v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 1 swing planes in downswing:
swing plane A in early part of downswing;
swing plane B in later part of downswing(leading to impact);
A is higher than B but parallel to B.
in downswing, the plane where the club shaft resides goes through a lowering
process to get from A to B. during this process, wrist remain hinged, arm-
club angle maintained. club release is mainly completed in swing plane B.
sergio garcia demo this plane lowering process so obviously, it almost looks
like he is 拖拉ing club
also ch |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 2 downswing depends on true winrate + standard deviation
the higher the winrate, the smaller your downswing will be
and the higher the SD, the bigger your swing will be, for example, more
aggressive style yields higher swing than more passive style, PLO yields
higher swing than holdem, fullring swing less than 6max, and 6max less than
HU
30+ buyin downswing is normal but rare, if your downswing hits 50bi,
probably should seriously take a look at your game before contributing it to just luck.
perso |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 3 最近坛子里水也不多，就乘机会把自己最近 downswing 的经历晾一晾，还有上半年做
一个 summery.
为什么说是上半年呢？我刚刚看了一下自己的账簿，两月份开始几乎每个星期去赌场玩
NL2/5 的，到现在差不多半年，当中有 3 个星期回国休假没打牌，实际上大概打了有
5 个半月，25 个 sessions 左右。
一直到 7 月份前还是比较顺的，一方面运气比较好，一方面今年也打的比较稳，开始
的时候几乎没有怎么输过。有一段时间连续赢了 9 个 session （赢的有小有大，但一
般输后都能够扳回来），一直到 7 月之前没有连续输过 2 个 session的。
赢当然很好，但赢的次数多，对输的思想准备就不充分。打 poker 谁都知道，到时候
该来的就会来了，真本事不是看你顺的时候打的好不好，关键是看 downswing 的时候
是不是能阵脚不乱，还是能打出水准。
现在看起来自己最多给自己打个 C-。
七月份一上来就连输 4 场，月底的时候止血赢了一场，可 八月份打了一场，又 down
了 1 k, 总共加起来，这个 downswing 我已经损失了 4.3 k.
失败是令人痛... 阅读全帖 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 4 从7月中旬开始，半个月时间，扑克账户清空，一共27个buy in。
主要原因无非三点：
1. 运气差
2. downswing的时候，打的不如赢钱的时候好，这点是肯定的，谁都逃脱不了，优秀的
选手最多做到差别很小。
3. 我的TILT问题，始终比一般人严重。
来深入谈一下牌运和心态：
我这半个月的切身感受就是，downswing时的牌运差，并不是表现在有多少bad beat上
，有当然有，但我也有bad beat别人的时候。
1. 最要命的一点，牌hit不到，不管是flop hit pair 或者 draw hit。偶尔一次hit到
大牌了，嘿嘿，别人比你更大。正是因为经常性的没有牌，偶尔来一次大牌，从心态来
说，应该是比平时更不愿意放弃，更容易overplay。
2. 因为经常性的没牌，出于某种原因，就会做一些move，NL600本来就很aggresive。
原因可能是因为ego受不了总是fold，或者，由于没牌，一直输一些中小pot, 我必须要
做些move来赢下一些pot。这时候牌运差就体现在，很多时候做move的对象，偏偏此时
有强牌。这样的结果就是极端的frustrating... 阅读全帖 |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 5 actually, from my experience, there is no way you can do something about ur
two-feet when you initiate your downswing.
it does start from hip rotation. once you have a rotated hip (from open
position to close), your shoulder/arm naturally drop. so this is called hip-
initiated downswing.
