s*****8
发帖数: 55 | 1 如果我有一把拍子，力量比较小，控制比较好，我可以通过穿线来增加力量（选用
power大的线，穿低磅等等）
如果我有另一把拍子，力量很大，但相比较，控制稍差，我也可以通过穿线来增加控制
（高磅，选择control feel好的线）
这两种方法等价吗？ |
d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 2 我不是器材派，不过你这个问题我真是一点clue也没有。
听上去好像是这么回事，但是好像又觉得哪里不对。
我也搬个板凳来学习。 |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 3 The 经验公式 is 70% racket, 30% string. To me the #1 choice is to modify
the racket itself.
To add power, add weight to racket head.
To reduce power, add weight to handle bottom.
【在 s*****8 的大作中提到】
: 如果我有一把拍子，力量比较小，控制比较好，我可以通过穿线来增加力量（选用
: power大的线，穿低磅等等）
: 如果我有另一把拍子，力量很大，但相比较，控制稍差，我也可以通过穿线来增加控制
: （高磅，选择control feel好的线）
: 这两种方法等价吗？
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a****n
发帖数: 4734 | 4 能某种程度的调节，就是说这个调节是有限度。超过这个限度就没办法了。而且即使调
节出来，力量和控制差不多，用起来，还是有很多不同。 |
d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 5 你的意思是balance是control和power最关键的参数
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: The 经验公式 is 70% racket, 30% string. To me the #1 choice is to modify
: the racket itself.
: To add power, add weight to racket head.
: To reduce power, add weight to handle bottom.
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h*******s
发帖数: 8454 | 6 nod啊，你用110的拍子，搞啥线还是power大吧
至于ps85，穿几十磅都差不多
好像tw论坛上有测试的说20磅也能work
不知道是不是最后大家就用手拉线算了～
【在 a****n 的大作中提到】
: 能某种程度的调节，就是说这个调节是有限度。超过这个限度就没办法了。而且即使调
: 节出来，力量和控制差不多，用起来，还是有很多不同。
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a***8
发帖数: 2433 | 7 It really depends on what kind of control you want and what kind of power
you can generate.
There are three factors affect control:
1. the dwell time - how long the ball stay contacting the string bed. the
longer the better for those hit flat or simply ding the ball back.
2. the deformation of the string bed. this factor matters when the ball is
hit off centered so it bounces unevenly. the smaller the racquet head, the
better control.
3. the spin you can generate - modern tennis rely heavily on this kind of
control, larger racquet head, thinner beam width, thinner gauge string, open
string pattern all helps generate spin therefore better control.
Now let's talk about power.
1. heavier racquet has more power - no matter head heavy or head light. the
difference is head light racquet can have faster head speed, therefore more
spin potential. add mass to racquet normally result in swinged at lower
speed by the same player which reduce the spin potential.
2. more elastic string gives more power - there's a miss concept about
string power. scientific study shows all kind of strings has about the same
energy restall rate - about 97% no matter it's poly or natural gut.
surprised? read on then. the difference is made by the ball. when a ball
deformed, it can only give back about 70% of the energy it absorbed. during
a hitting impact, depends on how much energy is absorbed by string and how
much by the ball, you feel different power. a more elastic string will
deform more and store more energy with the ball deform less, when the string
pushes back the ball, it gives back about 97% of the energy is had and you
feel the string is more powerful. now the other side of the story is, the
more elastic string
give long dwell time but suffers on off centered bounce and gives less ball
bite for spin generation.
So, it really depends on what your play style and level is at. think over
all the factors and decide what you want the most. |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 8 No, 关键参数是拍面大小, beam width, stiffness. 可惜的是这三样你一样也改
不了。
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: 你的意思是balance是control和power最关键的参数
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s*****8
发帖数: 55 | 9 我现在用的是microgel radical midplus (从lm radical midplus升级来的）
觉得power太小了（stiffness 57, lm radical midplus:64，lm的power感觉正好）
但是很喜欢这个拍子的所有其他方面，打同水平的选手很爽，但是遇到比自己水平高的
暴力男，容易被overpower.不知道是不是通过穿线就可以解决
不过我本来就穿线磅数就不高(syn gut 57lb)，想试试穿poly降到53lb?
器材派帮主有啥建议？
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: No, 关键参数是拍面大小, beam width, stiffness. 可惜的是这三样你一样也改
: 不了。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 10 Add lead weight at 12 o'clock. Poly at 53 lbs seems ok.
