f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 1 算是借题发挥吧。
长期，或者即使是中短期而言，扑克真的不是什么爽事，dusty也许不是象durrrr，gus
，ivey之流名声显赫，但是他的扑克business论对于绝大多数认真的玩家(不管你玩多
大的stakes)真的是不可多得的核心思想，非常成熟。
扑克就是每天定时定量的一个工作，grind in and out，重复性的做相同或者类似的决
定，适当根据对手状态做调整，在某个时段某个stake，你的edge即使有，也是很小的
，要赢钱，基本是靠足够大的量来体现，而非running hot/bad。
5BB/100听起来很容易，一把raise别人fold可能就够了。一夜手气好对手驴，连搞10个
buy-ins的经历可能很多人都有过.....这种时候，dusty说的100 buy-ins rule，甚至
大多数pros建议的50 buy-ins rule看起来都是那么的保守，那么的"没劲"不刺激。
可是当downswing不可避免的到来，连着几把AA/KK栽在对手手下，bankroll半小时就给
wipe掉一半的时候，有多少人真正能不砸桌子怪运气? 而是重新检讨自己?
durrrr从 | T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 2 打扑克跟玩股票其实是一个道理. 我说的玩股票不是象 buffet 那样玩价值, 玩长期的
, 而是玩运势, 玩 momentum.
当运势在你这边的时候, 你要尽可能利用, 利润最大化, 运不在你这边时, 你不该逆势
而为. 道理其实大家都懂, 可很多人都反其道而行之, downswing 的时候反而加码, 越
不信这邪, 而且越倾向于 gamble. 结果连底裤都输掉.
反正我现在的原则是, 赢钱后, 决不让利润跑掉. 运气坏了, 不要相信下一把会转运,
说不定下一把运气更坏. 干脆歇. 过一段时间再玩, 从小的玩起, 慢慢试水. 玩的
tight 总是没错的, low to micro stake, 玩的 tight, 长远就能赢钱.
这个星期去 AC 打 live, 拿了四次 AAs, 赢了两把, 给 crack 了两次, 不过也没有输
大, online poker 玩多了, 拿大的 pocket pair 就谨慎了很多. 不会轻易把 pot 搞
很大. | n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 3 不知道那位兄弟,long term 是赢是输,打了多少首牌了,bb/100是多少
他打100 or200 nl? 1bb/100+bonus 每月定量打,收入就算不错了
gus
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 算是借题发挥吧。
: 长期，或者即使是中短期而言，扑克真的不是什么爽事，dusty也许不是象durrrr，gus
: ，ivey之流名声显赫，但是他的扑克business论对于绝大多数认真的玩家(不管你玩多
: 大的stakes)真的是不可多得的核心思想，非常成熟。
: 扑克就是每天定时定量的一个工作，grind in and out，重复性的做相同或者类似的决
: 定，适当根据对手状态做调整，在某个时段某个stake，你的edge即使有，也是很小的
: ，要赢钱，基本是靠足够大的量来体现，而非running hot/bad。
: 5BB/100听起来很容易，一把raise别人fold可能就够了。一夜手气好对手驴，连搞10个
: buy-ins的经历可能很多人都有过.....这种时候，dusty说的100 buy-ins rule，甚至
: 大多数pros建议的50 buy-ins rule看起来都是那么的保守，那么的"没劲"不刺激。
| c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 4 打扑克本质上其实很boring的。
——————————————
agree，特别是你状态普通（B game），然后4 tabling grind的时候。 | s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 5 why downswing? He says "bad beat" only. He could hide the one, "good beats". | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 6 正常业余玩家(一周玩几次，多桌，非天天上班型)，一年也就是100K手左右，rush多一
点。
1BB/100(1000BB)的话，其实非常有限的收入，加上bonus+rake翻一倍，200NL也就是一
年一万以内。
扑克对于绝大多数人，都是指望不上的，只是娱乐别输光了裤衩而已。
象fcf那样的太凤毛鳞角了。
【在 n******1 的大作中提到】
: 不知道那位兄弟,long term 是赢是输,打了多少首牌了,bb/100是多少
: 他打100 or200 nl? 1bb/100+bonus 每月定量打,收入就算不错了
:
: gus
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 7 30stand posts more when he's in upswing...
".
【在 s*********k 的大作中提到】
: why downswing? He says "bad beat" only. He could hide the one, "good beats".