However, since hip arc is much shorter than the shoulder/arm acr (which was
the backswing you've done.) shoulder/arm has to fasten to catch up the hip
to make sure the square club fact in the impact. -- this is |
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m****n
发帖数: 815 | 6 打了三个多月吧，前一阵能稳定在110-120如果用7号铁，打的基本也算直线。但是我
swing当中有个major flaw就是downswing是手臂开始的，所以从这周开始练习用hip来
initiate downswing。结果变得完全不会打了，70%全打浅了，地滚。
我个人觉得我用hip，结果就变成提胯，结果杆子下来的时候就打浅了。还有就是头抬
的过早，但是这是令外一个问题。
让人沮丧的一周。
p.s.顺便加一句，我是half swing。 |
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 7 don't blame it all to luck neither.
I had a 20 buy-in downswing and a 12 buy-in downswing recently. I certainly
ran pretty bad, but I also played bad. If i could avoid some obvious mistake
, it wouldn't be that bad.
As long as you can put in enough hands, the luck factor can cancel out
pretty easily, at least for online players since we generally play much more
hands per hour. If your true win rate is high enough, it won't take too
many hands to get out of the bad run.
For online players I highl |
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 8 i always took a break when i ran really bad.
downswing is kind of good for our game because it makes us inspect our game
play more carefully. Lots of times when we don't have this luck problem we
tend to ignore our mistakes, or at least don't pay enough attention to them.
Then when we start to run bad, we realize that if we can put those mistakes
in control, it can make the downswing so much easier to overcome.
long
it'
next |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 9 Several buyin downswing is in the normal range.
Normal speaking, the big downswing could be triggered by several different
conditions,
1. move up level
2. mix up with some new moves
3. get involved in new games
4. play more aggressively
5. tilt
6. bad luck streak
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 I know some might not like my suggestion here. i also don't really think we
should change our play due to downswings.
But sometimes, you can and should tighten yourself up if you feel that you
are on a tilt mode due to downswing. Putting youself in marginal situations
less can help you stop the bleeding. Some ways of play give you bigger swings
and some give you less swings. Playing the hands defensively more
than trying to be too aggressive can help.
Remember "big hand big pot, small hand small |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 11 1. Learn how to quit. It is not easy because in a downswing, you always try
to get back to the game and "try to get your money back", and online poker
makes it so easy for you to get back in the game, in the end it just make it
easier for you to donate money to others
2. Withdraw most of your winning out and only leave a couple of buy-in in
your account. When I played in Lock, I never leave more than 12 full buy-in
in my poker account. When I hit 12 full buy-in, I just cash out and only
leave 2 ... 阅读全帖 |
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 12 don't blame it all to luck neither.
I had a 20 buy-in downswing and a 12 buy-in downswing recently. I certainly
ran pretty bad, but I also played bad. If i could avoid some obvious mistake
, it wouldn't be that bad.
As long as you can put in enough hands, the luck factor can cancel out
pretty easily, at least for online players since we generally play much more
hands per hour. If your true win rate is high enough, it won't take too
many hands to get out of the bad run.
For online players I highl |
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 13 i always took a break when i ran really bad.
downswing is kind of good for our game because it makes us inspect our game
play more carefully. Lots of times when we don't have this luck problem we
tend to ignore our mistakes, or at least don't pay enough attention to them.
Then when we start to run bad, we realize that if we can put those mistakes
in control, it can make the downswing so much easier to overcome.
long
it'
next |
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a******n
发帖数: 202 | 14 I watched ET's swing video, very impressive.
Have a question: Once at the top, which part of body should initiate the
movement of downswing? I checked many books but each has different opinion.
Would anybody discuss this issue?
Also, it seems ET’s swing finishes high. Is it true you would finish the
irons on high position too? |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 15 "golf swing starts from groud up." - it is kind of well known, even not
everyone knows what it means.
Rotating the hip intiates the downswing, period.
I confess I started from the hand at the top of my swing, judged from my
swing video i posted. but it's not my real swing, also i am still working on
my swing. |
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j*****j
发帖数: 290 | 16 My recent swing, downswing start from two feet, and then knees and then hip
and upbody, don't know it is right? remember someone say start from turning
hip?