【在 s*****8 的大作中提到】
: 我现在用的是microgel radical midplus (从lm radical midplus升级来的）
: 觉得power太小了（stiffness 57, lm radical midplus:64，lm的power感觉正好）
: 但是很喜欢这个拍子的所有其他方面，打同水平的选手很爽，但是遇到比自己水平高的
: 暴力男，容易被overpower.不知道是不是通过穿线就可以解决
: 不过我本来就穿线磅数就不高(syn gut 57lb)，想试试穿poly降到53lb?
: 器材派帮主有啥建议？
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s*****8
发帖数: 55 | 11 Great thoughts!
我原来用lm raidcal
(stiffness 65 4pt-head light swingweight 325 11.2oz)
现在用microgel radical
(stiffness 57 2pt-head light swingweight 315 11oz)
我用下来的感受
control-dwell time: depends on string imo? i use same string, so i feel the
same
control- when hit off center: no idea..
control-spin microgel>lm
control -方向and深度 microgel>lm
power: lm>microgel
volley: microgel>lm (though lm is more head-light)
does it make sense?
对于现在拍子的不满是，正常Rally的时候，每个球都要动作很充分，不然容易出浅球
，所以对同水平的时候power不是大问题，有足够时间做完动作。
对于比自己水平高的人，击球动作时间可能就少那么0.0x秒，但感觉击球的力量不够，
（用别人的拍子明显敢打power大很多，没有力量不够的感觉，所以这里假设排除技术
问题）
因为正常击球要打深就要用到》60%的pace
另外当用到90-100% pace想击出winner时，感觉球速不够
但总体对于拍子的很满意（除了power)
这样的情况是否可以通过穿线来缓解？还是说不能达到，得换拍？
open
【在 a***8 的大作中提到】
: It really depends on what kind of control you want and what kind of power
: you can generate.
: There are three factors affect control:
: 1. the dwell time - how long the ball stay contacting the string bed. the
: longer the better for those hit flat or simply ding the ball back.
: 2. the deformation of the string bed. this factor matters when the ball is
: hit off centered so it bounces unevenly. the smaller the racquet head, the
: better control.
: 3. the spin you can generate - modern tennis rely heavily on this kind of
: control, larger racquet head, thinner beam width, thinner gauge string, open
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s*****8
发帖数: 55 | 12 不想损失网前的操控性
试试poly at 53lbs
maybe small power is also because syn gut掉磅太快
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Add lead weight at 12 o'clock. Poly at 53 lbs seems ok.
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h*******s
发帖数: 8454 | 13 你这个要是上poly可以再稍微低点儿吧
感觉跟线关系不大，跟拍子关系不太大
the
【在 s*****8 的大作中提到】
: Great thoughts!
: 我原来用lm raidcal
: (stiffness 65 4pt-head light swingweight 325 11.2oz)
: 现在用microgel radical
: (stiffness 57 2pt-head light swingweight 315 11oz)
: 我用下来的感受
: control-dwell time: depends on string imo? i use same string, so i feel the
: same
: control- when hit off center: no idea..
: control-spin microgel>lm
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h*******s
发帖数: 8454 | 14 随便搞一只radical os试试也行
或者pd啊什么的大众拍
the
【在 s*****8 的大作中提到】
: Great thoughts!
: 我原来用lm raidcal
: (stiffness 65 4pt-head light swingweight 325 11.2oz)
: 现在用microgel radical
: (stiffness 57 2pt-head light swingweight 315 11oz)
: 我用下来的感受
: control-dwell time: depends on string imo? i use same string, so i feel the
: same
: control- when hit off center: no idea..
: control-spin microgel>lm
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s*****8
发帖数: 55 | 15 恩，本身的力量和拍头速度可能都不强
不过用不同的拍子power感觉还是很不一样
有时把自己的拍子给别人用，别人一上来也频频浅球（用打自己拍子的感觉用我的拍子）
看来我要遁入器材派了。。。。。
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: 你这个要是上poly可以再稍微低点儿吧
: 感觉跟线关系不大，跟拍子关系不太大
:
: the
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 16 One easy solution would be have two different rackets to play with
different levels of players.
the
【在 s*****8 的大作中提到】
: Great thoughts!
: 我原来用lm raidcal
: (stiffness 65 4pt-head light swingweight 325 11.2oz)
: 现在用microgel radical
: (stiffness 57 2pt-head light swingweight 315 11oz)
: 我用下来的感受
: control-dwell time: depends on string imo? i use same string, so i feel the
: same
: control- when hit off center: no idea..
