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Outdoors版 - [求教]Mt. Rainier NP backpacking
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f*********1
发帖数: 419
1
谢谢之前各位给的回复,我还是有好些问题关于trail和permit的,就单独开个帖子。
我们有7天时间,还要留些时间从seattle到公园往返。
1。从seattle有shuttle去这个公园么?因为我们全程backpacking,租车挺不划算的。
2。如果走wonderland,7天时间如何安排呢?计划每天走8-10mi,走完整个loop是不
可能了,从中间节选的话就要考虑回头取车的问题。不知道从sunrize逆时针 走到
paradize是否合适?两点之间有shuttle么?
3。最关心的,现在申请wonderland permit还有可能吗?
4。如果wonderland的permit拿不到,去哪条backpacking trail好呢?
多谢多谢!另外,也欢迎加入,要求有backpacking装备,经验丰富,并且今年走过大
强度路线。再谢~
T*********e
发帖数: 39815
2
你什么时候去? 要给ranger station打电话问一下wonderland trail上的雪是否都化了
,以便做相应的准备
如果雪不是都化掉,你的行进速度会受影响
如果没有强烈的走长trail的愿望,不建议走全程wonderland,基板上你那几天都耗在那
里了
permit的问题,最好是直接给ranger station打电话
不记得有去rainier NP的shuttle,自己租车吧
另一个办法就是看看有没有朋友帮忙接送一下
或者,付点报酬,看看有没有人愿意从西雅图接送你

【在 f*********1 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢之前各位给的回复,我还是有好些问题关于trail和permit的,就单独开个帖子。
: 我们有7天时间,还要留些时间从seattle到公园往返。
: 1。从seattle有shuttle去这个公园么?因为我们全程backpacking,租车挺不划算的。
: 2。如果走wonderland,7天时间如何安排呢?计划每天走8-10mi,走完整个loop是不
: 可能了,从中间节选的话就要考虑回头取车的问题。不知道从sunrize逆时针 走到
: paradize是否合适?两点之间有shuttle么?
: 3。最关心的,现在申请wonderland permit还有可能吗?
: 4。如果wonderland的permit拿不到,去哪条backpacking trail好呢?
: 多谢多谢!另外,也欢迎加入,要求有backpacking装备,经验丰富,并且今年走过大
: 强度路线。再谢~

c*******r
发帖数: 13580
3

No
No
Call ranger station

【在 f*********1 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢之前各位给的回复,我还是有好些问题关于trail和permit的,就单独开个帖子。
: 我们有7天时间,还要留些时间从seattle到公园往返。
: 1。从seattle有shuttle去这个公园么?因为我们全程backpacking,租车挺不划算的。
: 2。如果走wonderland,7天时间如何安排呢?计划每天走8-10mi,走完整个loop是不
: 可能了,从中间节选的话就要考虑回头取车的问题。不知道从sunrize逆时针 走到
: paradize是否合适?两点之间有shuttle么?
: 3。最关心的,现在申请wonderland permit还有可能吗?
: 4。如果wonderland的permit拿不到,去哪条backpacking trail好呢?
: 多谢多谢!另外,也欢迎加入,要求有backpacking装备,经验丰富,并且今年走过大
: 强度路线。再谢~

c*******r
发帖数: 13580
4
Snow level was a bit lower than Paradise as of the day before yesterday.
Courgar rock was totally snow free. If you want to hike through Wonderland,
you might need a car anyway for caching. Well, you may carry all the food,
but it's going to be heavy. You definitely want to call the rangers for
detailed info on the trail conditions. It's quite possible that part of the
loop is not accessible.