What is your opion and experience?
thanks!! |
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m****n
发帖数: 815 | 17 行了，功力又回来了。上周真以为废了。现在downswing是用hip开始，但是还是经常忘。
上周的问题是首先刚上杆手腕就开始break，其次就是头也跟着晃。现在让头不动了，
就有准了。 |
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t******b
发帖数: 56 | 18 Thanks for sharing them with me. I have a normal job, poker tilt is starting
to affect it. Looking at my poker history, I played too many hands, tried to
bluff too many times, called down way too many pots with second-best hands,
gave too little credit to perceived fishes, had too much ego and fancy play
syndromes. I have to say, having a downswing alone all by myself is making
my life miserable. I need to relax and have a life outside poker. |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 19 我现在也是一个大的 downswing. 前一段时间赢的全输回去了 and some. 现在到了逢
打必输的地步.
今年总的来说还是输的, 而且还输了不少.
poker bad beat 总是有的, 但我觉得头几次 bad beat 自己心态还好, 但多几次被人
drew out , 输了很多钱后, 无形中自己的心态的确起了变化. 表现在不该 loose 的情
况下变得很 loose, 看牌多了, chase draw 也多了, 而在自己 ahead 的情况下又变的
很 timid, 不敢放钱进去, 拍被又一次 draw out. 总之 play way out of my style,
pretty much messed up.
我的办法是我要停止打一段时间. 感觉自己心态坏了, 在一个大黑洞里, 爬不出来,信
心全无. 这种情况下干什么事都得砸锅. 或者我会把打牌次数减到一个月打一次, 每次
buy-in 不超过 300. 基本在我经济承受范围之内. 受重伤之后, 就得疗伤. wish
everyone luck |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 20 i suffered a big downswing yesterday too.
flopped set got rivered 3 times, TT set under JJ set once, AA got cracked by
Q4s once.
sigh...
as for your KK, i guess 3BB is too small, i normally do 4.5x+. his 3 bet
indicates he doesn't believe you, after that, you got only 1 option.
i punch a lot of those EP 2x, 3x guys, and 90% of time, they'll fold. most
of them are blocking bets with QJs or 88 alike, you just can't give them a
cheap flop, AND invite more speculators to come in.
this morning i coll |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 21 算是借题发挥吧。
长期，或者即使是中短期而言，扑克真的不是什么爽事，dusty也许不是象durrrr，gus
，ivey之流名声显赫，但是他的扑克business论对于绝大多数认真的玩家(不管你玩多
大的stakes)真的是不可多得的核心思想，非常成熟。
扑克就是每天定时定量的一个工作，grind in and out，重复性的做相同或者类似的决
定，适当根据对手状态做调整，在某个时段某个stake，你的edge即使有，也是很小的
，要赢钱，基本是靠足够大的量来体现，而非running hot/bad。
5BB/100听起来很容易，一把raise别人fold可能就够了。一夜手气好对手驴，连搞10个
buy-ins的经历可能很多人都有过.....这种时候，dusty说的100 buy-ins rule，甚至
大多数pros建议的50 buy-ins rule看起来都是那么的保守，那么的"没劲"不刺激。
可是当downswing不可避免的到来，连着几把AA/KK栽在对手手下，bankroll半小时就给
wipe掉一半的时候，有多少人真正能不砸桌子怪运气? 而是重新检讨自己?
durrrr从 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 22 打扑克跟玩股票其实是一个道理. 我说的玩股票不是象 buffet 那样玩价值, 玩长期的
, 而是玩运势, 玩 momentum.
当运势在你这边的时候, 你要尽可能利用, 利润最大化, 运不在你这边时, 你不该逆势
而为. 道理其实大家都懂, 可很多人都反其道而行之, downswing 的时候反而加码, 越
不信这邪, 而且越倾向于 gamble. 结果连底裤都输掉.
反正我现在的原则是, 赢钱后, 决不让利润跑掉. 运气坏了, 不要相信下一把会转运,
说不定下一把运气更坏. 干脆歇. 过一段时间再玩, 从小的玩起, 慢慢试水. 玩的
tight 总是没错的, low to micro stake, 玩的 tight, 长远就能赢钱.
