l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 1 DISCRIMINATION AGAINST CATHOLIC
ADOPTION SERVICES
Local Catholic Charities agencies around the country have
long provided adoption and foster care services to the
neediest children. Catholic Charities agencies often take on
the most difficult placements, including older, abused
children and children with disabilities and special needs.
When placing children with couples, Catholic Charities
makes sure those children enjoy the advantage of having a
mom and a dad who are married.
In 2006, Catholic Charities of Boston, which had been one
of the nation’s oldest adoption agencies, faced a very
difficult choice: violate its conscience, or close its doors.
In order to be licensed by the state, Catholic Charities of
Boston would have to obey state laws barring “sexual
orientation discrimination.” And because marriage had been
redefined in Massachusetts, Catholic Charities could not
simply limit its placements to married couples. Catholic
leaders asked the state legislature for a religious exemption
but were refused. As a result, Catholic Charities of
Boston was forced to shut down its adoption services.
Later that year, Catholic Charities San Francisco faced a
similar untenable choice and was forced to end its adoption
services as well.
In Washington, DC, Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese
of Washington—which has provided support to children
and families for over eighty years—had a partnership with
the District of Columbia for its foster care and public
adoption program. However, in 2010, a law legalizing same sex
marriage in the District took effect. The District then
informed Catholic Charities that it would no longer be an
eligible foster care and adoption partner. Why? Because, as
a Catholic organization, Catholic Charities was committed to
placing children with couples consisting only of a mother
and a father who are married. Concerned District residents
appealed to bring the issue of marriage before voters so that
they could have a voice in the debate, but the D.C. Board of
Elections repeatedly denied voters’ request to put marriage
on the ballot.
Most recently, Catholic Charities affiliates in Illinois closed
down instead of complying with a new requirement that they
can no longer receive state money if they refuse to place
children with same-sex couples as foster or adoptive parents.
“In the name of tolerance, we’re not being tolerated,”
said Bishop Thomas J. Paprocki of the Diocese of
Springfield, Illinois, a civil and canon lawyer who fought for
Catholic Charities to retain its religious freedom in Illinois.
Is our most cherished freedom truly under threat?
Among many current challenges, several state governments
have sought to trample on the conscience rights of Catholic
charitable service providers. Religious liberty is more than
freedom of worship; it includes our ability to make our
contribution to the common good of all Americans without
having to compromise our faith. Without religious liberty
properly understood, all Americans suffer, including the
neediest children seeking adoptive and foster families.
http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/religious-liberty/fortni | E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 2 這是赤裸裸的歧視， 當然不能准許。 能以性取向歧視的話， 為什麼不能有個
宗教以膚色歧視？ 還抱怨人家不容忍他們歧視？
這些邪惡組織關門是好事。 | l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 3
I guess differences in sexual orientation is the same as differences in race
from your personal stance (or you want to persuade everyone, gay or
not, to believe so).
these adoption agencies have helped many normal couples to fulfill their
dream of becoming normal parents, and providing many orphans with normal
families -- and you call them "邪惡組織".
I can tolerate your gay rights but your bias against a normal family life &
christianity
have really perverted your capability of basic judgements.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: 這是赤裸裸的歧視， 當然不能准許。 能以性取向歧視的話， 為什麼不能有個
: 宗教以膚色歧視？ 還抱怨人家不容忍他們歧視？
: 這些邪惡組織關門是好事。
| E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 4 都是天生的。 不像迷信和歧視別人，後天比較多。
race
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: I guess differences in sexual orientation is the same as differences in race
: from your personal stance (or you want to persuade everyone, gay or
: not, to believe so).
: these adoption agencies have helped many normal couples to fulfill their
: dream of becoming normal parents, and providing many orphans with normal
: families -- and you call them "邪惡組織".
: I can tolerate your gay rights but your bias against a normal family life &
: christianity
: have really perverted your capability of basic judgements.
| l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 5
not true for homosexuality, and there are volumes of academic research on
this subject, and adoption by gay parents may not be in the best
interests of the adopted (given the lack of proper role models from normal
parents).
