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D**S
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从The Atlantic看到一篇分析俄罗斯为什么如此恐同的文章:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/06/why-is
Why Is Russia So Homophobic?
Communist-era justifications for bigotry don't make sense anymore. What's
behind lawmakers' opposition to gays?
A man attacks a gay rights activist during a gay pride parade in St.
Petersburg on June 25, 2011. (Reuters)
The Russian Duma unanimously approved a law on Tuesday that prohibits the
distribution of homosexual "propaganda" to minors. Holding gay pride events,
speaking in defense of gay rights, or equating gay and heterosexual
relationships can now result in fines of up to $31,000.
Before the vote, gay rights activists who attempted to hold a "kiss-in"
outside the Duma were pelted with eggs by Orthodox Christian and pro-Kremlin
activists. Anti-gay protesters also gathered, with one holding a sign that
read: "Lawmakers, protect the people from perverts!"
The argument that a young person can be "propagandized" into turning gay may
seem outdated (not to mention an overestimation of the power of propaganda)
, but it's actually not out of place in modern Russia.
"Children maimed by pedophiles jump out of windows, they take their own
lives. Pedophilia is an attempt on a child's life!" cried one St. Petersburg
lawmaker when a similar ban in that city passed last year, seemingly
confusing homosexuality and child molestation. Madonna was recently sued for
speaking in favor of gay rights during a St. Petersburg concert. When a 23-
year-old man in Volgograd revealed he was gay to some drinking companions
last month, they beat him, shoved beer bottles in his anus, and crushed his
head with a stone.
In the Soviet Union, homosexuality was a crime punishable by prison and hard
labor, and Stalinist anti-gay policies persisted throughout the 60s and 70s
. Gays were considered "outsiders," and homosexuality was thought to be the
domain of pedophiles and fascists.
Measures like the propaganda ban show that many Russians still haven't shed
that view, even decades after the fall of the regime that kept homophobia in
place.
"When the Stalin anti-homosexual law was repealed in 1993, there was no
amnesty for those still sitting in prison for sodomy," wrote history
professor Dan Healey, an expert on homosexuality in Russia, on Facebook.
Since the 90s, Russians have faced incredible economic turmoil, a loss of
public services in many areas, and widespread corruption -- all factors that
combine to reinforce negative stereotypes.
"To the degree that a given society that is insecure about its political,
social, economic, and uniting cultural identity, it will mask that
insecurity with a swaggering show of gendered strength," said Yvonne Howell,
a Russian professor at the University of Richmond.
Only 16 percent of Russians today say homosexuality should be accepted by
society, compared with 42 percent in nearby (and also formerly communist)
Poland.
Interestingly, Russians buck a major trend in modern homophobia: more