这个星期去 AC 打 live, 拿了四次 AAs, 赢了两把, 给 crack 了两次, 不过也没有输
大, online poker 玩多了, 拿大的 pocket pair 就谨慎了很多. 不会轻易把 pot 搞
很大. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 23 why downswing? He says "bad beat" only. He could hide the one, "good beats". |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 24 Poker is NOT about luck and momentum if you want to become a consistent
winner. It is about consistent play over many many hands. Fryking summarized
it very well. It is about making consistent play over 10k 100k hands. If
you are on a downswing, it is suggested to stop playing for while NOT
because you are in bad luck, but because you tend to start tilting and
making the wrong decision.
If you are a recreational player just for fun, then this is fine.
, |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 25 各位高手们入门时期碰到的最大的downswing都有多少（占bankroll的%）？这两天输掉
好几个
buyin了...感觉ftp故意rig我... |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 26 a few buy-ins are nothing, not even downswing. you should only worry when
you're down like 20+ buy-ins.
again, bankroll management is the key, you should have at least 50 buy-ins
for the level, otherwise you'll easily get tilted or scared, and play bad
poker. |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 27
总结得真好
我最近的downswing 就是 2,4,5,6 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 28 new move means new weapon. In the long run, you will win money. in case you
will move one level up in the near future, or just improve your game.
Just like 3bet, or 4bet light, it will increase the chance of downswing, but
you have to incorporate it into your game. Even the 3bet ranges' changing can be new moves.
Another example is your openning ranges: you will call q8o from the blinds, but new moves may need you to call q5o in the blinds. more marginal situation. So, you need to play post play |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 29 lol, I am on the valley of a roller coaster. Most downswings happen on HU
and SNG.
I am refreshing and try to learn sth new about the SNG. I am aware that I
make a lot of mistakes on SNGs.
How about you, fryKings? |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 30 要说一点的事，总体上说我说的三付牌，对手都比较 tight. 总体上也属于 passive
的。象这些人给你 action, lead out bet 或者主动 raise, 一般他们都有很强的牌。
这种人其实很好打，他们如果给你 action, 其实就等于底牌告诉你， 可恰好我也有
strong hand , 如果不是在输钱，应该能 fold 掉。
运气不好的时候的确动摇信心的，而且我发现 downswing 的时候，有好多 setup hand
, 也就是说自己有强牌，人家能 draw 到更强的牌，或者已经有更大的牌等着，that
is call running bad .
I
situations
distribution. |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 31 set over set 的那付，其实就是根据我对手的 range 来判断的。
我对手是个 ABC player , on a board with 3, 5 , 7 ， 什么牌能让他 lead out
bet, 面对一个 raise , 还能再 massive reraise , commit half of his chip into
the pot when we both pretty deep ? he started with 500+, I have 800.
除了 77s, 46, 33s , 或许还可能 68s, str and flush draw. 但我觉得 68s, 对于他
来说，也很可能就 call 一个raise, 不会再 over the top , 先 commit 自己的。
所以我只把他放 三手牌上， 77,33, 46, 三手牌中，我只 crash bishop一手牌，被另
一手牌 crash , 余下的一手牌我可以 draw out, but no correct odds .
我最后还是 shove , 因为我从来没有 fold 过 middl... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 32 downswing 还是个人打法的normal variance 被tilt 稍稍放大。 有时候其实也是说
不清的。 赢多了就是expectation， 正常发挥水平， 输了就全怪tilt， 发挥失常，
本身也不一定正确。 扑克edge本来也没那么大，来来回回， 最后的赢率一般也就这么
点。 心态和expectation 要控制好。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.6 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 33 年度总结
[X] Start playing rush cash game to clear deposit bonus for new account
[X] Move away from 9 person SNG to cash
[X] Become a winner at cash game
[X] Move from NL 10 to NL 100 over the year
[ ] Stop being a bank roll nit
[ ] Stop being a nit
[X] Play 460K hands (around 600-700 hours)
[X] Win at all level played
[X] Win every month including rakeback/bonus
[ ] Win every month without rakeback/bonus
[ ] Level up to NL 200
[X] Finish my original goal of 5k earning
[X} Finish 1... 阅读全帖 |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 34 good eyes.. 其实我是挺想backswing就跟downswing用的plane一样，但似乎不是那样。
如果说那个swing plane更make sense的话，downswing那个应该是the way to go.
