m****z
发帖数: 978 | 1 That was great discussion on CC, DTL, changing directions of the ball. I
feel Depth control (DC) is even harder, and something that is harder to see
and I have neglected so far. I was told DC is a major area separate 3.5 and
4.0.
You have to factor in at least 3 things:
Height
Pace
Spin
Moon baller and WS game style (drop, lob, moonball) actually light year
ahead on DC than other players like myself.
Could we talk about his in "depth"? How do you progressed on this? Where to
start low hanging fruits? Any drill or tip or any thoughts and experiences.
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m****z
发帖数: 978 | |
b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 3 Here is my take.
your definition of moon baller is mainly block high and push the ball right?
Some with some topspin, but it's not those high and heavy balls (Rafa)...
Their strokes racquet has more open face, it makes "more" contact with the
ball thus they get more of a response, or more consistent response.
Therefore they get more feel, and grasp the this control faster. They also
pay more attention to this because their game style.
You probably hit with more spin and pace. For spin, it's more of a brush, it
's harder to grasp the feel. And you win your points mainly by able to get
the ball deep, thus you pay less attention to it anyways. To get the ball
deep, you probably end up swinging "harder" thus even harder to get this
feel. Without the feel, it's hard to control the depth.
I always suggest ppl to do drop feed and mini tennis, because this is a way
to grasp the feel. When you have this feel, it's easier to work on the
control....
see
and
【在 m****z 的大作中提到】
: That was great discussion on CC, DTL, changing directions of the ball. I
: feel Depth control (DC) is even harder, and something that is harder to see
: and I have neglected so far. I was told DC is a major area separate 3.5 and
: 4.0.
: You have to factor in at least 3 things:
: Height
: Pace
: Spin
: Moon baller and WS game style (drop, lob, moonball) actually light year
: ahead on DC than other players like myself.
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m****z
发帖数: 978 | 4 You are right. That is my style.
I hit top spin BH, FH on almost every shot. When I hit harder, I create
more pace and along with more top spin. Due to additional top spin, my
harder shot does not go that much deeper. I think most of my rally balls
land around service line. Even it has good pace, due to lack of depth, it
does not hurt my opponent that much.
I want to change my average rally ball to land in the middle of base line
and service line. I hit with a teaching pro for couple points. He does not
hit any harder than me(he is taking it easy), but all his shots land very
close to the baseline. I feel the pressure right away.
When I open my racquet face to go for deeper balls like moon ballers do, I
actually feel less control. The ball will go deeper, but it could flow out
on me from time to time.
it
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: Here is my take.
: your definition of moon baller is mainly block high and push the ball right?
: Some with some topspin, but it's not those high and heavy balls (Rafa)...
: Their strokes racquet has more open face, it makes "more" contact with the
: ball thus they get more of a response, or more consistent response.
: Therefore they get more feel, and grasp the this control faster. They also
: pay more attention to this because their game style.
: You probably hit with more spin and pace. For spin, it's more of a brush, it
: 's harder to grasp the feel. And you win your points mainly by able to get
: the ball deep, thus you pay less attention to it anyways. To get the ball
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 5 "When I open my racquet face to go for deeper ball like moonballer, I
actually feel less control."
- that's because you didn't slow down your racquet head speed....
don't open up go for deeper ball like moonballer, that's not the right way
to go. You have to learn how to hit looser and cleaner....
not
【在 m****z 的大作中提到】
: You are right. That is my style.
: I hit top spin BH, FH on almost every shot. When I hit harder, I create
: more pace and along with more top spin. Due to additional top spin, my
: harder shot does not go that much deeper. I think most of my rally balls
: land around service line. Even it has good pace, due to lack of depth, it
: does not hurt my opponent that much.
: I want to change my average rally ball to land in the middle of base line
: and service line. I hit with a teaching pro for couple points. He does not
: hit any harder than me(he is taking it easy), but all his shots land very
: close to the baseline. I feel the pressure right away.
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m****z
发帖数: 978 | 6 Yes, that took away my top spin, which is my control.
Now, I feel the height control is the key to control Depth. Focusing on hit
4-5 feet over the net with good top spin. I want to be top spin
moonballers. lol
But how to learn to control the height in order for me the keep my shots
deep?
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: "When I open my racquet face to go for deeper ball like moonballer, I
: actually feel less control."
: - that's because you didn't slow down your racquet head speed....
