j*******7
发帖数: 6300 | 1 Question: "Does God killing people make Him a murderer?"
Answer: The Old Testament records God killing multitudes of people, and
some people want to believe this makes Him a murderer. The misconception
that “killing” and “murder” are synonymous is partially based on the
King James mistranslation of the sixth commandment, which reads, “Thou
shalt not kill” (Exodus 20:13). However, the word kill is a translation of
the Hebrew word ratsach, which nearly always refers to intentional killing
without cause. The correct rendering of this word is “murder,” and all
modern translations render the command as “You shall not murder.” The
Bible in Basic English best conveys its meaning: “Do not put anyone to
death without cause.”
It is true that God has intentionally killed many people. (God never “
accidentally” does anything.) In fact, the Bible records that He literally
wiped out entire nations including women, children, cattle, etc. In addition
to that, God killed every living creature upon the face of the earth with
the exception of eight people and the animals on the ark (Genesis 7:21-23; 1
Peter 3:20). Does this make Him a murderer?
As already stated, to kill and to murder are different things. Murder is “
the premeditated, unlawful taking of a life,” whereas killing is, more
generally, “the taking of a life.” The same Law that forbids murder
permits killing in self-defense (Exodus 22:2).
In order for God to commit murder, He would have to act “unlawfully.” We
must recognize that God is God. “His works are perfect, and all His ways
are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is He” (
Deuteronomy 32:4; see also Psalm 11:7; 90:9). He created man and expects
obedience (Exodus 20:4-6; Exodus 23:21; 2 John 1:6). When man takes it upon
himself to disobey God, he faces God’s wrath (Exodus 19:5; Exodus 23:21-22;
Leviticus 26:14-18). Furthermore, “God is a just judge, and God is angry
with the wicked every day. If [man] does not turn back, He will sharpen His
sword; He bends His bow and makes it ready” (Psalm 7:11-12).
Some would argue that executing the innocent is murder; thus, when God wipes
out whole cities, He is committing murder. However, nowhere in Scripture
can we find where God killed “innocent” people. In fact, compared to God’
s holiness, there is no such thing as an “innocent” person. All have
sinned (Romans 3:23), and the penalty for sin is death (Romans 6:23a). God
has “just cause” to wipe us all out; the fact that He doesn’t is proof of
His mercy.
When God chose to destroy all mankind in the Flood, He was totally justified
in doing so: “Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in
the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil
continually” (Genesis 6:5).
During the conquest of Canaan, God ordered the complete destruction of
entire cities and nations: “But of the cities of these peoples which the
LORD your God gives you as an inheritance, you shall let nothing that
breathes remain alive, but you shall utterly destroy them: the Hittite and
the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the
Jebusite, just as the LORD your God has commanded you” (Deuteronomy 20:16-
17). And Joshua did what God had told him (Joshua 10:40).
Why did God give such a command? Israel was God’s instrument of judgment
against the Canaanites, who were evil, almost beyond what we can imagine
today: “Every abomination to the LORD which He hates they have done to
their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their
gods” (Deuteronomy 12:31). Their utter annihilation was commanded to
prevent Israel from following their ways: “Lest they teach you to do
according to all their abominations which they have done for their gods, and
you sin against the LORD your God” (Deuteronomy 20:18; also Deuteronomy 12
:29-30).
Even in the dire judgments of the Old Testament, God offered mercy. For
example, when God was about to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, God promised
Abraham that He would spare the whole city in order to save ten righteous
people there. Though God did destroy those cities (ten righteous people
could not be found), He saved “righteous Lot” and his family (Genesis 18:
32; Genesis 19:15; 2 Peter 2:7). Later, God destroyed Jericho, but He saved
Rahab the harlot and her family in response to Rahab’s faith (Joshua 6:25;
Hebrews 11:31). Until the final judgment, there is always mercy to be found.
Every person dies in God’s own time (Hebrews 9:27; Genesis 3:19). Jesus
holds the keys of death (Revelation 1:18). Does the fact that everyone
experiences physical death make God a “killer”? In the sense that He could
prevent all death, yes. He allows us to die. But He is no murderer. Death
is part of the human experience because we brought it into the world
ourselves (Romans 5:12). One day, as John Donne put it, “Death shall be no
more; death, thou shalt die.” God, in His grace, has conquered death for
those who are in Christ, and one day that truth will be fully realized: “
The last enemy to be subdued and abolished is death” (1 Corinthians 15:26).
God is faithful to His word. He will destroy the wicked, and He holds “the
unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment” (2
Peter 2:9). But He has also promised that “the gift of God is eternal life
in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23b).
http://www.gotquestions.org/God-killing.html | z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 2
基们就会喊口号。
那就请说清楚：那些被你家主子屠杀的婴儿们到底犯了什么死罪？
【在 j*******7 的大作中提到】
: Question: "Does God killing people make Him a murderer?"