religious countries are far more likely to be less accepting of
homosexuality. But Russia and China seem to reject both God and gays. Russia
ranks as one of the least devout countries on earth, with only 33 percent
of Russians saying religion was very important in their daily life in 2009:
But even though Russians aren't churchgoers in the traditional sense, most
are still incredibly supportive of the Orthodox Church, which wields power
both politically, as an ally of the Putin government, and as a symbol of
national pride in much of the population.
Indeed, many Russians today view Church affiliation as a way to reaffirm
their "Russianness," as Masha Lipman, the chair of the Carnegie Moscow
Center's Society and Regions Program, told me via email. Roughly 80 to 90
percent of Russians identify as Orthodox Christians, but almost none attend
services even monthly. Instead, in a 2007 (Russian) poll on the subject, the
majority of respondents said religion for them was a "national tradition"
and "an adherence to moral and ethical standards," while only 16 percent
said it was about personal salvation.
The Church's head, Patriarch Kirill, has been outspoken against "social ills
" like alternative sexual orientations.
"The church has very strong anti-gay rhetoric, its getting stronger and
stronger all the time," one St. Petersburg gay activist told PRI. "Five
years ago, they would ignore the issue and now they say homosexuality is a
sin."
It's no coincidence that the punk band Pussy Riot was sent to jail for
performing in an Orthodox church, specifically. Kirill and other Church
elders have also served as occasional Putin campaigners, issuing bizarre
declarations that mash together Christianity and the longevity of United
Russia. Kirill has said that "liberalism will lead to legal collapse and
then the Apocalypse" and referred to Putin's presidency as "a miracle."
Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov warned once that "one needs to remember that the
first revolutionary was Satan."
Putin's government seems to cling to the age-old Russian/Soviet idea that
rulers should set the country's moral agenda. And Russian lawmakers are more
than happy to marshal the Church's support, as well as the public's
entrenched intolerance, to rally the country's conservatives. To Elizabeth
Wood, a professor of history at MIT, the propaganda ban shows that, "Putin
and his cronies are circling the wagons, creating a climate of us versus
them."
Wood went on to say in an email:
While there is plenty of homophobia in Russia, I think the Soviet state
continued the Tsarist Orthodox state's direction of being a moral and
tutelary state -- the continuity of state influence over moral choices never
died away. Hence it is relatively easy for the post-Soviet state to return
to Soviet-style regulation. And since the Soviet state and now, even more,
the Russian state is built on oppositions of us versus them, it is easy for
the authorities to say "we" are x, not y. Homosexuality makes an easy "y,"
alas.
In some countries, such a law might seem like a sign of religious influence