: don't open up go for deeper ball like moonballer, that's not the right way
: to go. You have to learn how to hit looser and cleaner....
:
: not
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m****z
发帖数: 978 | 7 One issues is I can see my target though the net. Then I will start hit
lower and lower. But in reality, my shots has arc. I need to learn to set
my target on where it goes over the net, i.e. 5 feet above the net and 8
feet left of the center strap, when I hit FH CC. Any experience on this? |
b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 8 4-5 feet is a bit low lol.... I doubt you are that advance yet. :P
Aim for 6~9 feet, even higher is fine too. :) Get a feel of free swinging
and the affect of those heavy balls (opponent will HATE it). You can start
to bring the height of net clearance down as you get better feel of it.....
These "loopy moonballs" may lead some ppl to think you are a 3.0 or 3.5, but
really, who cares what they think. :)
hit
【在 m****z 的大作中提到】
: Yes, that took away my top spin, which is my control.
: Now, I feel the height control is the key to control Depth. Focusing on hit
: 4-5 feet over the net with good top spin. I want to be top spin
: moonballers. lol
: But how to learn to control the height in order for me the keep my shots
: deep?
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m****z
发帖数: 978 | 9 Gosh, now I think that is my biggest issue. My shots are usually only 2-3
feet over the net!
Take a look of my video and take a look of the heigh and depth. I am
fxxxing play mini tennis! My shorts land all around or within services line
, if it goes over the net. WTF!
First of all, it gives me tons of UE since it easily goes into the net.
2nd, even it is a good pace ball, it lands very shot. The other dude has
all day to wait til it drop right in there zone, while still close or in the
base line.
3rd, if it is just a little slow. They can easily attack the short ball and
go to the net. |
a*****0
发帖数: 6788 | 10 要比赛中能3-5米高的moonball100%地到发球线后，70%到底线2米以内， 那可以说是强
5.0 |
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f*****n
发帖数: 18176 | 11 对手就被打到铁丝网了
【在 a*****0 的大作中提到】
: 要比赛中能3-5米高的moonball100%地到发球线后，70%到底线2米以内， 那可以说是强
: 5.0
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m****z
发帖数: 978 | 12 Take a look of my video and take a look of the height and depth. I am
fxxxing play mini tennis! My shorts land all around or within services line
, if it goes over the net. And, I am swing hard. All of these = UE + tired
+ does not hurt my opponent.. |
m****z
发帖数: 978 | 13 The point start at 6:06 was where I want to be. The question is how to do
that consistently?
The only reason I aimed it deep was because I was backing it up on the first
shot and played defensively. Then the next shot probably had the first
shot in mind. I hope it is just a tactical issues. |
b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 14 There's a big difference between intentional mini tennis and unintentional
mini tennis. ... yours is later :p.... we all been there part of growing
pain. :)
Cheer up and good luck.
line
tired
【在 m****z 的大作中提到】
: Take a look of my video and take a look of the height and depth. I am
: fxxxing play mini tennis! My shorts land all around or within services line
: , if it goes over the net. And, I am swing hard. All of these = UE + tired
: + does not hurt my opponent..
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m****z
发帖数: 978 | 15 That is for sure. I play a lot of mini tennis with my regular partner.
usually 30 mins each time to warm up. Just realized that after that I play
unintentional mini tennis. lol. Mini-me?
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: There's a big difference between intentional mini tennis and unintentional
: mini tennis. ... yours is later :p.... we all been there part of growing
: pain. :)
: Cheer up and good luck.
:
: line
: tired
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 16 The #1 tip to keep ball deep is don't hit topspin. Flat and slice can both
achieve depth easier than topspin.
But if you want to control depth, like long than short, that's hard. No
tip. Just need to hit 10000 more balls.
see
and
【在 m****z 的大作中提到】
: That was great discussion on CC, DTL, changing directions of the ball. I
: feel Depth control (DC) is even harder, and something that is harder to see
: and I have neglected so far. I was told DC is a major area separate 3.5 and
: 4.0.
: You have to factor in at least 3 things:
: Height
: Pace
: Spin
: Moon baller and WS game style (drop, lob, moonball) actually light year
: ahead on DC than other players like myself.
|
m****z
发帖数: 978 | 17 I am one trick pony. All I do is Top spin. I wish I can do flat and slice.
I am thinking aiming higher over the net and keep the same top spin and
pace.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: The #1 tip to keep ball deep is don't hit topspin. Flat and slice can both
: achieve depth easier than topspin.
