E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 1 http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
Religion % have been divorced
Jews 30%
Born-again Christians 27%
Other Christians 24%
Atheists, Agnostics 21%
只差幾個百分點而已。 |
h*o
发帖数: 1035 | 2 不是说高达50%了么？还没到30呢
看来好些了
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
: Religion % have been divorced
: Jews 30%
: Born-again Christians 27%
: Other Christians 24%
: Atheists, Agnostics 21%
: 只差幾個百分點而已。
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 3 有意思
Barna report: Variation in divorce rates among Christian faith groups:
Denomination (in order of decreasing divorce rate)
% who have been divorced
Non-denominational ** 34%
Baptists 29%
Mainline Protestants 25%
Mormons 24%
Catholics 21%
Lutherans 21%
** Barna uses the term "non-denominational" to refer to Evangelical
Christian congregations that are not affiliated with a specific denomination
. The vast majority are fundamentalist in their theological beliefs. |
l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 4 is the study controlled for other potential factors -- say income, education level, age of marriage, marriage status of their parents, etc.
I bet you can find 2-3% differences if you just break up the survey by the first letter of their last name.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
: Religion % have been divorced
: Jews 30%
: Born-again Christians 27%
: Other Christians 24%
: Atheists, Agnostics 21%
: 只差幾個百分點而已。
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c****g
发帖数: 3893 | 5 加减法都不会做了呀．
【在 h*o 的大作中提到】
: 不是说高达50%了么？还没到30呢
: 看来好些了
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w**********1
发帖数: 2588 | 6 如果是不信的配偶想离婚，就要接受，这是圣经教导的。
另，离婚有很多原因，有过错的一方未必是基督徒。。
此外，美国的无神论者比率太小了，缺乏统计意义。
更何况，美国的无神论者中有相当部分的第一代移民，
需要解决身份问题也是导致不得不保持一段婚姻的关
键因素。
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
: Religion % have been divorced
: Jews 30%
: Born-again Christians 27%
: Other Christians 24%
: Atheists, Agnostics 21%
: 只差幾個百分點而已。
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G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 7 多年前就让基督自己搞个调查来纠正社会的偏见，也省得对别人的研究总是无用地jjww
，可是从未见有任何动作，依旧还是只能jjww。
education level, age of marriage, marriage status of their parents, etc.
first letter of their last name.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: is the study controlled for other potential factors -- say income, education level, age of marriage, marriage status of their parents, etc.
: I bet you can find 2-3% differences if you just break up the survey by the first letter of their last name.
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G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 8 说得对
特别是那些墨西哥的非法移民，没事儿就玩离婚结婚离婚的游戏，把基督教的名声都搞
坏了。
【在 w**********1 的大作中提到】
: 如果是不信的配偶想离婚，就要接受，这是圣经教导的。
: 另，离婚有很多原因，有过错的一方未必是基督徒。。
: 此外，美国的无神论者比率太小了，缺乏统计意义。
: 更何况，美国的无神论者中有相当部分的第一代移民，
: 需要解决身份问题也是导致不得不保持一段婚姻的关
: 键因素。
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w**********1
发帖数: 2588 | 9 恩，还存在一种情况是，成为基督徒是在离婚前还是离婚后，
因为离婚对于很多人是一种打击，需要寻求信仰来面对这种
打击。 所以离婚后成为基督徒也很平常,但跟基督徒导致离
婚不是一会事。
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】
: 说得对
: 特别是那些墨西哥的非法移民，没事儿就玩离婚结婚离婚的游戏，把基督教的名声都搞
: 坏了。
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G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 10 还有一种情况是，很多基督徒没搞清楚同居与结婚是不同的，往往在调查时把不再同居
当成离婚来对待。（当然，同居也是神所不喜悦的）。
由此看来，现在市面上的调查研究有着各种各样的致命缺陷，导致荒谬的结果。那这么
多年来，监督教会自己有任何调查研究吗？
【在 w**********1 的大作中提到】
: 恩，还存在一种情况是，成为基督徒是在离婚前还是离婚后，
: 因为离婚对于很多人是一种打击，需要寻求信仰来面对这种
: 打击。 所以离婚后成为基督徒也很平常,但跟基督徒导致离
: 婚不是一会事。
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 11
jjww
"The family that prays together, stays together" is well known. There has
been much anecdotal evidence that has led to "unsubstantiated claims that
the divorce rate for Christians who attended church regularly, pray together
or who meet other conditions is only 1 or 2 percent".
