p******a 发帖数: 975 | 1 This is a SB vs BB hand in NL200 game. I am from SB. effective stake is
150bb
Folds to me. I raise to $6 with Ah Jh. BB call. His defends a wide range
against SB.
Flop comes Jd 8d 4s. I cbet $9 into $12 pot. He raiseed to $20, I call. I
noticed he usually raised much larger on such wet flop if he has a big hand.
Most likely he has some second pair or weak draw when he raises this small.
Turn comes 9h. I check. He bet $35 into $55 pot. I call. 9h is a bad card
for me. But I think I still beat the majority of his bluff range, including
87, weak flush draw, JT.
River comes 4h. I checked. He bet half pot. I call. He showed QdTs.
I thought about 3bet on the flop. But I don't like to inflate the pot with
my marginal holdings on such wet flop OOP. What would you do? |
p******a 发帖数: 975 | 2 刚才收到一封ACR的邮件,说快回来吧,我们想念你。然后丧心病狂的往我账户里存了
50刀。
考虑到他家下个月的rake暴减,打算继续回ACR打了。感觉如果他家保持现在的
promotion的势头,要不就成为美国最大的站,要不就破产…… |
w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 3 每个人的打法特点是不同的。
就一般情况来说,这个例子中turn和river的bet size代表了两对以上的牌力。 |
s*****s 发帖数: 1130 | 4 In my opinion, u played fine. The villian got lucky this time.
hand.
small.
including
【在 p******a 的大作中提到】 : This is a SB vs BB hand in NL200 game. I am from SB. effective stake is : 150bb : Folds to me. I raise to $6 with Ah Jh. BB call. His defends a wide range : against SB. : Flop comes Jd 8d 4s. I cbet $9 into $12 pot. He raiseed to $20, I call. I : noticed he usually raised much larger on such wet flop if he has a big hand. : Most likely he has some second pair or weak draw when he raises this small. : Turn comes 9h. I check. He bet $35 into $55 pot. I call. 9h is a bad card : for me. But I think I still beat the majority of his bluff range, including : 87, weak flush draw, JT.
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 5 If villian semibluff on turn and got 9 on river,he would be considered lucky.
He got straight on turn and what he bet on turn and river represents his
strength,so this was not lucky.
In a tournament, allin with top pair is normal.
In a HU cash game, bigger bet size with top pair is normal.
But in a 6-max game, bet size has 层次。(although this was actually a HU,
but it was a HU in 6-max.I observed that people play HU in 6-max the way
they play 6-max,not the way they play HU.)
A normal player would check on turn if he didn't catch 9 on turn.
Betting big size on turn without two pairs would be considered either bluff(
or semibluff) or an extreme way of playing.
So what kind of player villian is would help in this case.
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】 : In my opinion, u played fine. The villian got lucky this time. : : hand. : small. : including
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z******n 发帖数: 8851 | 6 Don't play much on ACR anymore, in WSOP these level of players are all LAG
or TAG, so if we can't put the villain on gunshot draw on the flop, we have
to call him down, you were just unlucky. If we fold on either turn or river,
we will lose lot of equity, the villain chould have missed flush draw,
missed straight draw (9T), or total air, on the river he may thought you
missed your draw. If i were villain, I would bet more (3/4 pot size) on the
river (even with air just for balancing), villain could have two pairs/
straight, but possibility is small.
I think you played fine, I would play the same way...my 2 cents |
s*****s 发帖数: 1130 | 7 他们终于觉悟了,不搞beast了?
【在 p******a 的大作中提到】 : 刚才收到一封ACR的邮件,说快回来吧,我们想念你。然后丧心病狂的往我账户里存了 : 50刀。 : 考虑到他家下个月的rake暴减,打算继续回ACR打了。感觉如果他家保持现在的 : promotion的势头,要不就成为美国最大的站,要不就破产……
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 8 其实这个问题本身就不够清楚。
没有大环境,小环境,很难判断。
大环境就是live还是online,online是在哪个pokerroom,你那个pokerroom流行的风格
是怎么样的。
小环境就是对手个人风格,对手现在的状态。对手和你是不是有issue,是不是on tile。
比如在live 用top pair call 40BB bet 就是鱼。因为很少人手里没有两对以上bet那
么大。
在online bluff要多很多。但是bet size和牌力对应还是成立。
我就是play L&G的。对我来说正常风格是一种比较难找漏洞的打法。太容易fold和太不
容易fold都是明显的漏洞,可以explore。如果我发现敢拿top pair一路call到底的,
我就会专等好牌加大注bet他。没好牌我就根本不会去碰他。
所以笼统说这幅牌应该不应该call到底,是很难说的。如果他前面一直打得很loose,
喜欢用大bet bluff,你就应该call。否则就不应该call。
所以用top pair一路call到底不是一种正常打法。是用于应对特别风格对手的特别打法
。如果你总是这样call你就死了。 |
p******a 发帖数: 975 | 9 嗯,这个是在bovada
所以read不是很多,不太确定对手的3 barrel range
tile。
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】 : 其实这个问题本身就不够清楚。 : 没有大环境,小环境,很难判断。 : 大环境就是live还是online,online是在哪个pokerroom,你那个pokerroom流行的风格 : 是怎么样的。 : 小环境就是对手个人风格,对手现在的状态。对手和你是不是有issue,是不是on tile。 : 比如在live 用top pair call 40BB bet 就是鱼。因为很少人手里没有两对以上bet那 : 么大。 : 在online bluff要多很多。但是bet size和牌力对应还是成立。 : 我就是play L&G的。对我来说正常风格是一种比较难找漏洞的打法。太容易fold和太不 : 容易fold都是明显的漏洞,可以explore。如果我发现敢拿top pair一路call到底的,
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p******a 发帖数: 975 | 10 beast还是有的,但从四月开始,不收额外的rake。
所以他们的rake和bovada一样,但是bonus相当于27%的rake back+每月两次100% $100
reload+beast的rake back。这个简直爽的有点难以置信啊
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】 : 他们终于觉悟了,不搞beast了?
