s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 1 It is fun to play other LAGs.
6max 400NL
BB: ~$700, LAG that 3bet light vs my BTN steal 3 times in the last 10 mins.
1st time, I fold. 2nd time, I 4bet light, he calls preflop and flop cbet,
and fold to my turn bet. 3rd time, I call his 3bet, float flop and fold to
his second barrel.
CO: $400, LAG that steals often and is trying to fight back my 3bet from out
of position
Hero: JdJh ~$800, a crazy raise station that the whole table knows
Preflop
CO open $10
Hero raise to $35
BB 4bet to $83
CO fold
Hero call
Flop KcJs5c
BB cbet $95
What would you do? | w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 2 当然是call。
你call cbet，他还会bet turn。
你reraise，很难说他会如何反应。
第3次你call了他的flop bet对吗？（我理解是你call了flop cbet然后fold to turn
bet） | s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 3 as played,
Hero raise to $190,
BB shove
Hero call
BB shows 5h3h
Turn 3d
River 8d
Hero won a big pot
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: 当然是call。
: 你call cbet，他还会bet turn。
: 你reraise，很难说他会如何反应。
: 第3次你call了他的flop bet对吗？（我理解是你call了flop cbet然后fold to turn
: bet）
| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | | s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 5 之后连着两次AK碰到AA就又输回去了。
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 屌炸天
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 6 还有一次hit到set,欢天喜地的把Villain搞进来，结果一看人家也是set,还更大。
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 之后连着两次AK碰到AA就又输回去了。
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | | s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 8 运气当然最重要了.
LAG对LAG比较有意思的地方是几乎每手都玩,每手都是大pot,动不动就all in.这应该是
最受poker site欢迎的play style了吧,rake刷得巨快。
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: 所以LAG对LAG就是看谁运气好？
| I*****N
发帖数: 497 | 9 my 2 cents.
You should just call the flop cbet, then raise or shove on the turn.
Your opponent is a big fish. His correct play should be either check raise
on flop then fold if you continue or fold to your min raise on flop.
.
out
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: It is fun to play other LAGs.
: 6max 400NL
: BB: ~$700, LAG that 3bet light vs my BTN steal 3 times in the last 10 mins.
: 1st time, I fold. 2nd time, I 4bet light, he calls preflop and flop cbet,
: and fold to my turn bet. 3rd time, I call his 3bet, float flop and fold to
: his second barrel.
: CO: $400, LAG that steals often and is trying to fight back my 3bet from out
: of position
: Hero: JdJh ~$800, a crazy raise station that the whole table knows
: Preflop
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 10 He is not fish. From what I have observed, he is a very good LAG.
Here is what I think what he was thinking. The flop is kinda wet. He only
cbets 1/2 pot for two reasons. One, if I got nothing, he expects me to fold
and he doesn't have to risk more. But more likely, I got a piece of this
wet flop. If he bets more, say 3/4 pot, I probably would still call him,
and then he doesn't know what to do at turn anymore. But, if he cbets only 1
/2 pot and I have a piece of the flop, he expects me to raise him light to
find out what he has because he knows that I don't know how to continue at
turn either and want to find out too. When I raise him light, he puts me in
the range including any draw and any pair. That is why he shoves in hope
to force me fold most of my hands. Even if I call with AA or AK, he
believes that he still have 5 outs.
It seems to me that he made a very good play. Unfortunately for him, I was
lucky enough to catch a set this time and I understand how a good LAG thinks
about the other good LAG in this situation. My light raise was exactly
intended to induce his shove.
【在 I*****N 的大作中提到】
: my 2 cents.
: You should just call the flop cbet, then raise or shove on the turn.
: Your opponent is a big fish. His correct play should be either check raise
: on flop then fold if you continue or fold to your min raise on flop.
:
: .
: out
| | | I*****N
发帖数: 497 | 11 If you had one pair, JJ or less, would you raise?
.
out
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: It is fun to play other LAGs.
: 6max 400NL
: BB: ~$700, LAG that 3bet light vs my BTN steal 3 times in the last 10 mins.
: 1st time, I fold. 2nd time, I 4bet light, he calls preflop and flop cbet,
: and fold to my turn bet. 3rd time, I call his 3bet, float flop and fold to
: his second barrel.
: CO: $400, LAG that steals often and is trying to fight back my 3bet from out
: of position
: Hero: JdJh ~$800, a crazy raise station that the whole table knows
: Preflop
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 12 I could, depending on the villain.
【在 I*****N 的大作中提到】
: If you had one pair, JJ or less, would you raise?
:
: .
: out
| I*****N
发帖数: 497 | 13 Theoretically that would be bad play. Just my opinion. You raise to gain
information, but the information you gain won't help you. Say you raise, he
fold. He has air. Does that info help you? you lose value. Or you raise he
shove, then you have a guessing game again.
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: I could, depending on the villain.
| p****0
发帖数: 611 | 14 S神的light raise is a good play in my opinion. Why, he explained it in post
10 already. The other thing I would comment is giving S神 image, villain
will put him on a very wide range. So any two cards can shove against his
light raise. In fact, I think Villain already made his mind to bluff S神
before flop. But unfortunately, this time S神 had second nuts. Good play for
S神 to leverage his own image.
On the other side, villain's play is also ok giving S神 stack size. Long
time against player like S神, this could be +EV.
he
【在 I*****N 的大作中提到】
: Theoretically that would be bad play. Just my opinion. You raise to gain
: information, but the information you gain won't help you. Say you raise, he
: fold. He has air. Does that info help you? you lose value. Or you raise he
: shove, then you have a guessing game again.
| q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 15 Nothing wrong with both plays, standard call and instant raise. Regs do not
often raise with TP+ in this situation at NL400. That's why villain
interprets scripps' raise as air or draw. This is actually a leveling war,
and in this hand, scripps is one-level higher than villain.
