c***a
发帖数: 15 | 1 今年8月份进入FDA。我今年刚27岁，本科毕业，想继续拼搏下事业，读个更高的学位，
结合当地的大学，摆在我面前的有3条路，最近也很是纠结，希望论坛上有经验的朋友
帮忙出出主意，先谢谢大家了。（鞠躬）
路径1：Regulatory Affairs
MS in Biomedical Regulatory affairs, 周五周六上课，我在FDA的工作很轻松
，应付起来还是绰绰有余。想在field office把investigator 和 compliance officer
的工作熟悉了以后转到CDER去，毕竟center的经验在industry更吃香，这个学位有没
有用呢，或者我FDA的经验配合这个学位，回国发展是不是更好。在FDA撑死GS-13，工
资100K，觉得不是很满意。这个U of Washington的program是on-site授课，Johns
Hopkins有个相似的，但是网上授课，时间上更flex。我个人倾向前者，毕竟可以发展
network，也和老师有更多互动。 但是JH在DC的影响力不容小视。有人能帮忙出出主意
吗？
UW课程链接：http://www.biomedreg.uw.edu/
Johns Hopkins课程链接：http://biotechnology.jhu.edu/graduate-education/ms-in-bsra/index.html
(个人感觉，JH的课更偏重生物，但是我的background是化学）
路径2：Law School
毕业后可以做药品专利律师，或者也能继续留在FDA，不知道有一个JD对我以后去
industry发展有没有帮助，值不值得， 因为我觉得我这一辈子就混药品领域了。CDER
Office of Compliance的头都是JD。有了这个学位，等于为将来的晋升铺好路，但是毕
竟law school耗费很多精力和金钱，现在美国律师也是一大把，很多first year
associate还不如Ibanker挣得多。
路径3：MBA
这个个人都觉得不太靠谱，毕竟business的东西和我FDA做的有很大不同。FDA的
晋升很多时候有个硬性要求就是要有Phd，MBA对未来的晋升加分有限。但是不知道以后
转去industry会不会有帮助。
希望大家各抒己见，什么样的意见都会仔细考虑。先谢谢大家了。（小弟拜谢） |
c********g
发帖数: 1106 | 2 一和二看着都挺好。趁有精力赶快搞个学位吧。
officer
【在 c***a 的大作中提到】
: 今年8月份进入FDA。我今年刚27岁，本科毕业，想继续拼搏下事业，读个更高的学位，
: 结合当地的大学，摆在我面前的有3条路，最近也很是纠结，希望论坛上有经验的朋友
: 帮忙出出主意，先谢谢大家了。（鞠躬）
: 路径1：Regulatory Affairs
: MS in Biomedical Regulatory affairs, 周五周六上课，我在FDA的工作很轻松
: ，应付起来还是绰绰有余。想在field office把investigator 和 compliance officer
: 的工作熟悉了以后转到CDER去，毕竟center的经验在industry更吃香，这个学位有没
: 有用呢，或者我FDA的经验配合这个学位，回国发展是不是更好。在FDA撑死GS-13，工
: 资100K，觉得不是很满意。这个U of Washington的program是on-site授课，Johns
: Hopkins有个相似的，但是网上授课，时间上更flex。我个人倾向前者，毕竟可以发展
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M*****5
发帖数: 3990 | 3 同意，最好读博。再就是入籍。政府最讲究paperwork.
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 一和二看着都挺好。趁有精力赶快搞个学位吧。
:
: officer
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c***a
发帖数: 15 | 4 其实我已经入籍了，paper的话主要是我们research group的人在做，我们主要做药品
检测和inspection。其实我最纠结的是，选择花两年时间读个MS，然后过7-8年后再转
到industry，还是现在下很大功夫去读law school，最后出来不知道做什么，毕竟law
school要12万美金，出来还不一定有工作，我认识很多刚毕业的，很多都没工作。
【在 M*****5 的大作中提到】
: 同意，最好读博。再就是入籍。政府最讲究paperwork.