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 8 I saw him playing in NL 200 a several times. He plays tight and safe and
doesn't see flop many times in a couple hands we played.
In Rush NL200, it is tough to have a down swing, losing $500 in one day is
like nothing. Especially with the hand dealing in FTP. All big hands bump
into together quite often. I guess they need to make sure they rake the
maximum amount of $3 from us so they need us to put the money in the middle
of the table every few hands. LOL.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 30stand posts more when he's in upswing...
:
: ".
| s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 9 I have down swing also. Play +++ touney and run dry, nothing.
It is not my playing. Just some bad habits hop in alreayd. Play multiple
table without observing opponents, bet mechanically, hop in with marginal
hand etc. I am to quit for a while, except satellite to FTOPS (and FTOPS)
or weekend. | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 Poker is NOT about luck and momentum if you want to become a consistent
winner. It is about consistent play over many many hands. Fryking summarized
it very well. It is about making consistent play over 10k 100k hands. If
you are on a downswing, it is suggested to stop playing for while NOT
because you are in bad luck, but because you tend to start tilting and
making the wrong decision.
If you are a recreational player just for fun, then this is fine.
,
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: 打扑克跟玩股票其实是一个道理. 我说的玩股票不是象 buffet 那样玩价值, 玩长期的
: , 而是玩运势, 玩 momentum.
: 当运势在你这边的时候, 你要尽可能利用, 利润最大化, 运不在你这边时, 你不该逆势
: 而为. 道理其实大家都懂, 可很多人都反其道而行之, downswing 的时候反而加码, 越
: 不信这邪, 而且越倾向于 gamble. 结果连底裤都输掉.
: 反正我现在的原则是, 赢钱后, 决不让利润跑掉. 运气坏了, 不要相信下一把会转运,
: 说不定下一把运气更坏. 干脆歇. 过一段时间再玩, 从小的玩起, 慢慢试水. 玩的
: tight 总是没错的, low to micro stake, 玩的 tight, 长远就能赢钱.
: 这个星期去 AC 打 live, 拿了四次 AAs, 赢了两把, 给 crack 了两次, 不过也没有输
: 大, online poker 玩多了, 拿大的 pocket pair 就谨慎了很多. 不会轻易把 pot 搞
| | | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 There is no such thing in poker to play tight and safe except maybe wait for
AA and always all in preflop. You can't become a winner that way either.
I also think there is a misconception of how to play TAG. Playing TAG is not
wait for AA KK and go all the way after flop. Unless you put more than 1/
8th of your stack in the pot prflop already, the value of your AA KK had
changed dramatically after the flop is dealt. Playing TAG is to be
aggressive and putting lots of $$ in the pot WHEN YOU ARE
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: I saw him playing in NL 200 a several times. He plays tight and safe and
: doesn't see flop many times in a couple hands we played.
: In Rush NL200, it is tough to have a down swing, losing $500 in one day is
: like nothing. Especially with the hand dealing in FTP. All big hands bump
: into together quite often. I guess they need to make sure they rake the
: maximum amount of $3 from us so they need us to put the money in the middle
: of the table every few hands. LOL.
| n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 12 如果是业余的话,等于一年多拿1w的bonus ..
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 正常业余玩家(一周玩几次，多桌，非天天上班型)，一年也就是100K手左右，rush多一
: 点。
: 1BB/100(1000BB)的话，其实非常有限的收入，加上bonus+rake翻一倍，200NL也就是一
: 年一万以内。
: 扑克对于绝大多数人，都是指望不上的，只是娱乐别输光了裤衩而已。
: 象fcf那样的太凤毛鳞角了。
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 13 NL 25 rush 一个月1k还是可以的,每天打100-200 ftp PT. 如果可以保持胜率能升到NL100. 一年就是48k.
还是不错的.. 我是说稳定的赢. 如果生不上去, 就退回来到能稳定赢的stake, 除非你就是玩个刺激...
【在 n******1 的大作中提到】
: 如果是业余的话,等于一年多拿1w的bonus ..
| n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 14 你很厉害。。我一般就是赢得很少，然后输得很多。。一输我就戒10天半个月的。。
到NL100. 一年就是48k.
非你就是玩个刺激...
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: NL 25 rush 一个月1k还是可以的,每天打100-200 ftp PT. 如果可以保持胜率能升到NL100. 一年就是48k.
: 还是不错的.. 我是说稳定的赢. 如果生不上去, 就退回来到能稳定赢的stake, 除非你就是玩个刺激...