就如我说我现在的iron 有很大的问题，其中就是因为我的backswing 不自然的变成我
不想要的更平，我前些日子怀疑是因为我联系chipping & pitching 的缘故，这在我
msn space 上提到过。
总之，如果我想的话，我想我的backswing 和downswing在一个平面；比如从2月到5月
的动作，那是我最自信的时候。 现在，我的iron全靠我的downswing平面正确，但遇到
些tough lie或者来自从右向左的风的时候，就会出现问题。
我对driver， 也是我一直喜欢我那个cobra mspeed的原因，就是因为它能帮我set up
backswing plane very well. just boost my confidence from its head design。
这个r5相对open 的头让我可能做了些c |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 35 Plus soleeye encounter a lot of huge downswings. At least two 500$
downswings, four $300+ downswings.
Consider the average winning rate for 1 game is only 1$, 500$ downswing is
just huge. I gona get heart attack.
But I did nothing wrong, the same play. But the luck runs like crap. Do not
know how many bad beats already.
From those curves you can tell everything. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 36 这个月经历了打牌以来最大的downswing 12 buy in in 2 days,然后在以后3 天里在小
幅反弹回6个buyin 后又第2次探底到15个buy in down over all. 这是我今年300k+ 手
牌后最大的downswing. 以前最多只有4 buy in down,也是屈指可数..
我当时觉得这个月几乎是不可能赢利了, 只希望可以报住平局, 同时在downswing 中找
到几个leak 来fix. 几个preflop 3 bet/4 bet 中的致命leak, 我很快就意识到了(虽
然downswing 不全是这些leak 造成的), 也有意fix 了一下.
终于经过艰难爬坡差不多爬上最高坡, 这个月也突破重重困难, 盈利+rakeback, 接近1
千.. 自觉是一个小奇迹..
有图有真相,今年战绩. see the big double dip in the end...... |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 37 这个月经历了打牌以来最大的downswing. lost 9 buy in in 1 days, another 3 buy-
in in following 2 days,然后在以后5 天里在大幅反弹回10个buyin. 后又第2次探底
到lose $2000 in a single one day!!! (6 buyin in NL100 and $1400 went to
NL200, sigh... will not touch NL200 for a while). 这是我今年最大的downswing
. 以前最多只有4 buy in down,也是屈指可数..我当时觉得这个月几乎是不可能赢利
了, 只希望可以报住平局, 同时在downswing 中找到几个leak 来fix. 几个preflop 3
bet/4 bet 中的致命leak, 我很快就意识到了(虽然downswing 不全是这些leak 造成
的), 也有意fix 了一下.
终于经过艰难爬坡差不多爬上最高坡, 这个月也突破重重困难,
Cash盈利:400
Toney盈利:1500
rakeback: 45... 阅读全帖 |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 38 I am not happy with what I am doing either this month...
My initial goal was 5k total this month including RB, so it's about 4.2K
profit if we consider $800 RB. I set it pretty high but it's still
reasonable based on my last month's trend...
I thought I can reach it as I got 2.5k profit in 10 days, then the first
downswing came, which blow 2.1k away in one day. I thought I could not reach
my goal any more. However I got this 2.1k back in a week and reach the
monthly high 3.3K profit around 3rd w... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 39 the downswings are a lot to take. i had 1.5k last month. 2k this month. I
don't play as much but I pretty much lost all my profit with that... It is
like a cycle and hope to land on the right foot by the end of a month. I
lost most of my motivation since my last month's downswing. I don't think I
have fully recovered yet...Now another one~~~ since you are still up a lot
this month. This should keep your spirit up at least.