Dr. Tom Ellis, chairman of the Southern Baptist Convention's Council on the
Family said that for "...born-again Christian couples who marry...in the
church after having received premarital counseling...and attend church
regularly and pray daily together..." experience only 1 divorce out of
nearly 39,000 marriages -- or 0.00256 percent.
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】
: 多年前就让基督自己搞个调查来纠正社会的偏见，也省得对别人的研究总是无用地jjww
: ，可是从未见有任何动作，依旧还是只能jjww。
:
: education level, age of marriage, marriage status of their parents, etc.
: first letter of their last name.
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 12 The slogan: "The family that prays together, stays together" is well known.
There has been much anecdotal evidence that has led to "unsubstantiated
claims that the divorce rate for Christians who attended church regularly,
pray together or who meet other conditions is only 1 or 2 percent". 8
Emphasis ours]. Dr. Tom Ellis, chairman of the Southern Baptist Convention's
Council on the Family said that for "...born-again Christian couples who
marry...in the church after having received premarital counseling...and
attend church regularly and pray daily together..." experience only 1
divorce out of nearly 39,000 marriages -- or 0.00256 percent. 9
A recent study by the Barna Research Group throws extreme doubt on these
estimates. Barna released the results of their poll about divorce on 1999-
DEC-21. 1 They had interviewed 3,854 adults from the 48 contiguous states.
The margin of error is ±2 percentage points. The survey found:
11% of the adult population is currently divorced.
25% of adults have had at least one divorce during their lifetime.
Divorce rates among conservative Christians were significantly higher
than for other faith groups, and much higher than Atheists and Agnostics
experience.
George Barna, president and founder of Barna Research Group, commented:
"While it may be alarming to discover that born again Christians are more
likely than others to experience a divorce, that pattern has been in place
for quite some time. Even more disturbing, perhaps, is that when those
individuals experience a divorce many of them feel their community of faith
provides rejection rather than support and healing. But the research also
raises questions regarding the effectiveness of how churches minister to
families. The ultimate responsibility for a marriage belongs to the husband
and wife, but the high incidence of divorce within the Christian community
challenges the idea that churches provide truly practical and life-changing
support for marriages."
According to the Dallas Morning News, a Dallas TX newspaper, the national
study "raised eyebrows, sowed confusion, [and] even brought on a little holy
anger." This caused George Barna to write a letter to his supporters,
saying that he is standing by his data, even though it is upsetting. He
said that "We rarely find substantial differences" between the moral
behavior of Christians and non-Christians. Barna Project Director Meg
Flammang said: "We would love to be able to report that Christians are
living very distinct lives and impacting the community, but ... in the area
of divorce rates they continue to be the same." Both statements seem to
be projecting the belief that conservative Christians and liberal
Christians have the same divorce rate. This disagrees with their own data.
together
the
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: jjww
: "The family that prays together, stays together" is well known. There has
: been much anecdotal evidence that has led to "unsubstantiated claims that
: the divorce rate for Christians who attended church regularly, pray together
: or who meet other conditions is only 1 or 2 percent".
: Dr. Tom Ellis, chairman of the Southern Baptist Convention's Council on the
: Family said that for "...born-again Christian couples who marry...in the
: church after having received premarital counseling...and attend church
: regularly and pray daily together..." experience only 1 divorce out of
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 13 怎么连第一句话都掐掉了，lol
together
the
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: jjww
: "The family that prays together, stays together" is well known. There has
: been much anecdotal evidence that has led to "unsubstantiated claims that
: the divorce rate for Christians who attended church regularly, pray together
: or who meet other conditions is only 1 or 2 percent".
: Dr. Tom Ellis, chairman of the Southern Baptist Convention's Council on the
: Family said that for "...born-again Christian couples who marry...in the
: church after having received premarital counseling...and attend church
: regularly and pray daily together..." experience only 1 divorce out of
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 14 Without proper control for other variables, this type of survey are of little use.
If the non-believers are expected to be more savvy with critical reasoning & analysis, please post something more credible and serious. IMHO, posts like this only damage your pro-logic/pro-science image. |
l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 15 lol
little use.
& analysis, please post something more credible and serious. IMHO, posts
like this only damage your pro-logic/pro-science image.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: Without proper control for other variables, this type of survey are of little use.
: If the non-believers are expected to be more savvy with critical reasoning & analysis, please post something more credible and serious. IMHO, posts like this only damage your pro-logic/pro-science image.
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