化了
在那

【在 T*********e 的大作中提到】
: 你什么时候去? 要给ranger station打电话问一下wonderland trail上的雪是否都化了
: ,以便做相应的准备
: 如果雪不是都化掉,你的行进速度会受影响
: 如果没有强烈的走长trail的愿望,不建议走全程wonderland,基板上你那几天都耗在那
: 里了
: permit的问题,最好是直接给ranger station打电话
: 不记得有去rainier NP的shuttle,自己租车吧
: 另一个办法就是看看有没有朋友帮忙接送一下
: 或者,付点报酬,看看有没有人愿意从西雅图接送你

y*****y
发帖数: 3433
5
Grayline of seattle有车去rainier,不过那个是一天来回的,你也许可以跟他们商量
一下来回不同一天。
f*********1
发帖数: 419
6
thanks all!
电话ranger,答复现在wonderland 4500ft以上还有5 inch雪,我们7/18开始走trail
,不知道到时雪能不能化掉。ranger说月底估计能化完,不过我们离月底还有2周。
怎么办呢,换trail还是换公园?我们想走overnight的trail, day hiking不尽兴,也
不想走铺过的trail。还是backcountry trail走着有感觉。
谢谢!
s****t
发帖数: 746
7
7月18号不可能化干净了,但走到Summerland应该没问题,
你在那里camp一晚回头也是一样。
不如按照我前面给的计划,剩下时间去走Olympic NP的Hoh River trail吧,
这样两天看山,三天看水和冰川,也是很不错的。

trail

【在 f*********1 的大作中提到】
: thanks all!
: 电话ranger,答复现在wonderland 4500ft以上还有5 inch雪,我们7/18开始走trail
: ,不知道到时雪能不能化掉。ranger说月底估计能化完,不过我们离月底还有2周。
: 怎么办呢,换trail还是换公园?我们想走overnight的trail, day hiking不尽兴,也
: 不想走铺过的trail。还是backcountry trail走着有感觉。
: 谢谢!

T*********e
发帖数: 39815
8
不走全段的wonderland,sunrise那边,走一个晚上的trip
剩下的时间去olympic NP,7月中旬去那边正是好季节,那边也有足够长的trail够你走了

trail

【在 f*********1 的大作中提到】
: thanks all!
: 电话ranger,答复现在wonderland 4500ft以上还有5 inch雪,我们7/18开始走trail
: ,不知道到时雪能不能化掉。ranger说月底估计能化完,不过我们离月底还有2周。
: 怎么办呢,换trail还是换公园?我们想走overnight的trail, day hiking不尽兴,也
: 不想走铺过的trail。还是backcountry trail走着有感觉。
: 谢谢!

c*******r
发帖数: 13580
9
I haven't checked the elevation profile of Wonderland. But it doesn't sound
very promising for all the snow to melt out in 10 days. When I was at
Paradise this Monday, there was humongous snow. I could ski all the way down
to the car, literally with the ski tips touching the bumpers.
You don't have to hike through Wonderland though. You can avoid the sections
with snow. Or, you can hike through the snow too. If you want some
wilderness experiences, North Cascades NP is a better choice. It's rath

【在 f*********1 的大作中提到】
: thanks all!
: 电话ranger,答复现在wonderland 4500ft以上还有5 inch雪,我们7/18开始走trail
: ,不知道到时雪能不能化掉。ranger说月底估计能化完,不过我们离月底还有2周。
: 怎么办呢,换trail还是换公园?我们想走overnight的trail, day hiking不尽兴,也
: 不想走铺过的trail。还是backcountry trail走着有感觉。
: 谢谢!

T*********e
发帖数: 39815
10
今年的雪况,去north cascade可能有点早

sound
down
sections

【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: I haven't checked the elevation profile of Wonderland. But it doesn't sound
: very promising for all the snow to melt out in 10 days. When I was at
: Paradise this Monday, there was humongous snow. I could ski all the way down
: to the car, literally with the ski tips touching the bumpers.
: You don't have to hike through Wonderland though. You can avoid the sections
: with snow. Or, you can hike through the snow too. If you want some
: wilderness experiences, North Cascades NP is a better choice. It's rath

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c*******r
发帖数: 13580
11
oops, I think you are right. I wasn't even thinking about snow.

【在 T*********e 的大作中提到】
: 今年的雪况,去north cascade可能有点早
:
: sound
: down
: sections

f*********1
发帖数: 419
12
仔细看了看网站,WT营地几乎都满了,55,明年吧。
那现在就是olympic和north cascades了。请推荐backpacking trail⋯⋯或
者两个公园个3天,或者一个公园走7天。谢谢!
s****t
发帖数: 746
13
而且那条路太boring了,关键还得远路返回。
下次如果要走,我也一定要从Lake Chelan坐船出来。

【在 T*********e 的大作中提到】
: 今年的雪况,去north cascade可能有点早
:
: sound
: down
: sections

f*********1
发帖数: 419
14
谢谢~我去复习一下
olympic的wilderness permit难申请么?

