f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 1 a hand from yesterday:
i got red QQ in MP.
EP bets 3x, i pop up to 9x, LP calls, EP calls (we all have 100BB).
flop: AcQc7s
EP checks, i bet 2/3 pot, LP shoves, EP tanks and calls.
any idea? | N***R
发帖数: 222 | | p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 3 shove
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: a hand from yesterday:
: i got red QQ in MP.
: EP bets 3x, i pop up to 9x, LP calls, EP calls (we all have 100BB).
: flop: AcQc7s
: EP checks, i bet 2/3 pot, LP shoves, EP tanks and calls.
: any idea?
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 If LP is very good, he could well have AA. if he is very bad, then i put him
on 7s or AQ or AK even possible, if he has a flush draw then he is the worst fish possible.. EP is flush draw or 7s.. I do not feel good when LP shove if he is a good reg. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 5 sigh, sadly my monster becomes drawing dead in this one.
LP is indeed like his ID, "DirtyDraw....", he turns over 8c9c, lol.
EP is a guy who i don't have notes/stats on, he turns over AA.
LP sucks out on two sets with 5c on the turn, blank river.
him
worst fish possible.. EP is flush draw or 7s.. I do not feel good when LP
shove if he is a good reg.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: If LP is very good, he could well have AA. if he is very bad, then i put him
: on 7s or AQ or AK even possible, if he has a flush draw then he is the worst fish possible.. EP is flush draw or 7s.. I do not feel good when LP shove if he is a good reg.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 both EP and LP are very very bad, even though the results make LP look like
a genius... EP eats his own medicine and can't complain to anyone even though on the flop he looks like a genius.
well there might be argument for EP's play but since he is out of position I like a 4 bet to make it simple, even if it is a mini 4 bet to 23-24Xbb range. | g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 7 EP is behind you for sure. If LP is donk/fish, easy call.
If LP is regs, does LP have AA? very possible...AQ/77 call 9x pre? maybe not
. Fush draw? only royal Fush draw? but still call 9x pre with KJs/KTs is bad
play.
I will still call here given 100BB only and 3 ways all in. you lose to AA
only and the chance he has AA is very high(80%?) but still worth to call.
Pot is 28BB after flop and you bet 18BB on flop. You invest 27BB already,
leave only 63 BB.
Put rest of 63BB to get 300BB pot.--> close to 80%
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: a hand from yesterday:
: i got red QQ in MP.
: EP bets 3x, i pop up to 9x, LP calls, EP calls (we all have 100BB).
: flop: AcQc7s
: EP checks, i bet 2/3 pot, LP shoves, EP tanks and calls.
: any idea?
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 8 一个reg call 9x with AA ,这么烂的玩法也能算reg?
not
bad
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: EP is behind you for sure. If LP is donk/fish, easy call.
: If LP is regs, does LP have AA? very possible...AQ/77 call 9x pre? maybe not
: . Fush draw? only royal Fush draw? but still call 9x pre with KJs/KTs is bad
: play.
: I will still call here given 100BB only and 3 ways all in. you lose to AA
: only and the chance he has AA is very high(80%?) but still worth to call.
: Pot is 28BB after flop and you bet 18BB on flop. You invest 27BB already,
: leave only 63 BB.
: Put rest of 63BB to get 300BB pot.--> close to 80%
| g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 9 KAO!!
Totally wrong~~~ looks like we have more fish than we expected...
not
bad
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: EP is behind you for sure. If LP is donk/fish, easy call.
: If LP is regs, does LP have AA? very possible...AQ/77 call 9x pre? maybe not
: . Fush draw? only royal Fush draw? but still call 9x pre with KJs/KTs is bad
: play.
: I will still call here given 100BB only and 3 ways all in. you lose to AA
: only and the chance he has AA is very high(80%?) but still worth to call.
: Pot is 28BB after flop and you bet 18BB on flop. You invest 27BB already,
: leave only 63 BB.
: Put rest of 63BB to get 300BB pot.--> close to 80%
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 10 正好2个bad play 一起,没啥,move on, EP 居然不4 bet.... 鲸鱼!
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: sigh, sadly my monster becomes drawing dead in this one.
: LP is indeed like his ID, "DirtyDraw....", he turns over 8c9c, lol.
: EP is a guy who i don't have notes/stats on, he turns over AA.
: LP sucks out on two sets with 5c on the turn, blank river.
:
: him
: worst fish possible.. EP is flush draw or 7s.. I do not feel good when LP
: shove if he is a good reg.
| | | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 11 i don't like his preflop flatting at all, even against 2 random hands, out
of position postflop is not something AA wants. the vast majority of time,
it's still a single pair hand on the flop.
like
though on the flop he looks like a genius.
