的ob是医院里的。lz的ob看来是私人诊所的。我当时那个
ob的护士很不负责,只跟我讲是阳性,其它一概不知道。所以我只好自己去医院实验室
取报告来看。你应该可以直接要医生给你报告复印件。
results
【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : How can you 自己去医院实验室拿报告看? The doctor showed me the numbers and : the risk rate. I was told to wait for the phone call of the CVS test results : . My due date should be accurate. But thank you for the reminder, I'll : request a copy of the 实验报告. : How did you do your blook test? I drew blood from fingertips by myself and : pressed the blood onto a paper, then mail it to a specified lab. I'm : wondering if there are anything wrong with the blood sample. I had a hard : time to screeze the blood and even pressed
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s******M 发帖数: 3435 | 66 好像咱们说的不是一个东西
我的ob没有让我做cvs,我发现的时候已经过了12周了
然后我问ob怎么能check其他潜在的基因疾病和唐氏
他让我做这个
quadruple screen test
是在15-18周做的
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/007311.htm
就是上面网站说的这个
我下周去做
只是fyi
and bless both of us for the good result from those endless test
【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : I am at my 12 weeks and 3 days. I already did CVS test.
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c******9 发帖数: 1353 | 71 big bless
我表姐当年是1/5,后来做羊穿一切正常,现在宝宝2岁多了,非常健康聪明。血液检查
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s*******y 发帖数: 46535 | 72 祝福!
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【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : I am at my 12 weeks and 3 days. I already did CVS test.
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S*****a 发帖数: 229 | 73 BLESS
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【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : I am at my 12 weeks and 3 days. I already did CVS test.
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c****o 发帖数: 72 | 74 Big Bless. Hope the results will turn good. |
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g****n 发帖数: 1786 | 77 bless bless
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【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : I am at my 12 weeks and 3 days. I already did CVS test.
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【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : I am at my 12 weeks and 3 days. I already did CVS test.
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j*****y 发帖数: 116 | 91 Big bless, MM. You will have a healthy happy baby!
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【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : I am at my 12 weeks and 3 days. I already did CVS test.
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c*****u 发帖数: 562 | 95 bigbless
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【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : I am at my 12 weeks and 3 days. I already did CVS test.
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f********e 发帖数: 111 | 99 祝福!
因为听到好几例1/5,1/20什么的最后都什么事没有,害得妈妈自己吓自己,所以我最
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m*****L 发帖数: 64 | 102 Thank you for everyone's blessing. I'm still waiting for the FISH resort
anxiously. When I did CVS on Thurday the doctor told me I might be able to
get the perliminary FISH result in the following day. I kept calling since
Friday. I still haven't got it.....:( It drives me crazy. I cannot focus on
anything except for waiting. Anyone did CVS before? How long did you wait to
get the perliminary FISH results??
Yesterday When I read my screening report, I found that my gestational age
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V***a 发帖数: 11942 | 103 前两天好像看到过一个类似的帖子,如果把年龄算错了,rate的确变化会比较大,建议
你给医生打电话,指出错的地方,让他们重新给你一个rate
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【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : Thank you for everyone's blessing. I'm still waiting for the FISH resort : anxiously. When I did CVS on Thurday the doctor told me I might be able to : get the perliminary FISH result in the following day. I kept calling since : Friday. I still haven't got it.....:( It drives me crazy. I cannot focus on : anything except for waiting. Anyone did CVS before? How long did you wait to : get the perliminary FISH results?? : Yesterday When I read my screening report, I found that my gestational age : on the blood t
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m*****L 发帖数: 64 | 104 Will the doctor charge me twice for the recalculation? Will it take long? I
was worried at that time I didn't even look at the report.
【在 V***a 的大作中提到】 : 前两天好像看到过一个类似的帖子,如果把年龄算错了,rate的确变化会比较大,建议 : 你给医生打电话,指出错的地方,让他们重新给你一个rate : : on : to : was : I
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p*********d 发帖数: 2373 | 105 如果是他们的错误,应该不会double-charge
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【在 m*****L 的大作中提到】 : Will the doctor charge me twice for the recalculation? Will it take long? I : was worried at that time I didn't even look at the report.
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m*****L 发帖数: 64 | 106 I don't know how can they put both dates wrong. is this common? Shouldn't we
trust the doctors and the hospitals 100%?
【在 p*********d 的大作中提到】 : 如果是他们的错误,应该不会double-charge : bless! : : I
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