T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 1 Recently I played live games a lot, most on 2/5 table.
The casinos I frequents includes the ones in AC, PA and CO. IMO, the player'
s skill level on 2/5 table are a little better than 1/2 game, but it is not
sth you can't handle. I was doing well this year, only had one losing
session this year. I see a lot of players, fishes, nit (myself included),
solid TAGs. But very few times I see very tricky players. I saw one during
last weeks' session in Sands, pa.
It was a black guy on my right(which means I always have position on him).
First, a few hands I observed before I had altercation with him.
1. UTG raised $30, black guy and one other called. The flop was: 6h 7s 8d.
UTG bet $50, black guy raised to $180, one fold. UTG tanked for 2 mins, he
folded and showed pocket AAs. Black guy shows 5hQh.
2. Every one limpped $5, CO made it $50 dollars.Looks like a squeeze. Black
guy in early position tanked for few second, declared all-in. CO tanked and
called extra $250 and showed JJs. Black guy showed AAs (turned out he
limpped in early position) and took down a big pot.
3. Black guy already had $1400 stack, limp. Another $1000 plus stack raised
$25 in late position. Black guy called, heads up. flop was 6h 7d Th. Black
guy checked, late position bet $40, black guy called, Turn a Ks. Black guy
checked, late position checked, river blank, black guy led out for huge over
bet $325. Late position thought for a good minute and asked him why he
overbet and then folded. Black guy showed 3s 4s.
4. Black guy raised $25 in early position, I called in late position with
44s. flop was 6h, 7s, Jc. He bet $40. I did an analysis on the board texture
and I didn't think this board hit his hand a lot, so I called with an
underpair. Turn an As. He led out for $85, I thought the A probably a bad
card for me, of course, he still could bet with total air, but the problem
is the board now has all sorts draw there and there weren't many cards I'd
like to see on the river. If he bets big on river, what I do? Just call
obviously is a not good option. If I choose to raise on the turn, it almost
need $220+ to make it work and it only chase out bluff. In the end I decide
to fold, and he turned over 33s. LOL
After these hands I concluded he was a tricky player, like to mix it up and
play aggressively and attack weakness. So it leads to following hands:
Black guy and one limper, I sit a button with JJs. I raised to $25. Black
guy called and the other called. $75 in the pot. Flop, 8h, 7s, Qd. Both
checked. I didn't like to Q that much and decided to check instead, keep the
pot small.
Turn is a Tc. Black guy check, the other guy lead out for 25$, a small bet.
I called of course, but the black guy raised to $75. One fold and bet to me.
My thinking was this: flop action indicates all of us are not that strong
by checking around (of course there is small chance sb slow play monster),
turn the other guy only bet 1/3 the pot and I just called, continues showing
weakness, he is a good enough player to pick up that, and maybe he just
tried to make a play to buy the pot. Of course there is a bunch of straight
possibility there, but I have two JJs so I have an inside straight to back
up a little bit. I decided to call and see what the river brings and what is
the river action.
River a blank, black guy immediately led out and bet $300. Well, the pot
before the river only $250ish. Another overbet? Looks fishy. Normally it was
an automatic fold for me, I can't beat any Q, can;t beat any two pairs, not
mention the straight. But I just don't think he will value bet that much
with a Q or any small two pairs. It was either nuts or bluff. What was it?
Well, like I said, my thinking is to make nuts you have to have 9J
preciously. I had two Js, which made it less likely he had a J. Plus he
betting very fast, an indication that he was probably bluffing. Plus I feel
like I need to stop being pushed around by him and make a hero call (deadly
if we are driven by our ego rather than making money, the sole reason why we
play poker).
I called and he turned over preciously 9s Js. I lost a Hugh pot by making a
wrong call on the river. I was from a little winning to down $350.
The thing frustrated me is I get severely outplayed on that hand. His
previous action led to my ill-advised call on the river.
The lesson for me is to avoid in a hand with him until I figured him out.
Still a lot to learn I guess. | D*****A
发帖数: 551 | 2 这个地方，我会bet about $40.
这样很可能直接拿下。
Black guy and one limper, I sit a button with JJs. I raised to $25. Black
guy called and the other called. $75 in the pot. Flop, 8h, 7s, Qd. Both
checked. I didn't like to Q that much and decided to check instead, keep the
pot small. | s*********f
发帖数: 155 | 3 got my ass kicked once by J9 too. Villian made the nut straight and I had
97. On QT86x board.
Seems like he is a very good player. I wish I could play like him, with no
fear. He really utilized the aggression principle and deception principle
extremely well. Take consolation that you learn a lot from this guy and you
even share the experience with us. That could be well worth a lot more than
$350 in the long run.
I don't like the check on the flop, though. Very likely you have the best
hand and you need to charge straight draws and lower pairs. That certainly
needs to be balanced with pot commitment considerations. You are not
committed to the pot on the flop. A $50 bet could make a few hands (air, gut
shot, maybe low pairs) fold or charge weak hands (open enders may or may
not fold; I would certainly fold OOP; lower pair), without committing you to
the pot. You will probably fold if check-raised by a big amount. If called,
you may check on the turn, hoping for a cheap showdown. Or keep betting if
the caller is a calling station. As it turns out, probably nobody can call
you here on the flop.
