m********t
发帖数: 121 | 1 几年前我是一个笃信星座的人，跟陌生人见面，头两句话里就会问：你是什么星座的？
找男朋友也是非水相星座的不考虑。直到有一天接触Forer Effect (Barnum Effect)，
才重新审视我信奉了颇久的星相。以下是转自wiki的内容：
Forer's demonstration
In 1948, psychologist Bertram R. Forer gave a personality test to his
students, and then gave them a personality analysis supposedly based on the
test's results. He invited each of them to rate the analysis on a scale of 0
(very poor) to 5 (excellent) as it applied to themselves: the average was 4
.26. He then revealed that each student had been given the |
r******s
发帖数: 2155 | 2 should forward this to love and family.
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【在 m********t 的大作中提到】
: 几年前我是一个笃信星座的人，跟陌生人见面，头两句话里就会问：你是什么星座的？
: 找男朋友也是非水相星座的不考虑。直到有一天接触Forer Effect (Barnum Effect)，
: 才重新审视我信奉了颇久的星相。以下是转自wiki的内容：
: Forer's demonstration
: In 1948, psychologist Bertram R. Forer gave a personality test to his
: students, and then gave them a personality analysis supposedly based on the
: test's results. He invited each of them to rate the analysis on a scale of 0
: (very poor) to 5 (excellent) as it applied to themselves: the average was 4
: .26. He then revealed that each student had been given the
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m********t
发帖数: 121 | 3 这种事情，勉强不得的。我以前相信星座的时候，查速配指数，从别人的星座判断别人
的性格，也蛮开心的：）
【在 r******s 的大作中提到】
: should forward this to love and family.
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r******s
发帖数: 2155 | 4 educating the publis is a good thing and doesnot equal mian qiang bie ren.
【在 m********t 的大作中提到】
: 这种事情，勉强不得的。我以前相信星座的时候，查速配指数，从别人的星座判断别人
: 的性格，也蛮开心的：）
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m********t
发帖数: 121 | 5 可能我怕一不小心成为愤青吧。我最想做的事情其实是让我的一个生物出身的朋友不要
相信亚当比夏娃少一根肋骨。
【在 r******s 的大作中提到】
: educating the publis is a good thing and doesnot equal mian qiang bie ren.
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z****k
发帖数: 1057 | 6 考虑Pygmalion effect的话，或许还是会有点意义的
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【在 m********t 的大作中提到】
: 几年前我是一个笃信星座的人，跟陌生人见面，头两句话里就会问：你是什么星座的？
: 找男朋友也是非水相星座的不考虑。直到有一天接触Forer Effect (Barnum Effect)，
: 才重新审视我信奉了颇久的星相。以下是转自wiki的内容：
: Forer's demonstration
: In 1948, psychologist Bertram R. Forer gave a personality test to his
: students, and then gave them a personality analysis supposedly based on the
: test's results. He invited each of them to rate the analysis on a scale of 0
: (very poor) to 5 (excellent) as it applied to themselves: the average was 4
: .26. He then revealed that each student had been given the
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m********t
发帖数: 121 | 7 Good point!
【在 z****k 的大作中提到】
: 考虑Pygmalion effect的话，或许还是会有点意义的
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r******s
发帖数: 2155 | 8 don't respond. then you'll be fine.
I think it's a very good article.
Can't reason with religious people, that's for sure.
【在 m********t 的大作中提到】
: 可能我怕一不小心成为愤青吧。我最想做的事情其实是让我的一个生物出身的朋友不要
: 相信亚当比夏娃少一根肋骨。
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r******s
发帖数: 2155 | 9 can u be more specific?
【在 z****k 的大作中提到】
: 考虑Pygmalion effect的话，或许还是会有点意义的
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: the
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s*****t
发帖数: 9 | 10 what's wrong with astrology? why cant modern humans have some entertainment
in peace? astrology is just like religion, its own purpose and position in
society have long ago been transposed beyond what narrow-minded tunnel-
visioned science-crammed self-righteous modern humans can possibly imagine.