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k******n
发帖数: 133 | 5 If you plan to advance in pharm/biotech field, why don't u get a Ph.d? MS is
not much different from bs if you want to stay in the R&D sector of pharm.
While you can't make much money at FDA now, the experience is highly valued by industry in general.
law
【在 c***a 的大作中提到】
: 其实我已经入籍了，paper的话主要是我们research group的人在做，我们主要做药品
: 检测和inspection。其实我最纠结的是，选择花两年时间读个MS，然后过7-8年后再转
: 到industry，还是现在下很大功夫去读law school，最后出来不知道做什么，毕竟law
: school要12万美金，出来还不一定有工作，我认识很多刚毕业的，很多都没工作。
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c***a
发帖数: 15 | 6 Ph.D may cost me 7 to 8 years if I do it in part-time, I don't want to lose
my FDA job.
The MS is specialized in Regulatory Affairs, when I decide to go industry,
especially in big pharma's RA department, I think this MS degree should be
more valuable than the Ph.D, although I'm not sure.
anyone knows about a J.D. degree in Pharma? better job security and high pay?
is
in
【在 k******n 的大作中提到】
: If you plan to advance in pharm/biotech field, why don't u get a Ph.d? MS is
: not much different from bs if you want to stay in the R&D sector of pharm.
: While you can't make much money at FDA now, the experience is highly valued by industry in general.
:
: law
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k******n
发帖数: 133 | 7 I see. My guess is that your experience at FDA has already given you quite
significant edge over others if you want to work in RA department (maybe
others can chip in their opinions). Would a MS in RA help? Not sure.
Career path wise,IMHO, A Ph.D/MD definitely has more opportunities, even in
RA.
lose
pay?
【在 c***a 的大作中提到】
: Ph.D may cost me 7 to 8 years if I do it in part-time, I don't want to lose
: my FDA job.
: The MS is specialized in Regulatory Affairs, when I decide to go industry,
: especially in big pharma's RA department, I think this MS degree should be
: more valuable than the Ph.D, although I'm not sure.
: anyone knows about a J.D. degree in Pharma? better job security and high pay?
:
: is
: in
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g*******n
发帖数: 74 | 8 Would you mind sharing with me how you get to work at FDA? Any requirements
? Or if you look at my background and my wife's, can you tell me how much
opportunity do we have to get a position at FDA /CDER?
My wife's:
BS in pharmacy from China pharmaceutical Univ. PhD in pharmacology from
Peking Union Medical College, postdoc training in Neuroscience at Washington
University and Harvard Medical School.
Mine:
BS in pharmacy from Fudan Univ.; M.S in pharmacology from Peking Union
Medical College. Registered Pharmacist Massachusetts, Registered Patent
Agent with Chinese Patent Office.
Great thanks,
officer
【在 c***a 的大作中提到】
: 今年8月份进入FDA。我今年刚27岁，本科毕业，想继续拼搏下事业，读个更高的学位，
: 结合当地的大学，摆在我面前的有3条路，最近也很是纠结，希望论坛上有经验的朋友
: 帮忙出出主意，先谢谢大家了。（鞠躬）
: 路径1：Regulatory Affairs
: MS in Biomedical Regulatory affairs, 周五周六上课，我在FDA的工作很轻松
: ，应付起来还是绰绰有余。想在field office把investigator 和 compliance officer
: 的工作熟悉了以后转到CDER去，毕竟center的经验在industry更吃香，这个学位有没
: 有用呢，或者我FDA的经验配合这个学位，回国发展是不是更好。在FDA撑死GS-13，工
: 资100K，觉得不是很满意。这个U of Washington的program是on-site授课，Johns
: Hopkins有个相似的，但是网上授课，时间上更flex。我个人倾向前者，毕竟可以发展
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t**n
发帖数: 4365 | 9 入籍了没？
requirements
Washington
【在 g*******n 的大作中提到】
: Would you mind sharing with me how you get to work at FDA? Any requirements
: ? Or if you look at my background and my wife's, can you tell me how much
: opportunity do we have to get a position at FDA /CDER?