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 11 如果我碰到一个没有read的对手,我会在他turn bet $35 时fold。
如果后来我发现他打得loose,我会call他,但是我会明白top pair只是bluff catcher
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p******a 发帖数: 975 | 12 我call了flop之后,大概无论如何都会call turn的
这个river call是questionable的。其实当时我误以为我能beat他的 two pair了。打
完才发现他的大部分two pair还是比我大的。
catcher
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】 : 如果我碰到一个没有read的对手,我会在他turn bet $35 时fold。 : 如果后来我发现他打得loose,我会call他,但是我会明白top pair只是bluff catcher : 。
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 13 我不知道bovada的牌手在semibluff turn不中时会不会check turn,我在WPN遇到的牌
手,尤其是在后面位置的,多数会check。
one pair和two pair以上牌力在bet size上有明显的分界。如果根据这个tell决定fold与
否,是明显正EV的。
所以我在对手bet size超过这条“界线”以后,就只考虑对手是不是会bluff,来决定是
否call他。
我认为online和live的主要区别之一,就是online考虑问题更多是从很多手牌来考虑是
否正EV。我fold掉这手不要紧。以后还会有很多手牌。如果他老喜欢用这个来bluff,
很快我就会知道,那时候他要pay a lot more than he won.
(如果后来发现他是不喜欢bluff的,那说明我fold对了)。 |
n***a 发帖数: 274 | 14 I think this hand was standard. If villian were tricky enough to raise this
flop, when he hit, ull need to pay him off. I'll share a comparable hand |
d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 15 in live 1/2NL, face unknown villain, i probably check/fold turn.
if its online 100 or 200NL, i would 2x reraise and fold to any action after.
Just for saving money and maximise value if any |
s*****s 发帖数: 1130 | 16 他们自己出钱搞beast? 这么搞下去不会和lock一样把自己搞死了吧.
100
【在 p******a 的大作中提到】 : beast还是有的,但从四月开始,不收额外的rake。 : 所以他们的rake和bovada一样,但是bonus相当于27%的rake back+每月两次100% $100 : reload+beast的rake back。这个简直爽的有点难以置信啊
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p******a 发帖数: 975 | 17 他们如果没有beast的话,rakeback相当于PS。2+2上很多人说,他们要是一开始就没有
beast,早就是美国最大的站了。
现在估计想自己掏钱用beast攒人气,估计过段时间人多了就会拿掉beast了。
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】 : 他们自己出钱搞beast? 这么搞下去不会和lock一样把自己搞死了吧. : : 100
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q****8 发帖数: 3281 | 18 他们送我5刀。。
【在 p******a 的大作中提到】 : 刚才收到一封ACR的邮件,说快回来吧,我们想念你。然后丧心病狂的往我账户里存了 : 50刀。 : 考虑到他家下个月的rake暴减,打算继续回ACR打了。感觉如果他家保持现在的 : promotion的势头,要不就成为美国最大的站,要不就破产……
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p******a 发帖数: 975 | 19 毕竟我去年也每月rake交一千刀的……
【在 q****8 的大作中提到】 : 他们送我5刀。。
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 20 我刚刚问过ACR support,他们可以用sport to sport transfer来存取钱。
就是我在bookmaker.eu有户头,我只要在ACR开一个sport 户头,就可以从bookmaker.
eu转钱到ACR,这个transfer是instant and free。取钱时也可以转回去。
bovada的牌手可以去问问bovada有没有这种功能。据我所知,很多sport book之间都可
以免费转钱。如果你在5dimes或bookmaker.eu开个户头,然后再转钱进出bovada,用
5dimes或bookmaker.eu的debit card取款,就会方便很多。
在ACR有户头的,也可以问和bovada能不能互相转钱。 |