run amok. But in Russia, it's part of a broader anti-opposition push and a
crackdown on a wide array of civil liberties.
"Homophobia more often than not ... derives not from one's faith, but from
being essentially anti-liberal," Lipman said. "Russia is an illiberal
country, and Putin's government capitalizes on illiberal sentiments,
especially during the past year -- after the Kremlin faced mass protests of
the liberal minority."
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用Google翻译了一下,没耐心看原文的将就看一下吧:
共产主义时代的偏执的理由没有任何意义了。什么背后立法者的反对同性恋者?
2011年6月25日圣彼得堡一个人攻击同性恋权利活动家在一个同性恋骄傲游行。 (路透
社)
俄罗斯国家杜马一致在周二批准了一项法律,禁止同性恋“宣传”未成年人分布。举办
​​同性恋骄傲活动,在同性恋权利辩护发言,或等同同性恋和异性恋
关系现在可以导致的罚款高达31000美元。
表决前,同性恋权利活动家试图举行“吻”东正教和亲克里姆林宫的杜马外投掷鸡蛋活
动家。反同性恋的示威者云集,一个拿着一个标志,阅读:“立法者,保护人们不受变
态!”
一个年轻的人可以变成同性恋可能是“宣传了”的说法,看似过时(更不用提高估宣传
的力量),但实际上它是不出来的地方在现代俄罗斯。
“致残儿童的恋童癖者跳出窗户,他们拿自己的生活。恋童癖是企图对孩子的生命!“
哭圣彼得堡立法者在该城市去年通过了类似的禁令,看似混乱的同性恋和猥亵儿童罪。
麦当娜最近被起诉圣彼得堡的演唱会期间发言赞成同性恋权利。当了23 -岁的男子透露
,他在伏尔加格勒一些饮酒的同伴是同性恋上个月,他们击败了他,猛的啤酒瓶在他的
肛门,并击碎了他的用石头的头。
在苏联,同性恋是一种犯罪处以监狱和硬劳动,坚持整个60年代和70年代的斯大林主义
的反同性恋政策。同性恋被认为是“外人”,同性恋被认为是恋童癖者和法西斯域。
宣传禁令等措施表明,许多俄罗斯人仍然未曾流来看,甚至几十年的政权倒台后,保持
同性恋恐惧症的地方。
“当斯大林在1993年废除反同性恋法,有没有对于那些依然坐在监狱因鸡奸罪的特赦,
“写历史教授丹·希利,在俄罗斯,在Facebook上同性恋的专家。
90年代以来,俄罗斯都面临着令人难以置信的经济动荡中,亏损在许多领域,公共服务
和普遍的腐败现象 - 这些因素都相结合,强化消极成见。
“在某种程度上,一个特定的社会是不安全的关于其政治,社会,经济和团结的文化认
同,它将掩盖,大摇大摆的性别强度显示不安全,“伊冯娜 - 霍威尔说,一个俄罗斯
在里士满大学教授。
今天只有16%的俄罗斯人说同性恋应该被接受的社会相比,有42%附近(和前共产主义
)波兰。
有趣的是,俄罗斯逆势现代同性恋恐惧症的一大趋势:宗教国家都远远更容易被接受的
更少同性恋。但是俄罗斯和中国似乎拒绝神和同性恋者。俄国作为地球上至少虔诚的国
家之一,只有33%的行列俄国人说宗教是在2009年在他们的日常生活中非常重要的:
但是,即使俄罗斯人并不在传统意义上的教友,最仍然是令人难以置信的支持,掌握大
权的东正教教堂无论从政治上,普京政府的盟友,而且作为一个符号
人口多的民族自豪感。
事实上,许多俄罗斯人今日观点所属的教会作为一种方式来重申他们的“俄罗斯属性,
”玛莎利普曼,卡内基莫斯科椅子中心的社会和地区计划,通过电子邮件告诉我。大约
80%至90%的俄罗斯人确定为东正教徒,但几乎没有出席服务,即使每月。相反,在
2007年的(俄罗斯)的主题投票,大部分的受访者表示对他们的宗教是一个“民族传统
”和“遵守道德和伦理标准”,而只有16%说,这是关于个人的救赎。
教会的头,主教基里尔,一直反对“社会弊病直言不讳“像替代性取向。
“教会有很强的反同性恋言论,其越来越强大,更强的时候,“一个圣彼得堡的同性恋
活动家告诉PRI。”五年前,他们会忽视这个问题,现在他们说同性恋是一个罪“。
这并非巧合,朋克乐队猫暴动被判入狱在东正教教堂表演,特别。基里尔和其他教会长
辈们也偶尔普京活动家,曾担任发行离奇声明混搭在一起基督教和美国的长寿俄罗斯。
基里尔说:“自由主义会导致法律的崩溃和启示“,并称为”普京总统是一个奇迹。“
大祭司德米特里·斯米尔诺夫曾经警告说:“人们需要记住,第一次国内革命是撒旦。“
普京政府似乎固守古老的苏联/俄罗斯的想法,统治者应该设置该国的道德议。和俄罗
斯立法者更多比快乐元帅教会的支持,以及市民的根深蒂固的不宽容,团结国家的保守
派。伊丽莎白在麻省理工学院的历史学教授,木材,宣传禁令表明,“普京和他的亲信
都盘旋的货车,创造我们的气候与他们。“伍德去在一封电子邮件中说:
虽然在俄罗斯有大量的同性恋恐惧症,我认为苏联国家继续沙皇东正教国家的发
展方向是一个道德和守护神状态 - 国家影响力的道德选择,从来没有连续性渐渐远去
。因此,它是相对容易的,苏联解体后的状态返回到苏联式调节。自苏联的状态和现在
,甚至更多,俄罗斯国家是建立在我们与他们的对立,很容易当局说“我们”,不是&#
376;。同性恋做一个简单的“Y”唉。
在一些国家,这样的法律可能看起来像宗教影响的标志横行。但是在俄罗斯,这是一个
更广泛的反反对派推的一部分和广泛的公民自由的镇压。
“同性恋恐惧症往往不是...不是源于一个人的信仰,但是从基本上是反自由主义的,
“利普曼说,”俄罗斯是一个狭隘的国家,普京政府利用狭隘的情绪,
特别是在过去的一年 - 在克里姆林宫面临大规模抗议活动自由主义的少数。“
D**S
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看起来俄罗斯民众试图通过对LGBT人士的迫害来强化他们对传统俄罗斯社会的认同,在
这里,东正教会起到了一个催化剂的作用,即便大多数俄罗斯人并不定期礼拜.
X*******H
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早知道有DSJS的总结,就不费劲读原文了。
我认识的Russian都很nice的样子啊,只不知道知道我是les了会不会有不同。。。。。。
以后肯定不敢去Russian旅游就是了,绝不无给它贡献GDP
A*******t
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http://blog.sciencenet.cn/blog-176-407444.html
苏联著名的数学家Kolmogorov就是gay,他bf是一个拓扑学家。
Kolmogorov的实分析的书写得很精练。