But you may choose to believe whatever it takes to justify your stance if
doing so make you feel better, just as you choose to believe in evolution
theory to deny God, and bash Bible because it lists homosexual as a sin.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: 都是天生的。 不像迷信和歧視別人，後天比較多。
:
: race
| E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 6 拿出點正經的研究看看。
另外，再次恭喜你和『打擊變態妖』的涼汁合流。
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: not true for homosexuality, and there are volumes of academic research on
: this subject, and adoption by gay parents may not be in the best
: interests of the adopted (given the lack of proper role models from normal
: parents).
: But you may choose to believe whatever it takes to justify your stance if
: doing so make you feel better, just as you choose to believe in evolution
: theory to deny God, and bash Bible because it lists homosexual as a sin.
| t*******d
发帖数: 2570 | 7 圣经上有说同性恋的家长不能成为好家长么？
如今太多的人把自己的偏见和歧视藏在“宗教信仰自由”的旗帜底下。
说宗教信仰自由的时候也好好考虑一下自己的这个想法是因为宗教信仰的原因有的还是
因为自己的偏见和歧视而有的。
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: DISCRIMINATION AGAINST CATHOLIC
: ADOPTION SERVICES
: Local Catholic Charities agencies around the country have
: long provided adoption and foster care services to the
: neediest children. Catholic Charities agencies often take on
: the most difficult placements, including older, abused
: children and children with disabilities and special needs.
: When placing children with couples, Catholic Charities
: makes sure those children enjoy the advantage of having a
: mom and a dad who are married.
| E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 8 我相信大部份是被宗教扭曲的。
【在 t*******d 的大作中提到】
: 圣经上有说同性恋的家长不能成为好家长么？
: 如今太多的人把自己的偏见和歧视藏在“宗教信仰自由”的旗帜底下。
: 说宗教信仰自由的时候也好好考虑一下自己的这个想法是因为宗教信仰的原因有的还是
: 因为自己的偏见和歧视而有的。
| h*****b
发帖数: 517 | 9 Could you provide some of the links for these academic research?
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: not true for homosexuality, and there are volumes of academic research on
: this subject, and adoption by gay parents may not be in the best
: interests of the adopted (given the lack of proper role models from normal
: parents).
: But you may choose to believe whatever it takes to justify your stance if
: doing so make you feel better, just as you choose to believe in evolution
: theory to deny God, and bash Bible because it lists homosexual as a sin.
| t*******d
发帖数: 2570 | 10 我提供一个说明同性恋的家长对领养儿童成长没影响的学术研究连接。能不能看到全文
就看你的本事了。
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1939-0025.2012.011
贴一下这个文章里关于以往的学术研究结果的总结：
Review of Research
Over the past two decades, research comparing child adjustment in same- and
different-sex families has generally indicated few differences. As noted
earlier, much of this research has focused on children of lesbian mothers (
often born through donor insemination) and indicates that children at all
stages of development (school-aged through adolescents) from these
households are similar to their peers raised in heterosexual households with
regard to their psychological well-being (self-esteem, anxiety, depression)
, behavioral problems, and peer relationships (see Biblarz & Savci, 2010,
for review). Longitudinal research on children raised by lesbian mothers (
and conceived through donor insemination) indicates positive outcomes as
well. Young children were uniformly positive when asked to describe what was
special about having a lesbian mother (Gartrell, Deck, Rodas, Peyser, &
Banks, 2005). As adolescents, these same children rated their quality of
life comparably to children raised in heterosexual families (van Gelderen,
Bos, Gartrell, Hermanns, & Perrin, 2012) and were characterized as having
higher school, social, and total competence and less problematic behavior
compared with normative samples (Gartrell & Bos, 2010). These findings
challenge long-standing theoretical debates regarding the necessity of
children having both a mother and a father by indicating that children seem
to fare well in the context of nonheterosexual homes (see Biblarz & Stacey,
2010, for extended discussion).