I like a 4 bet to make it simple, even if it is a mini 4 bet to 23-24Xbb
range.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: both EP and LP are very very bad, even though the results make LP look like
: a genius... EP eats his own medicine and can't complain to anyone even though on the flop he looks like a genius.
: well there might be argument for EP's play but since he is out of position I like a 4 bet to make it simple, even if it is a mini 4 bet to 23-24Xbb range.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 You have not been burned in NL 100 by someone cold calling 3 bet with AA? I
did ... lol I think it is a very good play if someone open 3 bet MP or EP especially with position, because you can blend in with those fishes who will cold call 3 bet with AK JJ QQ.. lol.. very decieving...
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 一个reg call 9x with AA ,这么烂的玩法也能算reg?
:
: not
: bad
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 13 hehe, you haven't been burned in NL 100 by cold calling 3 bet with AA?
I
EP especially with position, because you can blend in with those fishes who
will cold call 3 bet with AK JJ QQ.. lol.. very decieving...
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: You have not been burned in NL 100 by someone cold calling 3 bet with AA? I
: did ... lol I think it is a very good play if someone open 3 bet MP or EP especially with position, because you can blend in with those fishes who will cold call 3 bet with AK JJ QQ.. lol.. very decieving...
| s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 14 I saw this at RUSH and MTT. It can be tricky.
If raise 3X, the orig. raiser highly would fold (if 3X is more than 1/8 of
stack for PP).
If flat call, if the orig. raise hit set which is hard to tell, AA with
position
could sit in black.
If calculate the EV, the 2nd approach gives more value (I guess) but with a
risk.
I
EP especially with position, because you can blend in with those fishes who
will cold call 3 bet with AK JJ QQ.. lol.. very decieving...
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: You have not been burned in NL 100 by someone cold calling 3 bet with AA? I
: did ... lol I think it is a very good play if someone open 3 bet MP or EP especially with position, because you can blend in with those fishes who will cold call 3 bet with AK JJ QQ.. lol.. very decieving...
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 15 I don't usually cold calling 3 bet with AA, but I feel that I am folding out
AK KK way too much by cold 4 betting even it is mini-4 betting to 23-24X
range. maybe shoving pre will get more calls? i don't know..
If utg opens with a tight range and utg+1 3 bets who are relatively tight. I
feel this is a spot where you could really fold out KK preflop. When their
range is pretty clear cut and you have position, I think you can play post
flop and stack them with an all small card flop like 344 or something. Need
to do this with causion and rarely but i see merits in it. You also give
utg a chance to spazz out with QQ KK AK, because he sees your money in the pot as dead
money and he does not think you have AA.
who
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: hehe, you haven't been burned in NL 100 by cold calling 3 bet with AA?
:
: I
: EP especially with position, because you can blend in with those fishes who
: will cold call 3 bet with AK JJ QQ.. lol.. very decieving...
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 Remember, if you know both of them have big pocket pair or AK, your AA is
like bottom set post flop. it is like you hit bottom set 2s before the
flop is dealt vs 2 big pair... How nice? lol
out
I
their
post
Need
pot as dead
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: I don't usually cold calling 3 bet with AA, but I feel that I am folding out
: AK KK way too much by cold 4 betting even it is mini-4 betting to 23-24X
: range. maybe shoving pre will get more calls? i don't know..
: If utg opens with a tight range and utg+1 3 bets who are relatively tight. I
: feel this is a spot where you could really fold out KK preflop. When their
: range is pretty clear cut and you have position, I think you can play post
: flop and stack them with an all small card flop like 344 or something. Need
: to do this with causion and rarely but i see merits in it. You also give
: utg a chance to spazz out with QQ KK AK, because he sees your money in the pot as dead
: money and he does not think you have AA.
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 17 how do you know they have pig pairs? I raise with 22/33/44/55 utg all the
time for example
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Remember, if you know both of them have big pocket pair or AK, your AA is
: like bottom set post flop. it is like you hit bottom set 2s before the
: flop is dealt vs 2 big pair... How nice? lol
:
: out
: I
: their
: post
: Need
: pot as dead
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 First of all, I do not advocate cold call 3 bet with AA and I don't even think
I have done it. I just want to say that I see the merit in it and some
regular would do it too sometimes.
Let us construct the perfect example here.
Lets say nitfish Windstormm raise 3$ utg with a vpip of 10/6 raising only 3%
utg, should we say it is pretty clear he has AQ JJ+? Now someone with
pretty wide 3 betting range 3 bet 11X at CO. And we cold call with AA on the
button. Now what would windstormm do if he is holding AK/KK/QQ? Now if we
cold 4 bet to 25X what would windstormm do if he is holding these? CO here
is a wide card but he should still have fairly strong holding here since he
3 bet a nit here. I think this is a perfect place to cold call 3 bet to let
utg spazz out preflop or stack both of them post flop with an all small card
board.
What is so special with this example?
1) everyone have fairly clear range.