: But if you want to control depth, like long than short, that's hard. No
: tip. Just need to hit 10000 more balls.
:
: see
: and
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 18 You are mostly hitting flat. You don't have the issue of those heavy
topspin players. If you aim higher you are risking hitting long.
The solution is to aim higher but hit with less pace but more spin.
Brush the ball more.
line
the
【在 m****z 的大作中提到】
: I am one trick pony. All I do is Top spin. I wish I can do flat and slice.
: I am thinking aiming higher over the net and keep the same top spin and
: pace.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 19 Are you using poly string?
first
【在 m****z 的大作中提到】
: The point start at 6:06 was where I want to be. The question is how to do
: that consistently?
: The only reason I aimed it deep was because I was backing it up on the first
: shot and played defensively. Then the next shot probably had the first
: shot in mind. I hope it is just a tactical issues.
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m****z
发帖数: 978 | 20 Poly Luxilon Ace 19 Main. PSG 16 Cross.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Are you using poly string?
:
: first
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 21 Change to both 16, all poly.
【在 m****z 的大作中提到】
: Poly Luxilon Ace 19 Main. PSG 16 Cross.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 22 using 19 on an oversize is insane!
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Change to both 16, all poly.
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m****z
发帖数: 978 | 23 lol. Not clue here. why is that?
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: using 19 on an oversize is insane!
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 24 First, too easy to break. Ignore the following if you are wsn.
Then, too powerful and not stable. Using 16 would not affect spin much,
because your string pattern is open enough. It's not like Prestige Mid.
Nadal uses 15L all poly on his 100 sq in 16x19.
【在 m****z 的大作中提到】
: lol. Not clue here. why is that?
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m****z
发帖数: 978 | 25 I wanted to try ploy, but afraid it may break my elbow. So I went with the
thin and soft poly. Kind of liked it, and on my 2nd reel now. Too WSN,
save money by doing reel, but did not experience other strings first. My
record is breaking the string in 7 days about 5 outings.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: First, too easy to break. Ignore the following if you are wsn.
: Then, too powerful and not stable. Using 16 would not affect spin much,
: because your string pattern is open enough. It's not like Prestige Mid.
: Nadal uses 15L all poly on his 100 sq in 16x19.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 26 It is a very bad combination. I've noticed the ball slided on your racket
twice. Those kind of errors will easily be fixed by switching to a thicker
string.
Using 19 on a 107 sq in is like using 17 on Wilson 95S 16x15. It's missing
the whole point.
the
【在 m****z 的大作中提到】
: I wanted to try ploy, but afraid it may break my elbow. So I went with the
: thin and soft poly. Kind of liked it, and on my 2nd reel now. Too WSN,
: save money by doing reel, but did not experience other strings first. My
: record is breaking the string in 7 days about 5 outings.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 27 One more example:
The most open string pattern, 12x14 on a Wilson oversize, was used by
ATP pro Woodbridge. Guess what string gauge he used? 12L.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: It is a very bad combination. I've noticed the ball slided on your racket
: twice. Those kind of errors will easily be fixed by switching to a thicker
: string.
: Using 19 on a 107 sq in is like using 17 on Wilson 95S 16x15. It's missing
: the whole point.
:
: the
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 28 here is the thing about intentional mini tennis, what is your intention? :)
Base on what you said above, your intention is to warm up. So that's just
that. There are many different intention when you play mini tennis. Intent
to split before opponent hit the ball, intent to be set (racquet take back)
before the ball crosses the net, intent to stare at the ball to see the
tread spin, intent to feel the racquet drop and follow that momentum to
swing, intent to hold your balance as you strike the ball and after, intent
to.... It's a best way to work on things.
Do you have the same swing path in mini tennis as you do at baseline? They
need to be the same, not an easy task...
play
【在 m****z 的大作中提到】
: That is for sure. I play a lot of mini tennis with my regular partner.
: usually 30 mins each time to warm up. Just realized that after that I play
: unintentional mini tennis. lol. Mini-me?
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m****z
发帖数: 978 | 29 Wow. Thanks. Great post as always. My intention is warming up, find the
timing and feel. I will intend on those things next time. I usually do chip
first then change to regular top spin. But even top spin, the swing path
is different for sure.