Villain's only mistake is 4-bet size way too small. Nobody would fold to
this size with 200bb IP. | s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 16 It depends on villain. If I know he is going to shove with a wide range, of
coz I am not going to raise him. In this situation, if I raise, a lot of
ABC villains will take one of the three lines.
1. with TPTK+, shove. I can fold without risking more at turn.
2. with second pair or less, fold. I win the pot right away.
3. with draw or like maybe TPGK, call. I can keep pushing him to fold at
turn or river.
he
【在 I*****N 的大作中提到】
: Theoretically that would be bad play. Just my opinion. You raise to gain
: information, but the information you gain won't help you. Say you raise, he
: fold. He has air. Does that info help you? you lose value. Or you raise he
: shove, then you have a guessing game again.
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 17 I can understand why he 4bet light here. I play this way often too. It is
like 3bet light in 100bb standard stack. The value of bluff is really in
the flop cbet.
not
【在 q****8 的大作中提到】
: Nothing wrong with both plays, standard call and instant raise. Regs do not
: often raise with TP+ in this situation at NL400. That's why villain
: interprets scripps' raise as air or draw. This is actually a leveling war,
: and in this hand, scripps is one-level higher than villain.
: Villain's only mistake is 4-bet size way too small. Nobody would fold to
: this size with 200bb IP.
| I*****N
发帖数: 497 | 18 Since you said he is a LAG and He know you are a LAg too, You can't assume
he is ABC Villain. Assume he suspected you were squeezing and he 4bet light,
and you didn't 5bet or shove and just called. He was more likely thinking
your hand range was very wide at the flop. You raise, He had 3 options:
shove, call or fold. The value you lose are: he fold or call the fold on the
turn if you bet again. IF he never consider folding is an option in this
situation, then he is a losing player.
of
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: It depends on villain. If I know he is going to shove with a wide range, of
: coz I am not going to raise him. In this situation, if I raise, a lot of
: ABC villains will take one of the three lines.
: 1. with TPTK+, shove. I can fold without risking more at turn.
: 2. with second pair or less, fold. I win the pot right away.
: 3. with draw or like maybe TPGK, call. I can keep pushing him to fold at
: turn or river.
:
: he
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 19 U are right. He is a LAG, not ABC. That is why I raise light with set not a
marginal hand.
light,
the
【在 I*****N 的大作中提到】
: Since you said he is a LAG and He know you are a LAg too, You can't assume
: he is ABC Villain. Assume he suspected you were squeezing and he 4bet light,
: and you didn't 5bet or shove and just called. He was more likely thinking
: your hand range was very wide at the flop. You raise, He had 3 options:
: shove, call or fold. The value you lose are: he fold or call the fold on the
: turn if you bet again. IF he never consider folding is an option in this
: situation, then he is a losing player.
:
: of
| I*****N
发帖数: 497 | 20 What did you think he would do if you just called?
a
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: U are right. He is a LAG, not ABC. That is why I raise light with set not a
: marginal hand.
:
: light,
: the
| | | q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 21 This is not what I was talking about. I was saying his 4-bet size is too
small, especially when 4-bet light oop.
is
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: I can understand why he 4bet light here. I play this way often too. It is
: like 3bet light in 100bb standard stack. The value of bluff is really in
: the flop cbet.
:
: not
| q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 22 光讨论这手牌是没有意义的。对手TURN成2对了，怎么也逃不掉两人都ALL IN,无论在
TURN还是RIVER.
我前面说的对手4BET SIZE太小，也不是针对这手牌，谁知道这手牌碰上JJ呢。
【在 I*****N 的大作中提到】
: What did you think he would do if you just called?
:
: a
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 23 Qing兄，如果是100bb stack, blind vs BTN that steals often, 你会有时候3bet
light 么？
【在 q****8 的大作中提到】
: This is not what I was talking about. I was saying his 4-bet size is too
: small, especially when 4-bet light oop.
:
: is
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 24 I don't know what he would do at turn. That depends on turn card and it can
go either way depending on the villain.
But, no matter what, get him all in on flop is the best scenario for me.
【在 I*****N 的大作中提到】
: What did you think he would do if you just called?
:
: a
| q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 25 当然会了，我也有时在BTN 4bet light vs blind 3bet.
我4bet就有8%，能不LIGHT吗。
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: Qing兄，如果是100bb stack, blind vs BTN that steals often, 你会有时候3bet
: light 么？
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 26 那和这手牌deep stack out of position 4bet light不是一样的么
【在 q****8 的大作中提到】
: 当然会了，我也有时在BTN 4bet light vs blind 3bet.
: 我4bet就有8%，能不LIGHT吗。
| q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 27 看贴不仔细，我一再说是SIZE 太小了。
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 那和这手牌deep stack out of position 4bet light不是一样的么
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 28 奇怪，我们哪里说岔了。4bet light不就是4bet size 小么？
【在 q****8 的大作中提到】
: 看贴不仔细，我一再说是SIZE 太小了。
| q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 29 难道是我一直理解错了? 4bet light是指用polarized range里的低端的那头来4bet,通
俗说就用差牌来4bet bluff,和size大小无关。
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 奇怪，我们哪里说岔了。4bet light不就是4bet size 小么？
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 30 原来是这里啊.
【在 q****8 的大作中提到】
: 难道是我一直理解错了? 4bet light是指用polarized range里的低端的那头来4bet,通
: 俗说就用差牌来4bet bluff,和size大小无关。
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