On the turn, you analysis could be right but the black guy could also have a
real hand. You are in an uncertain situation. Based on his style, you know
another big bet would be coming the river, which forces you into an even
bigger, tough decision. I would fold. If it were a bluff, he played it well
and I am not paying a huge price. | T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 4 I agree, not betting on flop and find out where I am was a huge mistake on
my part.
for some reason where I play this hand I remember the harrington's book that
you need to control the pot by check either the flop or turn.
well, based on my experience checking on the flop when you very likely have
the best hand often is a huge mistake. on the flop , many opponent still in
the hand and you will have big trouble to figure out if turn card help
anyone in the hand because you are giving it free. a proper bet will Chase
out a lot of small pair or inside straight because they are drawing very
thin.
yeah, so supposed I bet on the flop and get raised , I can fold the hand
safely , and if I got called , I probably won't put any money in the pot
when the T came and the guy bet huge, because I already showed strength on
the flop and he answered.
Harrington has many good points in his book. but the pot control by
checking on the flop is a bad advice in general. checking on the turn is a
far better option.
you
than
【在 s*********f 的大作中提到】
: got my ass kicked once by J9 too. Villian made the nut straight and I had
: 97. On QT86x board.
: Seems like he is a very good player. I wish I could play like him, with no
: fear. He really utilized the aggression principle and deception principle
: extremely well. Take consolation that you learn a lot from this guy and you
: even share the experience with us. That could be well worth a lot more than
: $350 in the long run.
: I don't like the check on the flop, though. Very likely you have the best
: hand and you need to charge straight draws and lower pairs. That certainly
: needs to be balanced with pot commitment considerations. You are not
| D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 5 Looking a cheap showdown with marginal hand with thin or no chance to
improve,
is generally passive,if not wrong.
It is way better to bet-fold than check-guessing.
that
have
in
Chase
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: I agree, not betting on flop and find out where I am was a huge mistake on
: my part.
: for some reason where I play this hand I remember the harrington's book that
: you need to control the pot by check either the flop or turn.
: well, based on my experience checking on the flop when you very likely have
: the best hand often is a huge mistake. on the flop , many opponent still in
: the hand and you will have big trouble to figure out if turn card help
: anyone in the hand because you are giving it free. a proper bet will Chase
: out a lot of small pair or inside straight because they are drawing very
: thin.
| D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 6 Some thought about how to play with those type of trick player.
Generally, they are tricky, but not insane, they are still reasonable.
bluff with 300$, into a 250$ pot, it is certaily not reasonable, 150-200$
will
do the job without additional risk, if 200$ can not do the job, 300$ either.
In this situation, hold your eager to make a hero-catch with pure bluff-
catcher
and, don't think"i will wait a good hand to wipe you out," either.
Take a lead! Bet into him,Raise him, and bluff him.
player'
not
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: Recently I played live games a lot, most on 2/5 table.
: The casinos I frequents includes the ones in AC, PA and CO. IMO, the player'
: s skill level on 2/5 table are a little better than 1/2 game, but it is not
: sth you can't handle. I was doing well this year, only had one losing
: session this year. I see a lot of players, fishes, nit (myself included),
: solid TAGs. But very few times I see very tricky players. I saw one during
: last weeks' session in Sands, pa.
: It was a black guy on my right(which means I always have position on him).
: First, a few hands I observed before I had altercation with him.
: 1. UTG raised $30, black guy and one other called. The flop was: 6h 7s 8d.
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 7 That guy did a over river bet bluff before. That definitely had some impact
on LZ's mind. But maybe we can argue if he's a decent player, he knew that
as well and the chance he was bluffing again was lower.
either.
【在 D*A 的大作中提到】
: Some thought about how to play with those type of trick player.
: Generally, they are tricky, but not insane, they are still reasonable.
: bluff with 300$, into a 250$ pot, it is certaily not reasonable, 150-200$
: will
: do the job without additional risk, if 200$ can not do the job, 300$ either.
: In this situation, hold your eager to make a hero-catch with pure bluff-
: catcher
: and, don't think"i will wait a good hand to wipe you out," either.
: Take a lead! Bet into him,Raise him, and bluff him.
:
| l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 8 Very interesting post. The black is very tricky. I think he is a very good
player. He makes his move based on other players' perception of him. You can
never put him on a hand, and he has a lot of guts too. I like his playing
style.
player'
not
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: Recently I played live games a lot, most on 2/5 table.
: The casinos I frequents includes the ones in AC, PA and CO. IMO, the player'
: s skill level on 2/5 table are a little better than 1/2 game, but it is not
: sth you can't handle. I was doing well this year, only had one losing
: session this year. I see a lot of players, fishes, nit (myself included),
: solid TAGs. But very few times I see very tricky players. I saw one during
: last weeks' session in Sands, pa.
: It was a black guy on my right(which means I always have position on him).
: First, a few hands I observed before I had altercation with him.
: 1. UTG raised $30, black guy and one other called. The flop was: 6h 7s 8d.
| s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 9 nice post. The blackie is solid. You lost that hand. But not much.
I went to homegame at a new host last week. SB/BB is 5/10 cents(LOL).
Lost 40$ in the first hour. Think it over, that is 400BB in one
hours (<15 hands). And I get all back later. |
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