)
intent
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: here is the thing about intentional mini tennis, what is your intention? :)
: Base on what you said above, your intention is to warm up. So that's just
: that. There are many different intention when you play mini tennis. Intent
: to split before opponent hit the ball, intent to be set (racquet take back)
: before the ball crosses the net, intent to stare at the ball to see the
: tread spin, intent to feel the racquet drop and follow that momentum to
: swing, intent to hold your balance as you strike the ball and after, intent
: to.... It's a best way to work on things.
: Do you have the same swing path in mini tennis as you do at baseline? They
: need to be the same, not an easy task...
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m****z
发帖数: 978 | 30 Can you tell me which shot it sledded the time in the video? I had no idea.
Thx.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: It is a very bad combination. I've noticed the ball slided on your racket
: twice. Those kind of errors will easily be fixed by switching to a thicker
: string.
: Using 19 on a 107 sq in is like using 17 on Wilson 95S 16x15. It's missing
: the whole point.
:
: the
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 31 Too lazy to watch again. One is a forehand. One is return of serve (also
forehand). Both hit the net below 50% position.
.
【在 m****z 的大作中提到】
: Can you tell me which shot it sledded the time in the video? I had no idea.
: Thx.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 32 2'50"
3'05"
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Too lazy to watch again. One is a forehand. One is return of serve (also
: forehand). Both hit the net below 50% position.
:
: .
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m****z
发帖数: 978 | 33 Thanks. It sure looks ugly. That is my Radical OS, but 18x20 very dense
pattern. My other racquet is Wilson Ncode SixOne 95 16x19. What a good
string for them.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 2'50"
: 3'05"
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 34 Ur OS is 18x19. And 6.1 is 16x18.
【在 m****z 的大作中提到】
: Thanks. It sure looks ugly. That is my Radical OS, but 18x20 very dense
: pattern. My other racquet is Wilson Ncode SixOne 95 16x19. What a good
: string for them.
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m****z
发帖数: 978 | 35 gosh you are good. That was a test, you passed. joking. My mistakes.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Ur OS is 18x19. And 6.1 is 16x18.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 36 I just compared these two rackets. My Radical OS is an i.Radical, 1 version
newer than you, but they are from the same mold.
The string density is comparable near the center (sweet spot). 6.1 is
denser in the cross but wider in the main. I would think they are both
similar open string pattern. That is to say 16g would also work well on
6.1 95. I have NXG 16 on it.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Ur OS is 18x19. And 6.1 is 16x18.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 37 For 6.1 I wouldn't recommend all poly. It's a stiff racket. I noticed you
wear an elbow thingy.
String brand doesn't matter. It's a personal preference. If you like soft,
just go with co-poly. That are soft and lack power. You have plenty of
power, so...
All poly should be 5 lbs looser than all syn gut. If you don't know your
all syn gut tension, you can start with the lowest recommended tension on
the racket.
version
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I just compared these two rackets. My Radical OS is an i.Radical, 1 version
: newer than you, but they are from the same mold.
: The string density is comparable near the center (sweet spot). 6.1 is
: denser in the cross but wider in the main. I would think they are both
: similar open string pattern. That is to say 16g would also work well on
: 6.1 95. I have NXG 16 on it.
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 38 我自己有一个drill，对我自己的DC比较有帮助，
得益于收音机的一个帖子和黑导的drop feed。
在对面场地放一个target，我自己是一个呼啦圈，放在底线附近任何处。在自己这边底
线自己drop feed，要求是把球打到呼啦圈里。但是要求自己每一个shot用不同的旋转
（下旋不转上旋强上旋），弧线（高矮过网急坠，对称弧或者齐肩打高球过网不对称）
，速度。好处是自己一个人就可以练习，不受partner限制，而且比较有fun。打了一段
时间这样的drill，自己感觉control能力好了，feel好了，而且比赛中知道受迫时候用
那种球（速度弧度旋转组合）回深自己最有把握，可以少失误还能压迫对方；也能感觉
到如果需要flat out一些球到某一个落点，怎么打成功率自己能接受。这个drill同时
也练习flexibility，就是一种shot被对方适应，或者正好是对方最舒服的zone，自己
还有其他shot。 |
h******n
发帖数: 734 | 39 理论问题:
如果用drop feed 打正手，落在底线附近。
用同样的动作打一个rally的来球，这球是会出界吧？
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: 我自己有一个drill，对我自己的DC比较有帮助，
: 得益于收音机的一个帖子和黑导的drop feed。
: 在对面场地放一个target，我自己是一个呼啦圈，放在底线附近任何处。在自己这边底
: 线自己drop feed，要求是把球打到呼啦圈里。但是要求自己每一个shot用不同的旋转
: （下旋不转上旋强上旋），弧线（高矮过网急坠，对称弧或者齐肩打高球过网不对称）
: ，速度。好处是自己一个人就可以练习，不受partner限制，而且比较有fun。打了一段
: 时间这样的drill，自己感觉control能力好了，feel好了，而且比赛中知道受迫时候用
: 那种球（速度弧度旋转组合）回深自己最有把握，可以少失误还能压迫对方；也能感觉
: 到如果需要flat out一些球到某一个落点，怎么打成功率自己能接受。这个drill同时
: 也练习flexibility，就是一种shot被对方适应，或者正好是对方最舒服的zone，自己
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 40 why?