【在 s****t 的大作中提到】
: 7月18号不可能化干净了,但走到Summerland应该没问题,
: 你在那里camp一晚回头也是一样。
: 不如按照我前面给的计划,剩下时间去走Olympic NP的Hoh River trail吧,
: 这样两天看山,三天看水和冰川,也是很不错的。
:
: trail

r******h
发帖数: 809
15
If you are not restricted to NPs, but open to any backpacking trails in WA,
I got the following list from a friend. I took his photo link off. If you
want to see pics, PM me.

Snowgrass Flat / Goat lake
That is in the Goat Rock wilderness, S of Rainier and HW 12. A very nice 2
day loop with camping at Goat Lake. It has a traverse of a steep slope that
I would not recommend with snow.
Last weekend, we climbed Dragontail off Icicle creek road. A fair number of
people hiked up to Colchuck la

【在 f*********1 的大作中提到】
: 仔细看了看网站,WT营地几乎都满了,55,明年吧。
: 那现在就是olympic和north cascades了。请推荐backpacking trail⋯⋯或
: 者两个公园个3天,或者一个公园走7天。谢谢!

f*********1
发帖数: 419
16
最后一句话让我很动心!不过既然白菜说雪太大,那就下次再去cascades吧。
怎么才能避开那些乌泱乌泱的人啊!

sound
down
sections

【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: I haven't checked the elevation profile of Wonderland. But it doesn't sound
: very promising for all the snow to melt out in 10 days. When I was at
: Paradise this Monday, there was humongous snow. I could ski all the way down
: to the car, literally with the ski tips touching the bumpers.
: You don't have to hike through Wonderland though. You can avoid the sections
: with snow. Or, you can hike through the snow too. If you want some
: wilderness experiences, North Cascades NP is a better choice. It's rath

s****t
发帖数: 746
17
never give up!
Keep planing and checking, there is always last minute cancellation,
you still have chance.

【在 f*********1 的大作中提到】
: 仔细看了看网站,WT营地几乎都满了,55,明年吧。
: 那现在就是olympic和north cascades了。请推荐backpacking trail⋯⋯或
: 者两个公园个3天,或者一个公园走7天。谢谢!

f*********1
发帖数: 419
18
去NP的好处是我有GPS地图,而且那么赫赫有名的地方,不去一次好像人生不完整:)
c*******r
发帖数: 13580
19
Oh, goat lake, one of my favorite places. It's gorgeous.
First time I went up Assgard pass, I thought it was beautiful, but that was
untill I came over to the other side of the enchantment lakes. That is
really the gist of it! Permits are hard to get though. Getting down Assgard
pass is painful and I'm sure there will still be snow. I recommend access
from Snow Lake.
Spider Meadows is another gorgeous place I highly recommend. Lyman Glacier
isn't a glacier per se, but rather a mild snow field. T

【在 r******h 的大作中提到】
: If you are not restricted to NPs, but open to any backpacking trails in WA,
: I got the following list from a friend. I took his photo link off. If you
: want to see pics, PM me.
:
: Snowgrass Flat / Goat lake
: That is in the Goat Rock wilderness, S of Rainier and HW 12. A very nice 2
: day loop with camping at Goat Lake. It has a traverse of a steep slope that
: I would not recommend with snow.
: Last weekend, we climbed Dragontail off Icicle creek road. A fair number of
: people hiked up to Colchuck la

c*******r
发帖数: 13580
20
Actually the backcounty here in Washington is seldom crowded. Rainier is
probably the only exception.