2) you could fold out 2 strong hand preflop by cold 4 betting.
3) you have position, you should still extract fairly big value post flop.
obviously if you can not fold post flop when they do hit set, you should not be playing like this.
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: how do you know they have pig pairs? I raise with 22/33/44/55 utg all the
: time for example
| g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 19 It's 3 bet here, not UTG raise.
If I know the range of 3 better(QQ+ or AK), I can certainly flat with my AA.
Indeed this is the most range of the 3 better.
For people who like to 3 bet light with wide range, I will 4 bet with my AA
for sure.
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: how do you know they have pig pairs? I raise with 22/33/44/55 utg all the
: time for example
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 20 但是你raise 3bb, 然后对方9bb,有人cold call 9bb,你fold small pair么?
你们都假设know the range, king在文章里面可没提过他知道对方的range, 他知道
range也不用苦恼了,直接fold了事
AA.
AA
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: It's 3 bet here, not UTG raise.
: If I know the range of 3 better(QQ+ or AK), I can certainly flat with my AA.
: Indeed this is the most range of the 3 better.
: For people who like to 3 bet light with wide range, I will 4 bet with my AA
: for sure.
| | | g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 21 we are talking about the LP AA hand, right? Flat with AA in LP when some one
3 bet in MP is not a bad move. At this moment, LP is pretty sure the range
of the 3 better. Whether EP will call or not is a different question.
【 在 patrickcp (梨叔) 的大作中提到: 】 | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 22 I can tell you I have been put in the same situation of UTG's position when
I had AK. I would have folded to a 4 bet easily but I shoved instead when
button flat, i probably would do the same with KK. button only had QQ that
time. But imagine that he did have AA. Now I think of it flatting 3 bet
button is awfully strong. You also blend in very well with all the fish to
flat at this spot with QQ JJ AK which is very stupid move. | p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 23 你仔细去看,LP是8c9c, EP才是AA,EP这里flat 无论如何都是个bad move, imo
one
range
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: we are talking about the LP AA hand, right? Flat with AA in LP when some one
: 3 bet in MP is not a bad move. At this moment, LP is pretty sure the range
: of the 3 better. Whether EP will call or not is a different question.
: 【 在 patrickcp (梨叔) 的大作中提到: 】
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 24 I agree with you. EP should not be flatting since he is out of position.
Hard to extract value that way. or fold when you are beat.
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 你仔细去看,LP是8c9c, EP才是AA,EP这里flat 无论如何都是个bad move, imo
:
: one
: range
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 25 Mathmatically, The AA guy is a huge favor over the other two hands.
QQ is drawing nearly dead, the flush draw guy is just a gambler and a huge
underdog as well, this world is full of them.
Yeah, the only way you chase him out maybe the re-shove all-in preflop, but
I see hands like three way all-in and the one guy has 55s over QQs, AAs. Of
course full tilt gave the guy set and he took the pot. You never know if he
will be in or not.
Put me on top set over middle set and flush draw everyday. I'd like love to
be in this situation.
BTW, if he slow plays set AAs on the flop, then it is a bad ply. Preflop,
you need to add some of the monster in your calling range to be deceptive. | g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 26 yes, EP AA flat is bad move.
If you read my post carfully, I assume LP has AA not EP.
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 你仔细去看,LP是8c9c, EP才是AA,EP这里flat 无论如何都是个bad move, imo
:
: one
: range
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 27 but reality is EP has AA, and I assume we are discussing king's hand, right?
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: yes, EP AA flat is bad move.
: If you read my post carfully, I assume LP has AA not EP.
| g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 28 I thought you dont think LP should be a reg if he flat AA in LP....
EP bad play...
LP not a bad play...
"一个reg call 9x with AA ,这么烂的玩法也能算reg?"
not
bad
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: EP is behind you for sure. If LP is donk/fish, easy call.
: If LP is regs, does LP have AA? very possible...AQ/77 call 9x pre? maybe not
: . Fush draw? only royal Fush draw? but still call 9x pre with KJs/KTs is bad
: play.
: I will still call here given 100BB only and 3 ways all in. you lose to AA
: only and the chance he has AA is very high(80%?) but still worth to call.
: Pot is 28BB after flop and you bet 18BB on flop. You invest 27BB already,
: leave only 63 BB.
: Put rest of 63BB to get 300BB pot.--> close to 80%
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 29 对啊,他3x, king 9x, 有人cold call 9x, 他然后再flat call 9x, 这么烂的玩法也能
算reg? 我就是没一句一句详细写下来.... 我以为我们是讨论的king的这手,那我说了
AA call 9x怎么也不可能理解为LP是AA吧...
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: I thought you dont think LP should be a reg if he flat AA in LP....
: EP bad play...
: LP not a bad play...
: "一个reg call 9x with AA ,这么烂的玩法也能算reg?"
:
: not
: bad
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