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发帖数: 3781 | 1 by Dave Hunt
The Emperor's Clothes Again?
Many of the verses Calvinists use to support "T" (such as John 1:13 and Roma
ns 9:16) have nothing to do with the concept of total depravity. In such pas
sages we are simply told that by our own will we cannot force ourselves upon
God. He is the author of salvation and it is all by His mercy and grace, no
t by our effort or will. None of such passages, however, declares that any m
an cannot believe the gospel when it is offered to him with the convincing a
nd convicting power of the Holy Spirit.
Philippians 2:13 is also cited, but clearly this is talking about the Christ
ian working out in his life the salvation he has been given; it has nothing
to do with either total depravity or believing the gospel.
Calvinists consider the "T" in TULIP to be of paramount importance. One of t
heir writers argues that "the doctrine of total depravity [is] one of the mo
st important truths that needs to be re-emphasized in our day." He begins hi
s booklet by associating those who reject the Calvinist definition of total
depravity with the remarks of professional wrestler Macho Comacho who has no
conviction of sin; with those who deny that we are "sinners saved by grace"
; with those who try to attract sinners with excitement and avoid dealing wi
th sin; with those who try to build up the sinner's self-esteem; with those
who preach "a steady diet of positive inspiration ... reminiscent of Norman
Vincent Peale and Dale Carnegie," etc. 31 Yet these are all errors against w
hich non-Calvinists write and preach just as much as Calvinists do (and do s
o from Scripture), while rejecting the unbiblical theory of Total Depravity.
The writer being quoted then credits the doctrine of Total Depravity with un
iquely 1) causing us to despair of ourselves and to cast ourselves completel
y upon Christ alone for salvation, 2) humbling our pride, 3) helping us to w
itness to sinners as a fellow sinner, 4) causing us to fear trusting ourselv
es and driving us to trust totally in the Lord, 5) causing us to bear up und
er suffering without complaint, 6) giving us greater love and forgiveness to
ward those who wrong us, and 7) moving us to greater love and devotion to Go
d for His amazing grace.32
One wonders how that author could seriously believe that those of us who rej
ect Calvinism's peculiar definition of Total Depravity are therefore lacking
in these supposed exclusive benefits thereof. Non-Calvinists, without embra
cing this theory, have understood and received directly from Scripture and t
he indwelling power of the Holy Spirit all seven of these graces which he cr
edits to the doctrine of Total Depravity! | R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 2 Calvinists fit their doctrines with bible. They never fit bible with
doctrines. They even can change the translation of the scriptures to get
the best fit of their doctrine.
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: by Dave Hunt
: The Emperor's Clothes Again?
: Many of the verses Calvinists use to support "T" (such as John 1:13 and Roma
: ns 9:16) have nothing to do with the concept of total depravity. In such pas
: sages we are simply told that by our own will we cannot force ourselves upon
: God. He is the author of salvation and it is all by His mercy and grace, no
: t by our effort or will. None of such passages, however, declares that any m
: an cannot believe the gospel when it is offered to him with the convincing a
: nd convicting power of the Holy Spirit.
: Philippians 2:13 is also cited, but clearly this is talking about the Christ
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