the
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【在 m********t 的大作中提到】
: 几年前我是一个笃信星座的人，跟陌生人见面，头两句话里就会问：你是什么星座的？
: 找男朋友也是非水相星座的不考虑。直到有一天接触Forer Effect (Barnum Effect)，
: 才重新审视我信奉了颇久的星相。以下是转自wiki的内容：
: Forer's demonstration
: In 1948, psychologist Bertram R. Forer gave a personality test to his
: students, and then gave them a personality analysis supposedly based on the
: test's results. He invited each of them to rate the analysis on a scale of 0
: (very poor) to 5 (excellent) as it applied to themselves: the average was 4
: .26. He then revealed that each student had been given the
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r******s
发帖数: 2155 | 11 What's wrong with astrology is that it is wrong.
entertainment
well, apparently only those self-deceiving narrow-minded visionless
common-senseless i-am-ignorant-but-i-am-happy people can appreciate.
【在 s*****t 的大作中提到】
: what's wrong with astrology? why cant modern humans have some entertainment
: in peace? astrology is just like religion, its own purpose and position in
: society have long ago been transposed beyond what narrow-minded tunnel-
: visioned science-crammed self-righteous modern humans can possibly imagine.
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k**m
发帖数: 222 | 12 Far less accurate than Chinese Ba Zi as far as I know.
Some people just worship anything from western world while abandoning own
valuable legacy.
the
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【在 m********t 的大作中提到】
: 几年前我是一个笃信星座的人，跟陌生人见面，头两句话里就会问：你是什么星座的？
: 找男朋友也是非水相星座的不考虑。直到有一天接触Forer Effect (Barnum Effect)，
: 才重新审视我信奉了颇久的星相。以下是转自wiki的内容：
: Forer's demonstration
: In 1948, psychologist Bertram R. Forer gave a personality test to his
: students, and then gave them a personality analysis supposedly based on the
: test's results. He invited each of them to rate the analysis on a scale of 0
: (very poor) to 5 (excellent) as it applied to themselves: the average was 4
: .26. He then revealed that each student had been given the
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r******s
发帖数: 2155 | 13
What do you know? Care to share?
【在 k**m 的大作中提到】
: Far less accurate than Chinese Ba Zi as far as I know.
: Some people just worship anything from western world while abandoning own
: valuable legacy.
:
: the
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m********t
发帖数: 121 | 14 You know what, an ironic thing occurred to me is that the more I learn about
counseling psychology which is supposed to facilitate people's change,the
more I am aware that people are very resistant to change.
【在 r******s 的大作中提到】
: What's wrong with astrology is that it is wrong.
:
: entertainment
: well, apparently only those self-deceiving narrow-minded visionless
: common-senseless i-am-ignorant-but-i-am-happy people can appreciate.
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y******g
发帖数: 317 | 15 hehe,看星座的东西就像算命一样，看自己的星座确实有点像，但是看其他人的星座也
是差不多。不过，因为越来越多的人注意把自己的性格和星座相关起来，星座的对性格
的作用力就越来越大了，就好像在某种程度上变成了行为准则，人们都会不自觉地强化
自己喜欢的和自己星座符合的性格特点。
the
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【在 m********t 的大作中提到】
: 几年前我是一个笃信星座的人，跟陌生人见面，头两句话里就会问：你是什么星座的？
: 找男朋友也是非水相星座的不考虑。直到有一天接触Forer Effect (Barnum Effect)，
: 才重新审视我信奉了颇久的星相。以下是转自wiki的内容：
: Forer's demonstration
: In 1948, psychologist Bertram R. Forer gave a personality test to his
: students, and then gave them a personality analysis supposedly based on the
: test's results. He invited each of them to rate the analysis on a scale of 0
: (very poor) to 5 (excellent) as it applied to themselves: the average was 4
: .26. He then revealed that each student had been given the
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k**m
发帖数: 222 | 16 I had an Internet friend studying Ba Zi. He often surprised me by his
accurate comments using Ba Zi.
This world is not purely material-based. There are some other factors
working, like space and time. For example, physics already proves the
connection of space and time, energy and materials.
My basic argument is that: the time of birth does contains some information.
Ba zi is so far the most systematic way to dig them out, but not yet
recognized scientifically.
【在 r******s 的大作中提到】
:
: What do you know? Care to share?
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r******s
发帖数: 2155 | 17 Very true.
Influencing people is very difficult. You might wantt o start with
Robert Cialdini's work if interested.
about
【在 m********t 的大作中提到】
: You know what, an ironic thing occurred to me is that the more I learn about
: counseling psychology which is supposed to facilitate people's change,the
: more I am aware that people are very resistant to change.