: My wife's:
: BS in pharmacy from China pharmaceutical Univ. PhD in pharmacology from
: Peking Union Medical College, postdoc training in Neuroscience at Washington
: University and Harvard Medical School.
: Mine:
: BS in pharmacy from Fudan Univ.; M.S in pharmacology from Peking Union
: Medical College. Registered Pharmacist Massachusetts, Registered Patent
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c***a
发帖数: 15 | 10 我本人是公民，当我在申请FDA工作的时候，USAJOBS网站明确写了只要公民。事实是，
当我进入后，确实是需要你的美国护照来确认身份的。绿卡什么的统统不行。我在这个
论坛听人说不是公民也可以，但是就我所了解的情况来说，貌似没有不是公民的。
如果是公民的话，你和你妻子的简历没有什么问题，但是要去CDER的话还是有Pharma.D
，MD或者JD更容易进。CDER几乎没有不是phd的，有上边那三个学位，至少能把你和其
他竞争者区分开。
就我个人感觉来说，我能感受到FDA对外部人员的态度不是太接受。举个例子，我刚进
入时候，很多人碰到我这个新人，问个好寒暄两句后就是"where do you transfer
from?" 潜意识里他们不认为非FDA的人可以这么easy的进入，所以认为我是从其他部门
transfer来的。
每天内部邮件都会有FDA的空闲职位，但是几乎全部大部分都只consider FDA
employees only。 只有实在招不到了，才会到网站招人。近几年FDA大部分的招人一次
是在2002年，一次是在2008年，只有这种突然性的大规模扩充，外部人员进FDA的机会
会大一些，否则就要看自己的实力是不是够硬。
至于之所以在2002年和2008年招人，很大程度是因为两部法案的通过，Bioterrorism
Act of 2002 和FDAAA of 2007。至少我的很多同事是在这两年招进来的。
其实我觉得FDA给的钱并不多呀，和那些IT公司，Ibanker，Bigpharma比差的挺远。很
多人做一辈子也就GS-13到顶了，再往上就要看你能不能politic。
requirements
Washington
【在 g*******n 的大作中提到】
: Would you mind sharing with me how you get to work at FDA? Any requirements
: ? Or if you look at my background and my wife's, can you tell me how much
: opportunity do we have to get a position at FDA /CDER?
: My wife's:
: BS in pharmacy from China pharmaceutical Univ. PhD in pharmacology from
: Peking Union Medical College, postdoc training in Neuroscience at Washington
: University and Harvard Medical School.
: Mine:
: BS in pharmacy from Fudan Univ.; M.S in pharmacology from Peking Union
: Medical College. Registered Pharmacist Massachusetts, Registered Patent
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s*******i
发帖数: 1063 | 11 these are not the key
you missed the basic requirements
requirements
Washington
【在 g*******n 的大作中提到】
: Would you mind sharing with me how you get to work at FDA? Any requirements
: ? Or if you look at my background and my wife's, can you tell me how much
: opportunity do we have to get a position at FDA /CDER?
: My wife's:
: BS in pharmacy from China pharmaceutical Univ. PhD in pharmacology from
: Peking Union Medical College, postdoc training in Neuroscience at Washington
: University and Harvard Medical School.
: Mine:
: BS in pharmacy from Fudan Univ.; M.S in pharmacology from Peking Union
: Medical College. Registered Pharmacist Massachusetts, Registered Patent
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s*******i
发帖数: 1063 | 12 well said
I think regulatory affair is the way to go, plus CDER or CBER.
If you want to come to big pharms, with your experience in CBER or CDER,
plus the MS degree, you could potentially make a lot of money. The course
itself isn't that interesting. You may consider the certificate. It is a lot
of memory stuff with some practice.
It isn't quite practical to get the experience and work in China. Chinese
system is quite different, and is not appreciated by FDA. Human data used
for FDA approval is quite limited, they are rather part of a big clinical
study, stand alone isn't quite useful.