Much less is known, however, about children in adoptive households. The
limited research suggests many similarities among adoptive families,
regardless of the parents’ sexual orientation. Comparisons among 0–11-year
-old adopted children from gay or lesbian and heterosexual households showed
no differences in child behavior problems (Leung, Erich, & Kanenberg, 2005)
, and parent sexual orientation was not a significant predictor of
adolescents’ attachment to their parents in a study of gay, lesbian, and
heterosexual adoptive parents and their 11-year-olds through 19-year-olds (
Erich, Kanenberg, Case, Allen, & Bogdanos, 2009). A recent study of young
children (mean age = 3) adopted as infants from private adoption agencies
again found no differences in children’s internalizing or externalizing
problems or in children’s gender-role development, using parents’ and
teachers’ reports (Farr, Forssell, & Patterson, 2010). Other research among
preschool and school-aged Chinese girls adopted as infants by single-mother
, lesbian-couple, and heterosexual-couple households also showed many
similarities with regard to children’s behavioral adjustment several years
postadoption (Tan & Baggerly, 2009).
Despite the promise of these findings, they are not without their
limitations. First, the Leung et al. (2005) and Erich et al. (2009) studies
included significant variability in the type of adoption (public or private,
domestic or international) and thereby speak only indirectly to issues
relating to public adoption in the United States. Farr et al.’s (2010)
research only included children adopted as infants from private agencies,
who are known to be a much lower risk population than children adopted at
older ages through the social welfare system (Daly & Sobol, 1994). Second,
and more important, all of the existing or available studies on adopted
children were cross-sectional, thereby limiting our understanding of
children’s development over time. Most of the children had been placed for
several years at the time they were studied, offering little insight into
whether gay and lesbian parents promoted positive development at similar
rates to heterosexual parents over the course of the adoptive placement.
【在 h*****b 的大作中提到】
: Could you provide some of the links for these academic research?
| | | l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 11
Bible states homosexual as a sin.
是因为自己的偏见和歧视而有的。
please distinguish the difference between rights and privileges. Everyone is
entitled to their "equal rights", but only the qualified is entitled to
certain privileges.
I guess everyone has the right to marry whoever (or whatever) he/she love,
and bear their own children, but only the qualified ones have the privilege
to adopt an child too young to express its his/her own interests.
【在 t*******d 的大作中提到】
: 圣经上有说同性恋的家长不能成为好家长么？
: 如今太多的人把自己的偏见和歧视藏在“宗教信仰自由”的旗帜底下。
: 说宗教信仰自由的时候也好好考虑一下自己的这个想法是因为宗教信仰的原因有的还是
: 因为自己的偏见和歧视而有的。
| l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 12 thanks.
according to your post, "Much less is known, however, about children in
adoptive households" -- this stance is quite different from E's assertive
claim that homosexual "都是天生的", which would rule out any environmental
factors.
and
【在 t*******d 的大作中提到】
: 我提供一个说明同性恋的家长对领养儿童成长没影响的学术研究连接。能不能看到全文
: 就看你的本事了。
: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1939-0025.2012.011
: 贴一下这个文章里关于以往的学术研究结果的总结：
: Review of Research
: Over the past two decades, research comparing child adjustment in same- and
: different-sex families has generally indicated few differences. As noted
: earlier, much of this research has focused on children of lesbian mothers (
: often born through donor insemination) and indicates that children at all
: stages of development (school-aged through adolescents) from these
| l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 13
you can search on "environmental factors sexual orientation"
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=environmental+factor+sexual
as far as I understand there is no conclusion (genetic vs. environmental),
contrary to what lao E asserted 都是天生的。.
【在 h*****b 的大作中提到】
: Could you provide some of the links for these academic research?
| E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 14
她拿得出來，我給你100 偽幣
【在 h*****b 的大作中提到】
: Could you provide some of the links for these academic research?
| E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 15 不知道在胡扯些什麼
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: thanks.