。。

【在 X*******H 的大作中提到】
: 早知道有DSJS的总结,就不费劲读原文了。
: 我认识的Russian都很nice的样子啊,只不知道知道我是les了会不会有不同。。。。。。
: 以后肯定不敢去Russian旅游就是了,绝不无给它贡献GDP

R****y
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专制多年,没有民主土壤的俄罗斯,强行推行休克疗法,社会动荡、政治腐败、民不聊
生。看看91年以来俄罗斯的人口增长率,全是负值,只因普通民众的生活成本高企,根
本生不起也不敢生孩子。乱世下出了个一个强权铁血的普京帝,于是又走回强权专制的
老路,可悲的是这一套在广大愚民中吃得很开。
这几年趁着国际油价持续高位,普京帝政府靠着卖油气卖资源确实虚增了GDP,但因为
没实业的支撑,并没有给老百姓的生活带来多少实质性的改善。柿子都挑软的捏,政府
为了转移国内矛盾必然拿最好欺负的同志人群开刀,教会也乐得跳梁小丑似的摇旗呐喊
,暴民们更是找到了长久以来积怨愤懑的发泄口。这与钓鱼岛事件,扛着爱国大旗,打
砸抢日系商家的暴民们何等相似?!只是土共为了维稳还会适时收手惩戒元凶,普京帝
政府却是立变本加厉,无耻下作的动用国家机器行政立法去侵害同志的正当权益。

【在 D**S 的大作中提到】
: 看起来俄罗斯民众试图通过对LGBT人士的迫害来强化他们对传统俄罗斯社会的认同,在
: 这里,东正教会起到了一个催化剂的作用,即便大多数俄罗斯人并不定期礼拜.

m******1
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现在俄罗斯并不是民主,还是个专制国家

【在 R****y 的大作中提到】
: 专制多年,没有民主土壤的俄罗斯,强行推行休克疗法,社会动荡、政治腐败、民不聊
: 生。看看91年以来俄罗斯的人口增长率,全是负值,只因普通民众的生活成本高企,根
: 本生不起也不敢生孩子。乱世下出了个一个强权铁血的普京帝,于是又走回强权专制的
: 老路,可悲的是这一套在广大愚民中吃得很开。
: 这几年趁着国际油价持续高位,普京帝政府靠着卖油气卖资源确实虚增了GDP,但因为
: 没实业的支撑,并没有给老百姓的生活带来多少实质性的改善。柿子都挑软的捏,政府
: 为了转移国内矛盾必然拿最好欺负的同志人群开刀,教会也乐得跳梁小丑似的摇旗呐喊
: ,暴民们更是找到了长久以来积怨愤懑的发泄口。这与钓鱼岛事件,扛着爱国大旗,打
: 砸抢日系商家的暴民们何等相似?!只是土共为了维稳还会适时收手惩戒元凶,普京帝
: 政府却是立变本加厉,无耻下作的动用国家机器行政立法去侵害同志的正当权益。

R****y
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俄罗斯怎么不民主啊?民众有言论、出版、集会、组党和结社的自由,总统和议员们都
是正经普选出来的。普京帝三次当选总统的得票率分别为53%、71%、63.6%,其中第三
次由他一手导演的修宪延长总统任期扩大总统权限的情况下还是得到了超过6成的选票
。民智未开百姓愚蠢也是无脑短视的民主,并不能说人不民主啊。

【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 现在俄罗斯并不是民主,还是个专制国家
X*******H
发帖数: 720
9
话说曾经问过两个russian对休克疗法的看法,一个深恶痛绝,一个觉得现在俄罗斯进
步得还挺好,两人也不吵,只是以后再没见过他们俩说话

【在 R****y 的大作中提到】
: 专制多年,没有民主土壤的俄罗斯,强行推行休克疗法,社会动荡、政治腐败、民不聊
: 生。看看91年以来俄罗斯的人口增长率,全是负值,只因普通民众的生活成本高企,根
: 本生不起也不敢生孩子。乱世下出了个一个强权铁血的普京帝,于是又走回强权专制的
: 老路,可悲的是这一套在广大愚民中吃得很开。
: 这几年趁着国际油价持续高位,普京帝政府靠着卖油气卖资源确实虚增了GDP,但因为
: 没实业的支撑,并没有给老百姓的生活带来多少实质性的改善。柿子都挑软的捏,政府
: 为了转移国内矛盾必然拿最好欺负的同志人群开刀,教会也乐得跳梁小丑似的摇旗呐喊
: ,暴民们更是找到了长久以来积怨愤懑的发泄口。这与钓鱼岛事件,扛着爱国大旗,打
: 砸抢日系商家的暴民们何等相似?!只是土共为了维稳还会适时收手惩戒元凶,普京帝
: 政府却是立变本加厉,无耻下作的动用国家机器行政立法去侵害同志的正当权益。

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