.D
【在 c***a 的大作中提到】
: 我本人是公民，当我在申请FDA工作的时候，USAJOBS网站明确写了只要公民。事实是，
: 当我进入后，确实是需要你的美国护照来确认身份的。绿卡什么的统统不行。我在这个
: 论坛听人说不是公民也可以，但是就我所了解的情况来说，貌似没有不是公民的。
: 如果是公民的话，你和你妻子的简历没有什么问题，但是要去CDER的话还是有Pharma.D
: ，MD或者JD更容易进。CDER几乎没有不是phd的，有上边那三个学位，至少能把你和其
: 他竞争者区分开。
: 就我个人感觉来说，我能感受到FDA对外部人员的态度不是太接受。举个例子，我刚进
: 入时候，很多人碰到我这个新人，问个好寒暄两句后就是"where do you transfer
: from?" 潜意识里他们不认为非FDA的人可以这么easy的进入，所以认为我是从其他部门
: transfer来的。
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s*******i
发帖数: 1063 | 13 for law firm, try to get into a law firm first, become a paralegal or
something, then use the company resource to go to law school. But this
usually requires MS degree or higher. I personally think that going to small
law firm isn't any brighter than working in FDA.
Consulting groups could be your other option
law
【在 c***a 的大作中提到】
: 其实我已经入籍了，paper的话主要是我们research group的人在做，我们主要做药品
: 检测和inspection。其实我最纠结的是，选择花两年时间读个MS，然后过7-8年后再转
: 到industry，还是现在下很大功夫去读law school，最后出来不知道做什么，毕竟law
: school要12万美金，出来还不一定有工作，我认识很多刚毕业的，很多都没工作。
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c***a
发帖数: 15 | 14 Thanks for your kind advice. I appreciate.
for now, I won't quit my FDA job and go to law firm. ignore the top 10 law
school, I just need a law degree + my FDA experience. I will definitely give
law school a try(LSAT is not EZ), and if I failed, I just go to MS program.
small
【在 s*******i 的大作中提到】
: for law firm, try to get into a law firm first, become a paralegal or
: something, then use the company resource to go to law school. But this
: usually requires MS degree or higher. I personally think that going to small
: law firm isn't any brighter than working in FDA.
: Consulting groups could be your other option
:
: law
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s*******i
发帖数: 1063 | 15 how about consulting firms? I just think starting from first year associate
to partners, it is a long way to go. I still think you can better use your
FDA experience in somewhere else. Also, try to stay within the "system" and
climb up.
give
program.
【在 c***a 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for your kind advice. I appreciate.
: for now, I won't quit my FDA job and go to law firm. ignore the top 10 law
: school, I just need a law degree + my FDA experience. I will definitely give
: law school a try(LSAT is not EZ), and if I failed, I just go to MS program.
:
: small
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c***a
发帖数: 15 | 16 I want to have enough experience before I can transfer to CDER, but if you
look at CDER top managers profiles, you find out most of them are MDs and
JDs. a master degree is nothing to knock manager's door.
consulting firm is a good choice, and I know many FDA former employees
joined consulting firm after retirment.
associate
and
【在 s*******i 的大作中提到】
: how about consulting firms? I just think starting from first year associate
: to partners, it is a long way to go. I still think you can better use your
: FDA experience in somewhere else. Also, try to stay within the "system" and
: climb up.
:
: give
: program.
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s*******i
发帖数: 1063 | 17 well, only a few can go to top management. And did you check their social
background? If you haven't had a MD or JD by now, and you are in FDA already
, it may not worth it. Unless you are sure you can come back after you get
MD or JD degree. But you don't have to, you have this great advantage
already.
I think you should ask yourself, do you want money? or title? You don't have
to go through exactly the same way as the top managers did. Nevertheless,
successful ppl all have different ways to succeed, plain ppl all have same
plain lives.
【在 c***a 的大作中提到】
: I want to have enough experience before I can transfer to CDER, but if you
: look at CDER top managers profiles, you find out most of them are MDs and
: JDs. a master degree is nothing to knock manager's door.
: consulting firm is a good choice, and I know many FDA former employees
: joined consulting firm after retirment.
:
: associate
: and
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