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: 理论问题:
: 如果用drop feed 打正手，落在底线附近。
: 用同样的动作打一个rally的来球，这球是会出界吧？
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h******n
发帖数: 734 | 41 drop feed 打的是死球，harder to hit faster than a rally ball.
打rally ball如果用打dead ball的力气，球不就容易飞了么？
But: if spin is involved, this can get complex.
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: why?
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 42 it's more about your technique, if you can't even hit a dead ball with
proper technique what makes you think that you can hit it properly with live
ball?
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: drop feed 打的是死球，harder to hit faster than a rally ball.
: 打rally ball如果用打dead ball的力气，球不就容易飞了么？
: But: if spin is involved, this can get complex.
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h******n
发帖数: 734 | 43 that's a different question than I asked lol.
my question in simple version:
is it easier to hit a dead ball deep or live ball deep? i think it is easier
to hit a live ball deep.
live
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: it's more about your technique, if you can't even hit a dead ball with
: proper technique what makes you think that you can hit it properly with live
: ball?
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 44 is your question just out of curiosity?
For me dead ball (drop feed) is easier. I almost feel if I can hit live ball
the way I hit dead balls, I can be a pro lol
easier
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: that's a different question than I asked lol.
: my question in simple version:
: is it easier to hit a dead ball deep or live ball deep? i think it is easier
: to hit a live ball deep.
:
: live
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h******n
发帖数: 734 | 45 i am concerned if you are used to the power level you hit a drop feed, in
real match you may give too much power to the ball and it sails long often.
this is just my theoretical speculation :)
ball
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: is your question just out of curiosity?
: For me dead ball (drop feed) is easier. I almost feel if I can hit live ball
: the way I hit dead balls, I can be a pro lol
:
: easier
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 46 We want to learn how to hit a ball deep with control.
The way to feel the ball is to eliminate all other factors out of your
control and just feel it. This make it much easier to concentrate on your
basic technique as 黑导 said。Of course in real match you need to add them
back.
easier
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: that's a different question than I asked lol.
: my question in simple version:
: is it easier to hit a dead ball deep or live ball deep? i think it is easier
: to hit a live ball deep.
:
: live
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 47 i have no idea about the physics behind it. I focus on a proper technique
and the feel... I don't have issue about hitting the ball out. To me, it's
just a both at certain height and certain distance from the body, so
technically hitting it on the rise and hitting it on the drop should be the
same if executed correctly...
My concern is how to hit a live ball the same way I hit a dead ball....
.
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: i am concerned if you are used to the power level you hit a drop feed, in
: real match you may give too much power to the ball and it sails long often.
: this is just my theoretical speculation :)
:
: ball
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h******n
发帖数: 734 | 48 do you have video showing you do drop feed with a complete motion? last
video we saw you start the racket in the taken back position. Is that
because time is not enough to execute full motion in drop feed?
the
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: i have no idea about the physics behind it. I focus on a proper technique
: and the feel... I don't have issue about hitting the ball out. To me, it's
: just a both at certain height and certain distance from the body, so
: technically hitting it on the rise and hitting it on the drop should be the
: same if executed correctly...
: My concern is how to hit a live ball the same way I hit a dead ball....
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h******n
发帖数: 734 | 49 that makes sense, I want see how you do it too:)
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: We want to learn how to hit a ball deep with control.
: The way to feel the ball is to eliminate all other factors out of your
: control and just feel it. This make it much easier to concentrate on your
: basic technique as 黑导 said。Of course in real match you need to add them
: back.
:
: easier
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 50 Why not just hit the wall? Save the time to pick up balls. Saves balls
as well. Let the ball bounce 3 times if not enough swing time.