【在 f*********1 的大作中提到】
: 最后一句话让我很动心!不过既然白菜说雪太大,那就下次再去cascades吧。
: 怎么才能避开那些乌泱乌泱的人啊!
:
: sound
: down
: sections

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k***z
发帖数: 3522
21
That's why I have to give up Rainer and St. helens for this trip all
together. Simply too much snow remained. :(

sound
down
sections

【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: I haven't checked the elevation profile of Wonderland. But it doesn't sound
: very promising for all the snow to melt out in 10 days. When I was at
: Paradise this Monday, there was humongous snow. I could ski all the way down
: to the car, literally with the ski tips touching the bumpers.
: You don't have to hike through Wonderland though. You can avoid the sections
: with snow. Or, you can hike through the snow too. If you want some
: wilderness experiences, North Cascades NP is a better choice. It's rath

T*********e
发帖数: 39815
22
大老远的第一次来,而且不知道下一次什么时候来
还是去这几个NP好一些
虽然有很多名气不大的地方也很值得去
这几个NP也还算名副其实,值得一游

【在 f*********1 的大作中提到】
: 去NP的好处是我有GPS地图,而且那么赫赫有名的地方,不去一次好像人生不完整:)
c*******r
发帖数: 13580
23
I have 1:24k topo map for all 3 west coast states if you want. You don't
really need a high resolution map though if you intend to stay on trail.

【在 f*********1 的大作中提到】
: 去NP的好处是我有GPS地图,而且那么赫赫有名的地方,不去一次好像人生不完整:)
c*******r
发帖数: 13580
24
楼主没去过Rainier NP?那还是值得去一去的。

【在 T*********e 的大作中提到】
: 大老远的第一次来,而且不知道下一次什么时候来
: 还是去这几个NP好一些
: 虽然有很多名气不大的地方也很值得去
: 这几个NP也还算名副其实,值得一游

T*********e
发帖数: 39815
25
楼主是东部的吧
我假定他们以前没来过

【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: 楼主没去过Rainier NP?那还是值得去一去的。
s****t
发帖数: 746
26
Rainier is crowded for reasons!
Those trails are worth hiking even if there are lots of other visitors
if you've never been there before.

【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: Actually the backcounty here in Washington is seldom crowded. Rainier is
: probably the only exception.

c*******r
发帖数: 13580
27
I thought they were local.

【在 T*********e 的大作中提到】
: 楼主是东部的吧
: 我假定他们以前没来过

c*******r
发帖数: 13580
28
跟东部比起来,这里就没有crowded地方了

【在 s****t 的大作中提到】
: Rainier is crowded for reasons!
: Those trails are worth hiking even if there are lots of other visitors
: if you've never been there before.

T********d
发帖数: 621
29
1. If you are considering doing other backpacking trails other than
Wonderland, here is one: Lake Chelan, Lakeshore trail. No need to worry
about the snow this time of the year, even this year. Total 18 miles one way
. (You can take boat in, hike 18 miles, then take boat out) (This can be
done in 2 days: including driving, boating, backpacking, boating, driving
back)
2. Hiking Wonderland trail in 7 days is very doable. But not with the speed
of 8-10 miles/day.
3. Ideally, you can do:
2 days - La

【在 f*********1 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢之前各位给的回复,我还是有好些问题关于trail和permit的,就单独开个帖子。
: 我们有7天时间,还要留些时间从seattle到公园往返。
: 1。从seattle有shuttle去这个公园么?因为我们全程backpacking,租车挺不划算的。
: 2。如果走wonderland,7天时间如何安排呢?计划每天走8-10mi,走完整个loop是不
: 可能了,从中间节选的话就要考虑回头取车的问题。不知道从sunrize逆时针 走到
: paradize是否合适?两点之间有shuttle么?
: 3。最关心的,现在申请wonderland permit还有可能吗?
: 4。如果wonderland的permit拿不到,去哪条backpacking trail好呢?
: 多谢多谢!另外,也欢迎加入,要求有backpacking装备,经验丰富,并且今年走过大
: 强度路线。再谢~

f*********1
发帖数: 419
30
谢谢楼上各位!白菜说的对,我在纽约,还从来没去过WA,也不知道下次什么时候能再
去,这次能走7天我很珍惜。现在倾向去Olympic和Rainier,总量7天。
本来想7天走个长长的trail,但是这3个公园都没有shuttle,走完之后怎样回去取车是
个大问题。看起来要么找个loop(还没找到合适的,需要各位帮忙推荐),要么分成2
-3天的trail,原路返回。
WT虽然是loop但是营地满了,网站上提示,it's impossible to reserve campground
for the whole WT. 所以WT大概只能走局部,比如走2天,原路返回,去人最少、
campground相对容易拿到的地方,也请推荐一下。我耐力不错,但是负重比较弱,所以
每天10mi基本就是上限啦。
谢谢饼干桶热心共享你的地图,我现在是拿不到的啦,到了Seattle之后找你拿?不知
道你有没有时间接见呀。
去WA的决定做的很匆忙,本来是想去glacier的,发现机票太贵了,临时改了主意。没
有来得及好好做功课。我们这一两周之内又要搬家,因为房东被人举报非法出租房屋,
这两天找房子找的焦头烂额,家里
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T*********e
发帖数: 39815
31
good luck
waiting for your trip report