: control-spin microgel>lm
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s*****8
发帖数: 55 | 17 器材派门徒应该人手一列网球拍，根据对手天气和心情来选择杀球利器嘛 lol
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: One easy solution would be have two different rackets to play with
: different levels of players.
:
: the
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 18 I am actually kinda like that, hehe.
I have 16 rackets in my closet, and I will only pick 2 to go to the court
with.
【在 s*****8 的大作中提到】
: 器材派门徒应该人手一列网球拍，根据对手天气和心情来选择杀球利器嘛 lol
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a***8
发帖数: 2433 | 19 The radical MP has 95 head and 18x20 dense string bed. it's a control
oriented racquet. use poly with 53lb will make it feels like a wood board -
you'll feel a lot of harmful shock.
I recommend two things: (I use this setup on my LD's radical MP, which I use
for double play too.)
1. change the grip to leather - this will add about 0.3oz to the total mass
and a lot more feel and feedback for control, especially for volley. power
will be a little higher and swing will be as fast as before.
2. use 18 gauge poly with 35lbs tension. yes, 35lbs. it feels the same as
syn.guts at mid 50's but spin is a lot easier to generate. poly strings have
litter elongation when stretched, which makes then not sensitive to tension
- so we feel they don't loss tension. the truth is: they don't pocket the
ball even at very low tension. |
t******g
发帖数: 2253 | |
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a***8
发帖数: 2433 | 21 The radical MP has 95 head and 18x20 dense string bed. it's a control
oriented racquet. use poly with 53lb will make it feels like a wood board -
you'll feel a lot of harmful shock.
I recommend two things: (I use this setup on my LD's radical MP, which I use
for double play too.)
1. change the grip to leather - this will add about 0.3oz to the total mass
and a lot more feel and feedback for control, especially for volley. power
will be a little higher and swing will be as fast as before.
2. use 18 gauge poly with 35lbs tension. yes, 35lbs. it feels the same as
syn.guts at mid 50's but spin is a lot easier to generate. poly strings have
litter elongation when stretched, which makes then not sensitive to tension
- so we feel they don't loss tension. the truth is: they don't pocket the
ball even at very low tension. |
s*****8
发帖数: 55 | 22 WOW
never thought about the second idea
did you diy on stringing?
or maybe the store won't accept such parameter for stringing?
and imo LM and microgel radical differ a lot!
-
use
mass
have
【在 a***8 的大作中提到】
: The radical MP has 95 head and 18x20 dense string bed. it's a control
: oriented racquet. use poly with 53lb will make it feels like a wood board -
: you'll feel a lot of harmful shock.
: I recommend two things: (I use this setup on my LD's radical MP, which I use
: for double play too.)
: 1. change the grip to leather - this will add about 0.3oz to the total mass
: and a lot more feel and feedback for control, especially for volley. power
: will be a little higher and swing will be as fast as before.
: 2. use 18 gauge poly with 35lbs tension. yes, 35lbs. it feels the same as
: syn.guts at mid 50's but spin is a lot easier to generate. poly strings have
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h*******s
发帖数: 8454 | 23 曾经在radical上穿bb ace，58，确实很难打
现在的prestige mp穿了一回57的hybrid，还勉强可以
-
use
mass
have
【在 a***8 的大作中提到】
: The radical MP has 95 head and 18x20 dense string bed. it's a control
: oriented racquet. use poly with 53lb will make it feels like a wood board -
: you'll feel a lot of harmful shock.
: I recommend two things: (I use this setup on my LD's radical MP, which I use
: for double play too.)
: 1. change the grip to leather - this will add about 0.3oz to the total mass
: and a lot more feel and feedback for control, especially for volley. power
: will be a little higher and swing will be as fast as before.
: 2. use 18 gauge poly with 35lbs tension. yes, 35lbs. it feels the same as
: syn.guts at mid 50's but spin is a lot easier to generate. poly strings have
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h*******s
发帖数: 8454 | 24 哇，这两个建议都很牛
我球友是leather控，我倒是不以为然，35磅是不是太低了，poly不是很快就掉磅了么
呵呵
-
use
mass
have
【在 a***8 的大作中提到】
: The radical MP has 95 head and 18x20 dense string bed. it's a control
: oriented racquet. use poly with 53lb will make it feels like a wood board -
: you'll feel a lot of harmful shock.
: I recommend two things: (I use this setup on my LD's radical MP, which I use
: for double play too.)
: 1. change the grip to leather - this will add about 0.3oz to the total mass
: and a lot more feel and feedback for control, especially for volley. power
: will be a little higher and swing will be as fast as before.