Have you thought about how the big downswing happens? I never run like... 阅读全帖 |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 40 也很难你说的对不对，或者对我来说就是不对。
因为到这个阶段了，没什么统一标准， whatever it takes to work , stick on it.
比如说，downswing这个，downswing能多快有arm/shoulder rotation决定的，它和hip
rotation之间的timing是关键。如果我hip rotation不是那么快的，我downswing的动
作10之8、9会讲球pull it out..而我的hip rotation是由我的爆发力决定的，如果我
有很好的爆发力，我这个动作绝对能讲球送到近300码的地方。
关于重心移动， i gotta tell you, this part is my favoriate one..首先我不承认
我有重心移动，另外是，你看到我有个upright的upbody， 而且我的balance 相当相当
好，按照我的搭档scotty 的话说， LJ can hold his position up to 4 hours.
我身体没有reverse c, 我很高兴这点， 这意味着我的背不会因此suffer，特别是长 |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 41 not one plane? it looks so much one-plane for me.. backswing and downswing..
i can do the downswing ..i am working on my backswing now.. like those
commment, he hinged his wrist in the backswing to make sure it's a upright
swing plane, for the downswing part, the hip rotation and arm rotation are
the key timing thing. the rest thing is: swing-down-to-the-line..
still, fundamental and tempo are keys to get there steadily..
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 42 比起上次我贴的driver swing,
本质上没啥差别，因为我downswing没变，区别可能是，我driver的动作，那时是相当
的自信，所以都是full-extension, 现在我改动作的过程中， 我backswing的注意力还
相当关注在backswing和contact， 所以follow-through 可能更不上，显得有区别。
我认为这依然还是个变化的过程。如果我很舒服我的backswing的话，我在做downswing
时能更rotate hip first， ，这样就能看到一个upright的body.
里面几个iron swing 的正面，其实也看得出没啥区别。但hip initating downswing不
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z***u
发帖数: 115 | 43 瞎说一点啊，全作讨论。老大在downswing的时候右脚跟好像还是抬的早了点，我自己
的感觉是downswing开始的时候，右脚别踮的太早。否则右肩会过早外转，downswing会
变得比较steep。
老马动作很舒展，肩膀转动幅度相当大，看finish的样子就了解这厮柔韧性很好。but
也可能就因为太过于active，导致不consistent。
is
consistency. |
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z***u
发帖数: 115 | 44 扭头能让你的上身多转几度，但问题是你的下半身也跟着转了不少，这并不能让你在距
离上得到什么便宜。距离的关键是上下半身之间的扭矩，而不是单纯的你上半身能多转
多少。尽量stable和resistant的下半身转动加上较短的上半身转动不但效率高，而且
稳定性也高。当然每个人fitness不一样，改动作是很痛苦的。
保持spine angle是非常fundamental的东西，说到底是个plane的问题。如果你经常
chunk的话，说明挥杆平面有问题。和业余球友们下杆spine angle普遍变直相反，很多
pro下杆的时候spine angle甚至会稍稍变大一点，tiger的挥杆就最明显不过了。
想想怎样initialize你的downswing。backswing到top的时候，你会有一定程度的hip
turn，initialize downswing应该是你左边的hip向后转，同时千万不要把右边的hip往
前挺，一挺出去，你的spine angle就没有了。为什么大家说在刚开始downswing的时候
，右脚跟要贴地，其实就是为了保持这个spine angle。 |
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发帖数: 674 | 45 ET 真是说到点子上了。呵呵
因为最近在改contact的问题，也就没注意头+spine移动，跟腿左右晃荡的问题。其实
这俩问题一直都有，要一起改的话难免改了这头忘了那头。 不过现在contact进步不少
，下一步就该改两个中间的一个或者一起改了。
还有一个问题ET没提到的就是shoulder turn太多，虽然Vijay Singh也有很大的
shoulder turn,但是对俺们average joe来说 backswing 到downswing衔接转换不好的
话，也很容易造成inconsistency。 还没想好到底要减少一点shoulder turn还是
backswing完了以后停顿一下再downswing。
对这一点ET有啥建议没？
downswing 杆头落后于手，这个不足在改进contact的时候稍微好了一点，但是还是做
不到tiger 跟gacia 那种特别明显的lag。这个也的以后慢慢改。
