k***n
发帖数: 849 | | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 这牌ivey 打坏了... he won't get paid off even if flush comes on board. | k***n
发帖数: 849 | 3 I think he's counting on Durrr's aggression. Durrr is known for making big
bluffs and calling down very light, so Ivey thought he'd get paid regardless
of what Durrr had. So it would have been interesting if the flush came, I
really wanted to see if Durrr would bluff at that...
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 这牌ivey 打坏了... he won't get paid off even if flush comes on board.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 my personal experience of playing with agrodonks (not try to imply durr is
one) on ftp is to call down light with a top pair or over pair, AKA a decent
made hand, but not to call with draws. Because you do not have a hand,
and you are calling down big bets without the odds to draw. if you have a
monster draw against them (like what ivey does) then play it aggressively,
because their hand are usually marginal and your fold equity is the highest
against these type of player. it is the best to pla
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: I think he's counting on Durrr's aggression. Durrr is known for making big
: bluffs and calling down very light, so Ivey thought he'd get paid regardless
: of what Durrr had. So it would have been interesting if the flush came, I
: really wanted to see if Durrr would bluff at that...
| k***n
发帖数: 849 | 5 Well, I guess Ivey put durrr on a polarized range (close to nuts or nothing)
, not a marginal hand like mid pair, which durrr won't keep betting. So
there's no point to try to semibluff here.
decent
highest
aggressively
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: my personal experience of playing with agrodonks (not try to imply durr is
: one) on ftp is to call down light with a top pair or over pair, AKA a decent
: made hand, but not to call with draws. Because you do not have a hand,
: and you are calling down big bets without the odds to draw. if you have a
: monster draw against them (like what ivey does) then play it aggressively,
: because their hand are usually marginal and your fold equity is the highest
: against these type of player. it is the best to pla
| d*****o
发帖数: 2868 | 6 i felt like ivey should have pushed after the flop, when dwan bet it, he
should raise and see what dwan does, he had a big flush draw and a straight
draw as well. Dwan made a continuation bet after the flop, simly trying to
convince ivey that he has a big hand like pocket aces or hit the set. B/c
the river was a blank, therefore dwan thought it was safe to fire another
barrel at ivey. | y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 7 ivey plays well.
It is super deep game, sometimes you have to be bluffed. (pros fold a lot
over pair on rag board, if he gets check raised. If you call the 3bet, your
hand is transparent. )
If ivey allin on flop, durrrr will call with a monster, set at least(usually
big dog). durrrr will fold his bluff hand.
straight
to
【在 d*****o 的大作中提到】
: i felt like ivey should have pushed after the flop, when dwan bet it, he
: should raise and see what dwan does, he had a big flush draw and a straight
: draw as well. Dwan made a continuation bet after the flop, simly trying to
: convince ivey that he has a big hand like pocket aces or hit the set. B/c
: the river was a blank, therefore dwan thought it was safe to fire another
: barrel at ivey.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 8 they have played thousands and years of hands between each other, so a play
that may seem "normal" to average players may have gone through a lot of
twists already, i.e., 1+1=2 is not as simple as 1+1 any more, lol.
your
usually
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: ivey plays well.
: It is super deep game, sometimes you have to be bluffed. (pros fold a lot
: over pair on rag board, if he gets check raised. If you call the 3bet, your
: hand is transparent. )
: If ivey allin on flop, durrrr will call with a monster, set at least(usually
: big dog). durrrr will fold his bluff hand.
:
: straight
: to
| k***n
发帖数: 849 | 9 Yeah the stacks are too deep to push the flop, on the turn I guess Ivey can
push but his equity drops in half there. The hand would have been played
perfectly had Ivey called the river, and he nearly did, but he's only human.
..
your
usually
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: ivey plays well.
: It is super deep game, sometimes you have to be bluffed. (pros fold a lot
: over pair on rag board, if he gets check raised. If you call the 3bet, your
: hand is transparent. )
: If ivey allin on flop, durrrr will call with a monster, set at least(usually
: big dog). durrrr will fold his bluff hand.
:
: straight
: to
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 play his draw aggressively does not mean push so deep at flop. can raise and use his fold
equity at this situation and durr can't continue anymore. Ivey thought
for long after durr's river bet is just for show. He can't call that bet,
because his hand can't even beat all the range of a bluff. He is hoping durr
to slow down so that he could make a play in position, of course durr won't
let him. He should know better that durr can bluff 3 street then what is he waiting for with his draw hand when
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: Yeah the stacks are too deep to push the flop, on the turn I guess Ivey can
: push but his equity drops in half there. The hand would have been played
: perfectly had Ivey called the river, and he nearly did, but he's only human.
: ..
:
: your
: usually
| | | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 Bottom line is Ivey can't let go of his draws and played passively and
folded to a worse hand. There is no way he played this hand well. He is one
of my favorite player but this hand he played like those fish on NL 10$
table. | p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 12 嗯, 怎么也该flop raise一下的
one
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Bottom line is Ivey can't let go of his draws and played passively and
: folded to a worse hand. There is no way he played this hand well. He is one
: of my favorite player but this hand he played like those fish on NL 10$
: table.
| H*******n
发帖数: 914 | 13 if got reraised then what? fold?
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 嗯, 怎么也该flop raise一下的
:
: one
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 14 durrr这手牌如果碰到raise 10之89会fold, 高手又不代表没事就傻大胆,乱bluff
【在 H*******n 的大作中提到】
: if got reraised then what? fold?
| H*******n
发帖数: 914 | 15 晕，这是因为你知道他手上的牌，
ivey如果reraise，被reshove只能fold。
这样还能看两条街。
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: durrr这手牌如果碰到raise 10之89会fold, 高手又不代表没事就傻大胆,乱bluff
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 16 任何事情都是2面性的, ivey 有13个absolute outs, against a set, he is only a
small dog, 这种draw不raise 绝对不能说是一个好的打法, 当然你可以说是meta game
但是平均来说,raise 绝对好过call, 而且要big raise, at least pot size
【在 H*******n 的大作中提到】
: 晕，这是因为你知道他手上的牌，
: ivey如果reraise，被reshove只能fold。
: 这样还能看两条街。
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 17 ivey does not raise flop then raise or fold turn. Because he does not
have odds to draw on turn anymore and he can't beat a bluff on the river. If
he can't beat a bluff then don't try to catch a bluff. | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 i doubt durr will reraise all in with that, but even if he does, ivey can
call with some good good clean outs here plus catch bluff at flop. As played
, turn call is the worst play as i have explained.
【在 H*******n 的大作中提到】
: 晕，这是因为你知道他手上的牌，
: ivey如果reraise，被reshove只能fold。
: 这样还能看两条街。
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