: 2. use 18 gauge poly with 35lbs tension. yes, 35lbs. it feels the same as
: syn.guts at mid 50's but spin is a lot easier to generate. poly strings have
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a***8
发帖数: 2433 | 25 I string my own racquets. there's a very important factor a lot of people
don't know about stringing - the time between you apply the stretching
force
and put on the clamp. it affects the string job a lot by vary several
seconds! i.e. if you stretch the string 2 seconds the put on the clamp,
the
real tension may be 5-10 lbs less than you stretch the string 10 seconds
then clamp it. (that's why some people pre-stretch the string) it's a
factor you have no control at all when you have the
store string it for you. when DIY, consistency is more important than
speed
, i always wait long enough before clamp it(difference between 10 and 18
seconds is a lot less the 2 and 10 seconds, the longer you wait, the
closer
the tension is to the reading). because of that, my 35 lbs may worth 40
lbs
in store. (my 45 lbs measured very close to asus's 53 lbs, if I remember
right) |
h*******s
发帖数: 8454 | 26 这个理论倒是有点儿意思，你相当于把线的延展性都榨干了
但是人家的57也是consistent地，只不过和你的标准不一样而已
职业穿线师也就10来分钟一只拍子穿好，肯定都是立刻拉，立刻clamp地
也没啥问题，各有所好吧，不过这样，你提出的35lb就要大打折扣了
用平时的穿法，搞不好就要多个10来磅啥的
force
the
speed
closer
lbs
【在 a***8 的大作中提到】
: I string my own racquets. there's a very important factor a lot of people
: don't know about stringing - the time between you apply the stretching
: force
: and put on the clamp. it affects the string job a lot by vary several
: seconds! i.e. if you stretch the string 2 seconds the put on the clamp,
: the
: real tension may be 5-10 lbs less than you stretch the string 10 seconds
: then clamp it. (that's why some people pre-stretch the string) it's a
: factor you have no control at all when you have the
: store string it for you. when DIY, consistency is more important than
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r******n
发帖数: 1665 | 27 为什么Head light racquet can have faster(higher) head speed?
1. heavier racquet has more power - no matter head heavy or head light. the
difference is head light racquet can have faster head speed, therefore more
spin potential. add mass to racquet normally result in swinged at lower
speed by the same player which reduce the spin potential. |
a***8
发帖数: 2433 | 28 That's under the assumption of with same static mass. imagine you swing a
hammer by holding the handle (head heavy), then try swing it by holding
the head (head light)...
【在 r******n 的大作中提到】
: 为什么Head light racquet can have faster(higher) head speed?
: 1. heavier racquet has more power - no matter head heavy or head light. the
: difference is head light racquet can have faster head speed, therefore more
: spin potential. add mass to racquet normally result in swinged at lower
: speed by the same player which reduce the spin potential.
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a***8
发帖数: 2433 | 29 right, it's not about which way is better but about consistency(isn't that
tennis is all about?) The 35lbs is just to point out for poly, you can go
really low and it's not sensitive to tension. you gotta try to believe,
right?
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: 这个理论倒是有点儿意思，你相当于把线的延展性都榨干了
: 但是人家的57也是consistent地，只不过和你的标准不一样而已
: 职业穿线师也就10来分钟一只拍子穿好，肯定都是立刻拉，立刻clamp地
: 也没啥问题，各有所好吧，不过这样，你提出的35lb就要大打折扣了
: 用平时的穿法，搞不好就要多个10来磅啥的
:
: force
: the
: speed
: closer
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h*******s
发帖数: 8454 | 30 嗯，我现在的poly掉磅都开始走线了。。。
回头有机会试试40磅的poly，我好像还没穿过fullpoly呢
【在 a***8 的大作中提到】
: right, it's not about which way is better but about consistency(isn't that
: tennis is all about?) The 35lbs is just to point out for poly, you can go
: really low and it's not sensitive to tension. you gotta try to believe,
: right?
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s*****8
发帖数: 55 | 31 稳定性应该同时下降？
极端例子，想象着反握着棒球棒打棒球
【在 a***8 的大作中提到】
: That's under the assumption of with same static mass. imagine you swing a
: hammer by holding the handle (head heavy), then try swing it by holding
: the head (head light)...
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a***8
发帖数: 2433 | 32 Yes when you missed the sweet spot. no effect when you do hit the ball
right on the sweet spot.
【在 s*****8 的大作中提到】
: 稳定性应该同时下降？
: 极端例子，想象着反握着棒球棒打棒球
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