最后一个问题就是 two swing plane 跟 one swing plane。 是不是woods 跟长铁容易
做到two swing plane, 短铁跟wedges都是 |
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发帖数: 412 | 46 Some major things need to pay attention:
(1) backswing: take away the club inside the target line
(2) Backswing plane is too shallow and looks like the club is shaking or
swaying during the backswing. Keep it in the plane (you may need to check
your grip) by using wrist hinge
(3) downswing: a little reverse pivot. Use the hip rotation to initialize
the downswing. Shift the center gravity to the left leg/foot in the
downswing
(4) Seems like you don't have the early release problem as I do, I woul... 阅读全帖 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 47 "I keep hitting the
ground first before hitting the ball"
shoulder turn may be too early/quick during downswing, try to delay
shoulder turn. 3wood swing requires more slightly more
aggressive/athletic move, so when you return to iron, you may still in aggressive mode, which may translates to quicker turn.
use a couple of practice swing to brush brass before iron shot. use 3/4
swing. these should help to prevent your error to some degree.
axis of downswing arc is the left side of body ( left f... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3356 | 48 同意。也对应的写我最近的一些打driver的感受（我的driver总是slice，基本打不出
draw来）
1.在向右转体的时候肩膀在右髋的里面，所以身体基本是直的。这个动作没有想象中需
要的那么大。
2.backswing的过程中左臂要伸直并且尽量向正右方stretch。
3.downswing的平面要低于backswing的平面。
4.downswing的过程中左臂还是要伸直，感觉划出一个大圈。
5.打完了球有一点followup。左臂不要紧着往回收/弯。
另外有两个drill，
1.向下1寸左右握杆。杆越短越容易控制。
2.aim的时候club face稍微open一点。
then
always
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b*******2
发帖数: 412 | 49 我一直尝试JIM HARDY的ONE PLANE SWING，来来回回摸索一年了，我平时的教练也不教
ONE PLANE SWING，很多时候自己思索和尝试。最近有所顿悟，挥杆质量提高不少，而
且发现他书里提到的东西和实际有出入，比如matt kuchar就一直用ONE PLANE SWING，
但在DOWNSWING的时候，一些动作和书里提的完全不一样，后来我听一些PRO说，一些真
正的要点，plane truth 只在他们的CLINIC 里才提到。在尝试中，我发现书中在back
swing 和DOWN SWING 方面有两点特别误导的地方。如果有尝试ONE PLANE swing的球友
，觉得很别扭的地方，我们可以一直交流学习。
那种SWING其实不重要，重要的是IMPACT。JIM HARDY提到的ONE/TWO PLANE swing我都
试过，总的来说，TWO PLANE SWING对节奏和TIMING要求多些，所以有些时候听到今天
80出头，过几天就上90了，挥杆找不到感觉，主要是节奏和TIMING的问题。还有什么
ROTARY SWING，其实都差不多。MOE NORMA... 阅读全帖 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 50 I get so frustrated on soleeyeboy's games. Because I open it one week ago, I
put so many hours(yeah, 800 games already in just one week, compare I play
1100 games under pokeryjj using at least 3 weeks) into it. But the crap
gives me ridiculous downswings.
550$ downswing 2 times, As you may know, I play 35$ buyin games only, 550$
is equal to 15 games.
In HU sng, ppl only get 20 buyin for their entire bankroll. 15 games
downswing means that he is broken already.
It is so annoying and frustrating. |
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