: according to your post, "Much less is known, however, about children in
: adoptive households" -- this stance is quite different from E's assertive
: claim that homosexual "都是天生的", which would rule out any environmental
: factors.
:
: and
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 16 你的圣经也说了人天生就有罪，那你们为什么还要生儿育女呢？
is
privilege
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: you can search on "environmental factors sexual orientation"
: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=environmental+factor+sexual
: as far as I understand there is no conclusion (genetic vs. environmental),
: contrary to what lao E asserted 都是天生的。.
| l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 17
genetic and environmental factors on determining sexual orientation, in the
context of kids adopted by gay men.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: 不知道在胡扯些什麼
| h*****b
发帖数: 517 | 18 None of us are experts in this field, lets stop arguing for a moment.
Please provide some links for the academic researches you mentioned. To my
ignorance, I have not find any other than some religious opinions.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: thanks.
: according to your post, "Much less is known, however, about children in
: adoptive households" -- this stance is quite different from E's assertive
: claim that homosexual "都是天生的", which would rule out any environmental
: factors.
:
: and
| E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 19 你拍腦袋出來的？
the
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: genetic and environmental factors on determining sexual orientation, in the
: context of kids adopted by gay men.
| l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 20
same to you, on your assertion that homosexuality "都是天生的。", please
provide peer-
reviewed academic research to prove the genetic determination of human
sexual orientation.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: 拿出點正經的研究看看。
: 另外，再次恭喜你和『打擊變態妖』的涼汁合流。
| | | l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 21
As I said, there is no conclusion and it is certainly an biased
overstatement to claim homosexuality 都是天生的 -- maybe it were the case
for
whoever makes these claims but you can not draw any conclusion based on
these anecdotal self-claims and assert "都"是天生的.
You can start from the top of the search results I posted earlier -- it is
hard to isolate the environmental factors from the genetic dispositions (
alike skin color, which is genetic. so comparing homosexuality to skin
color is really far-fetched.)
http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/psp/78/3/524/
【在 h*****b 的大作中提到】
: None of us are experts in this field, lets stop arguing for a moment.
: Please provide some links for the academic researches you mentioned. To my
: ignorance, I have not find any other than some religious opinions.
| E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 22 是你宣稱有大量研究的，現在又拿不出來了？
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: As I said, there is no conclusion and it is certainly an biased
: overstatement to claim homosexuality 都是天生的 -- maybe it were the case
: for
: whoever makes these claims but you can not draw any conclusion based on
: these anecdotal self-claims and assert "都"是天生的.
: You can start from the top of the search results I posted earlier -- it is
: hard to isolate the environmental factors from the genetic dispositions (
: alike skin color, which is genetic. so comparing homosexuality to skin
: color is really far-fetched.)
| h*****b
发帖数: 517 | 23 Thanks.
To the best of knowledge, I agree with that Homosexual behavior is largely
shaped by genetics and random environmental factors.
Now lets shift our gear, do your think homosexuality is more sinful than
neglecting Sabbath? and why?
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: As I said, there is no conclusion and it is certainly an biased
: overstatement to claim homosexuality 都是天生的 -- maybe it were the case
: for
: whoever makes these claims but you can not draw any conclusion based on
: these anecdotal self-claims and assert "都"是天生的.
: You can start from the top of the search results I posted earlier -- it is
: hard to isolate the environmental factors from the genetic dispositions (
: alike skin color, which is genetic. so comparing homosexuality to skin
: color is really far-fetched.)
| C****s
发帖数: 208 | 24 re
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: DISCRIMINATION AGAINST CATHOLIC
: ADOPTION SERVICES
: Local Catholic Charities agencies around the country have
: long provided adoption and foster care services to the
: neediest children. Catholic Charities agencies often take on
: the most difficult placements, including older, abused
: children and children with disabilities and special needs.
: When placing children with couples, Catholic Charities
: makes sure those children enjoy the advantage of having a
: mom and a dad who are married.
|
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