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: that makes sense, I want see how you do it too:)
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 51 It could be either way.
Drop feed eliminates the possibility of lack of positioning. You are always
at the perfect position to hit. So more powerful.
Drop feed can't hit the ball when moving forward. No 重心压上. So less
powerful.
Drop feed hits dead ball. No 借力. So less powerful.
.
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: i am concerned if you are used to the power level you hit a drop feed, in
: real match you may give too much power to the ball and it sails long often.
: this is just my theoretical speculation :)
:
: ball
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h******n
发帖数: 734 | 52 after 3 bounce it is too low to be picked up.
I already hit the backboard very well 1 year into tennis. strangely my
ground stroke ability is just stuck there and hasn't move much 2 years later
.
This makes me cautious regarding any non realistic hitting:(
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Why not just hit the wall? Save the time to pick up balls. Saves balls
: as well. Let the ball bounce 3 times if not enough swing time.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 53 4 words
later
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: after 3 bounce it is too low to be picked up.
: I already hit the backboard very well 1 year into tennis. strangely my
: ground stroke ability is just stuck there and hasn't move much 2 years later
: .
: This makes me cautious regarding any non realistic hitting:(
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 54 no, it's not because lack of time. It's to understand how the swing feel if
it's starts from a proper set. I do not advocate time the ball... pro can
get away with it cuz they don't have a day time job like me. :)
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: do you have video showing you do drop feed with a complete motion? last
: video we saw you start the racket in the taken back position. Is that
: because time is not enough to execute full motion in drop feed?
:
: the
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 55 at certain levels, I really don't find much usefulness of hitting with the
wall. i would much rather drop feed myself than hitting against wall... wall
does give you a chance for some sweat though.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Why not just hit the wall? Save the time to pick up balls. Saves balls
: as well. Let the ball bounce 3 times if not enough swing time.
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h******n
发帖数: 734 | 56 "I do not advocate time the ball" ? how can you hit the ball well without
good timing?
so you always drop feed with a racket already taken back on both fh and bh
side?
if
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: no, it's not because lack of time. It's to understand how the swing feel if
: it's starts from a proper set. I do not advocate time the ball... pro can
: get away with it cuz they don't have a day time job like me. :)
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 57 if I started to timing the ball, yes I start with setting position. My
friend often point that out to me.... If I drop feed myself, i start with
that position.
timing the ball with the stroke is not the same as the timing of the ball
you are talking about.
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: "I do not advocate time the ball" ? how can you hit the ball well without
: good timing?
: so you always drop feed with a racket already taken back on both fh and bh
: side?
:
: if
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h******n
发帖数: 734 | 58 what is your "timing the ball with the stroke"? you lost me :)
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: if I started to timing the ball, yes I start with setting position. My
: friend often point that out to me.... If I drop feed myself, i start with
: that position.
: timing the ball with the stroke is not the same as the timing of the ball
: you are talking about.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 59 go 考古。。。 i mentioned this once... lol
let's say Kygios timed the ball, where nishikori or delpo wait for the ball.
Maybe you can see the difference there. Thus i'm not all though fond of
Kygios game, he's good no doubt... would be interesting to see how he fair
on clay.
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: what is your "timing the ball with the stroke"? you lost me :)
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h******n
发帖数: 734 | 60 dude this is so 深奥
ball.
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: go 考古。。。 i mentioned this once... lol
: let's say Kygios timed the ball, where nishikori or delpo wait for the ball.
: Maybe you can see the difference there. Thus i'm not all though fond of
: Kygios game, he's good no doubt... would be interesting to see how he fair
: on clay.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 61 lol tennis could be simple or could be as deep as you want it to be. :P
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: dude this is so 深奥
:
: ball.
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m****z
发帖数: 978 | 62 Hitting the Wall
I like to use Kids red or orange ball. It slows thing down. Allow you to
hit though the ball with limited space.
It is productive, you don't need to pick up tons of balls.
It is great for preparation, foot work, timing.
Downside
But I don't see the depth of the short.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 63 never tried, but I dont' think i would like it. The weight of the ball is
too different, not good for the feel....
【在 m****z 的大作中提到】
: Hitting the Wall
: I like to use Kids red or orange ball. It slows thing down. Allow you to
: hit though the ball with limited space.
: It is productive, you don't need to pick up tons of balls.
: It is great for preparation, foot work, timing.
: Downside
: But I don't see the depth of the short.
: Hard to work on CC shots.
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