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r******s
发帖数: 2155 | 18 this only happens if you choose to be influenced and be reminded of it
constantly.
【在 y******g 的大作中提到】
: hehe,看星座的东西就像算命一样，看自己的星座确实有点像，但是看其他人的星座也
: 是差不多。不过，因为越来越多的人注意把自己的性格和星座相关起来，星座的对性格
: 的作用力就越来越大了，就好像在某种程度上变成了行为准则，人们都会不自觉地强化
: 自己喜欢的和自己星座符合的性格特点。
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r******s
发帖数: 2155 | 19 I seriously doubt one case has enuf validity, let alone 'often' is
not good enuf. Random comments can be right from time to time,
but doesn't mean it has the power to predict.
这种东西的第一条要求是：信则灵。
因为你先入为主认为有道理，自然会去寻找支持的证据。
remember, whatever claim stands 50% chance to be correct.
I had an Internet friend studying Ba Zi. He often surprised me by his
accurate comments using Ba Zi.
This world is not purely material-based. There are some other factors
working, like space and time. For example, physics
【在 k**m 的大作中提到】
: I had an Internet friend studying Ba Zi. He often surprised me by his
: accurate comments using Ba Zi.
: This world is not purely material-based. There are some other factors
: working, like space and time. For example, physics already proves the
: connection of space and time, energy and materials.
: My basic argument is that: the time of birth does contains some information.
: Ba zi is so far the most systematic way to dig them out, but not yet
: recognized scientifically.
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y******g
发帖数: 317 | 20 有的影响是潜移默化的了。不一定是你不choose就不受影响哦。
【在 r******s 的大作中提到】
: this only happens if you choose to be influenced and be reminded of it
: constantly.
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r******s
发帖数: 2155 | 21 嗯，从小我妈就叫我不要和女生辩论。^_^
【在 y******g 的大作中提到】
: 有的影响是潜移默化的了。不一定是你不choose就不受影响哦。
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y******g
发帖数: 317 | 22 。。。。。。
好像欧也没有很强词夺理吧。。。。。
【在 r******s 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，从小我妈就叫我不要和女生辩论。^_^
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r******s
发帖数: 2155 | 23 ^_^
【在 y******g 的大作中提到】
: 。。。。。。
: 好像欧也没有很强词夺理吧。。。。。
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t*******n
发帖数: 4445 | 24 觉得这是一个对占星学理解的问题。
12个星座就能决定人生的复杂问题么，肯定不能。天宫图也不是万能的。同时间同地点
出生的人，长在不同环境中，能一样么？但用占星手段，结合个人历史和现状进行
counselling，explore personal potential，是有潜力的。
卡尔容格作过一些占星和archetype关系的研究，后来Rudhyar就此进一步发展出来
Humanistic Astrology，参见：
http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/
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【在 m********t 的大作中提到】
: 几年前我是一个笃信星座的人，跟陌生人见面，头两句话里就会问：你是什么星座的？
: 找男朋友也是非水相星座的不考虑。直到有一天接触Forer Effect (Barnum Effect)，
: 才重新审视我信奉了颇久的星相。以下是转自wiki的内容：
: Forer's demonstration
: In 1948, psychologist Bertram R. Forer gave a personality test to his
: students, and then gave them a personality analysis supposedly based on the
: test's results. He invited each of them to rate the analysis on a scale of 0
: (very poor) to 5 (excellent) as it applied to themselves: the average was 4
: .26. He then revealed that each student had been given the
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t*******g
发帖数: 1301 | 25 生物出身，还会相信 这种事情，
不想做 科学的
【在 m********t 的大作中提到】
: 可能我怕一不小心成为愤青吧。我最想做的事情其实是让我的一个生物出身的朋友不要
: 相信亚当比夏娃少一根肋骨。
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t*******g
发帖数: 1301 | 26 你是 男生。。。。。
呵呵
【在 r******s 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，从小我妈就叫我不要和女生辩论。^_^
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m********t
发帖数: 121 | 27 是啊，后来转学神学了，也算是转的其所。
【在 t*******g 的大作中提到】
: 生物出身，还会相信 这种事情，
: 不想做 科学的
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