2
campground
8943

【在 f*********1 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢楼上各位!白菜说的对,我在纽约,还从来没去过WA,也不知道下次什么时候能再
: 去,这次能走7天我很珍惜。现在倾向去Olympic和Rainier,总量7天。
: 本来想7天走个长长的trail,但是这3个公园都没有shuttle,走完之后怎样回去取车是
: 个大问题。看起来要么找个loop(还没找到合适的,需要各位帮忙推荐),要么分成2
: -3天的trail,原路返回。
: WT虽然是loop但是营地满了,网站上提示,it's impossible to reserve campground
: for the whole WT. 所以WT大概只能走局部,比如走2天,原路返回,去人最少、
: campground相对容易拿到的地方,也请推荐一下。我耐力不错,但是负重比较弱,所以
: 每天10mi基本就是上限啦。
: 谢谢饼干桶热心共享你的地图,我现在是拿不到的啦,到了Seattle之后找你拿?不知

c*******r
发帖数: 13580
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My maps are digital. Before you leave, lemme know your destination and I can
share. You are not likely going to need topo maps though if you stay on
trail.
The following is my suggestion without any confirmation or first hand
experience: If you want to take chance, you can pop out of wonderland trail
at a popular spot and beg for a ride. Even better, get to a popular parking
lot, beg a ride to another trail head, and hike towards your car. There is a
shuttle between Longmire and Pradise (en rout

【在 f*********1 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢楼上各位!白菜说的对,我在纽约,还从来没去过WA,也不知道下次什么时候能再
: 去,这次能走7天我很珍惜。现在倾向去Olympic和Rainier,总量7天。
: 本来想7天走个长长的trail,但是这3个公园都没有shuttle,走完之后怎样回去取车是
: 个大问题。看起来要么找个loop(还没找到合适的,需要各位帮忙推荐),要么分成2
: -3天的trail,原路返回。
: WT虽然是loop但是营地满了,网站上提示,it's impossible to reserve campground
: for the whole WT. 所以WT大概只能走局部,比如走2天,原路返回,去人最少、
: campground相对容易拿到的地方,也请推荐一下。我耐力不错,但是负重比较弱,所以
: 每天10mi基本就是上限啦。
: 谢谢饼干桶热心共享你的地图,我现在是拿不到的啦,到了Seattle之后找你拿?不知

c*******r
发帖数: 13580
33
If I had a whole week off in july and august, I'd hike thru wonderland trail

【在 T*********e 的大作中提到】
: good luck
: waiting for your trip report
:
: 2
: campground
: 8943

T*********e
发帖数: 39815
34
I'll go to alaska instead, hehe

trail

【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: If I had a whole week off in july and august, I'd hike thru wonderland trail
c*******r
发帖数: 13580
35
that's why I will not have a whole week off in the summer. Wonderland is
nice, but not priority 0

【在 T*********e 的大作中提到】
: I'll go to alaska instead, hehe
:
: trail

f*********1
发帖数: 419
36
谢谢白菜和饼干。现在考虑走Skyline+northfork (they form a loop), olympic NP
, 46mi 4.5 day; then drive to rainier, take a day hike to finish our first
west coast trip.
only problem: snow on the trail... no wonder no reservation required. untill
7/11 some trails >5100ft are covered by up to 7 inches of snow!
s********e
发帖数: 814
37
only, is it for garmin device?
it might be too late, but could you please share the one cover Mt Rainier?
so far, my team only has a paper topo map + my garmin 60csx. i am leaving
for seattle early friday.

【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: I have 1:24k topo map for all 3 west coast states if you want. You don't
: really need a high resolution map though if you intend to stay on trail.

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