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 15 我打得不好. 第一个月升到rushNL25 只赢了700, 不能和fryking比. had some
major mistakes in the middle of the month, lost many stacks. 不过1k以后应该
还是可以做到的...
【在 n******1 的大作中提到】
: 你很厉害。。我一般就是赢得很少，然后输得很多。。一输我就戒10天半个月的。。
:
: 到NL100. 一年就是48k.
: 非你就是玩个刺激...
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 16 HU can not boring(,lots of runer runers) but need more skill.
【在 c**********o 的大作中提到】
: 打扑克本质上其实很boring的。
: ——————————————
: agree，特别是你状态普通（B game），然后4 tabling grind的时候。
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 17 oops, on the headline of mitbbs
gus
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 算是借题发挥吧。
: 长期，或者即使是中短期而言，扑克真的不是什么爽事，dusty也许不是象durrrr，gus
: ，ivey之流名声显赫，但是他的扑克business论对于绝大多数认真的玩家(不管你玩多
: 大的stakes)真的是不可多得的核心思想，非常成熟。
: 扑克就是每天定时定量的一个工作，grind in and out，重复性的做相同或者类似的决
: 定，适当根据对手状态做调整，在某个时段某个stake，你的edge即使有，也是很小的
: ，要赢钱，基本是靠足够大的量来体现，而非running hot/bad。
: 5BB/100听起来很容易，一把raise别人fold可能就够了。一夜手气好对手驴，连搞10个
: buy-ins的经历可能很多人都有过.....这种时候，dusty说的100 buy-ins rule，甚至
: 大多数pros建议的50 buy-ins rule看起来都是那么的保守，那么的"没劲"不刺激。
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 18 holy, i was wondering why so many ppl on this board, lol.
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: oops, on the headline of mitbbs
:
: gus
| d******u
发帖数: 142 | 19 Poker is much less fun if you treat it like business. There are so many
other things you can do to make 10k or even 100k.
Life is short and most of time boring... so enjoy it when you can. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 20 true.
【在 d******u 的大作中提到】
: Poker is much less fun if you treat it like business. There are so many
: other things you can do to make 10k or even 100k.
: Life is short and most of time boring... so enjoy it when you can.
| | | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 21 If you enjoy poker more when losing, don't win then. ^_^
But if you can't win in poker, of course you can enjoy it in other ways, otherwise why 90% of player are still playing but not winning.
【在 d******u 的大作中提到】
: Poker is much less fun if you treat it like business. There are so many
: other things you can do to make 10k or even 100k.
: Life is short and most of time boring... so enjoy it when you can.
| d******u
发帖数: 142 | 22 the funny part is that you actually win more once you are more relaxed
of losing ... volatility is higher though...
the biggest upside is that very rarely you will be tilt. I think it
gives you a much bigger benefit in long term.
ways, otherwise why 90% of player are still playing but not winning.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: If you enjoy poker more when losing, don't win then. ^_^
: But if you can't win in poker, of course you can enjoy it in other ways, otherwise why 90% of player are still playing but not winning.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 23 This is a completely different issue. Of course you play better if you don't
care about losing much and less tilt. That is why the bank roll management
comes into play. If you play at a stake that alters your play because you
can't afford to lose, then lower your stake.
What I tried to say is very simple:
Can you enjoy poker more when losing than winning? No.
Can you enjoy poker while losing? probably yes for a lot of people. But for me personally, I would
quit in a heart beat if i find out th
【在 d******u 的大作中提到】
: the funny part is that you actually win more once you are more relaxed
: of losing ... volatility is higher though...
: the biggest upside is that very rarely you will be tilt. I think it
: gives you a much bigger benefit in long term.
:
: ways, otherwise why 90% of player are still playing but not winning.
| d******u
发帖数: 142 | 24 I think the main difference is that I am quite neutral whether I am
winning or losing... think I am playing at a stake that is too small for
me but much more fun.
don't
management
you
But for me personally, I would
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: This is a completely different issue. Of course you play better if you don't
: care about losing much and less tilt. That is why the bank roll management
: comes into play. If you play at a stake that alters your play because you
: can't afford to lose, then lower your stake.
: What I tried to say is very simple:
: Can you enjoy poker more when losing than winning? No.
: Can you enjoy poker while losing? probably yes for a lot of people. But for me personally, I would
: quit in a heart beat if i find out th
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