: Answer: The Old Testament records God killing multitudes of people, and
: some people want to believe this makes Him a murderer. The misconception
: that “killing” and “murder” are synonymous is partially based on the
: King James mistranslation of the sixth commandment, which reads, “Thou
: shalt not kill” (Exodus 20:13). However, the word kill is a translation of
: the Hebrew word ratsach, which nearly always refers to intentional killing
: without cause. The correct rendering of this word is “murder,” and all
: modern translations render the command as “You shall not murder.” The
: Bible in Basic English best conveys its meaning: “Do not put anyone to
| m*1
发帖数: 1997 | 3 你支持美军炸死的几十万平民犯了什么死罪？
【在 z********o 的大作中提到】
:
: 基们就会喊口号。
: 那就请说清楚：那些被你家主子屠杀的婴儿们到底犯了什么死罪？
| j*******7
发帖数: 6300 | 4 基督信仰所说的罪的定义是以上帝圣洁的标准来界定的，不是人间法律所说的罪。基本
来说就是有一点不好就不能被上帝接纳，依上帝的审判就是死罪。
我敢说，按上帝的标准任何成人(耶稣除外)都会有罪。成人由婴儿发育而来，足见婴儿
必有罪根（即原罪）。婴儿罪行不明显是因其肉体还弱小。
【在 z********o 的大作中提到】
:
: 基们就会喊口号。
: 那就请说清楚：那些被你家主子屠杀的婴儿们到底犯了什么死罪？
| w******u
发帖数: 1098 | 5
平民没犯罪。美军为了赢得战争迫不得已的选择。美军不是“全知全能”的，所以美军
做不到不伤及无辜。
【在 m*1 的大作中提到】
: 你支持美军炸死的几十万平民犯了什么死罪？
| w******u
发帖数: 1098 | 6
照你的意思，所有的婴儿都是应该被杀死的，是不是？
【在 j*******7 的大作中提到】
: 基督信仰所说的罪的定义是以上帝圣洁的标准来界定的，不是人间法律所说的罪。基本
: 来说就是有一点不好就不能被上帝接纳，依上帝的审判就是死罪。
: 我敢说，按上帝的标准任何成人(耶稣除外)都会有罪。成人由婴儿发育而来，足见婴儿
: 必有罪根（即原罪）。婴儿罪行不明显是因其肉体还弱小。
| j*******7
发帖数: 6300 | 7 不是。上帝的公义和慈爱是并行不悖的，所以不会是所有的婴儿都被杀死，否则人类早
就不存在了。
旧约中他命令以色列人杀死所有迦南人是为了不让以色列人随从迦南人的罪恶，以确保
救恩的成功。迦南人中也有因信上帝而免了死亡甚至成为耶稣家谱上的祖先，显示了上
帝的怜悯、公平、慈爱。
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
:
: 照你的意思，所有的婴儿都是应该被杀死的，是不是？
| w******u
发帖数: 1098 | 8
你的阅读理解能力很有问题。拜托你看清楚问题：
照你的意思，所有的婴儿都是 应该 被杀死的，是不是？
【在 j*******7 的大作中提到】
: 不是。上帝的公义和慈爱是并行不悖的，所以不会是所有的婴儿都被杀死，否则人类早
: 就不存在了。
: 旧约中他命令以色列人杀死所有迦南人是为了不让以色列人随从迦南人的罪恶，以确保
: 救恩的成功。迦南人中也有因信上帝而免了死亡甚至成为耶稣家谱上的祖先，显示了上
: 帝的怜悯、公平、慈爱。
| j*******7
发帖数: 6300 | 9 照我的全部意思，也照你对“应该”的理解，不是所有的婴儿都是“应该”被杀死的。
人的罪最终是在末日审判时对那人不利，不一定就会引发那人在世时立即就被杀死。所
以很大一部分人还有机会因悔改信主而逃脱灭亡的命运。这是上帝的恩典。
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
:
: 你的阅读理解能力很有问题。拜托你看清楚问题：
: 照你的意思，所有的婴儿都是 应该 被杀死的，是不是？
| w******u
发帖数: 1098 | 10
嗯，那些被你家主子耶和华/耶稣屠杀的婴儿们比别的婴儿们多犯什么罪吗？
【在 j*******7 的大作中提到】
: 照我的全部意思，也照你对“应该”的理解，不是所有的婴儿都是“应该”被杀死的。
: 人的罪最终是在末日审判时对那人不利，不一定就会引发那人在世时立即就被杀死。所
: 以很大一部分人还有机会因悔改信主而逃脱灭亡的命运。这是上帝的恩典。
| j*******7
发帖数: 6300 | 11 路加福音 13
1 正当那时，有人将彼拉多使加利利人的血搀杂在他们祭物中的事，告诉耶稣。
2 耶稣说，你们以为这些加利利人比众加利利人更有罪，所以受这害吗？
3 我告诉你们，不是的。你们若不悔改，都要如此灭亡。
4 从前西罗亚楼倒塌了，压死十八个人，你们以为那些人比一切住在耶路撒冷的人更有
罪吗？
5 我告诉你们，不是的。你们若不悔改，都要如此灭亡。
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
:
: 嗯，那些被你家主子耶和华/耶稣屠杀的婴儿们比别的婴儿们多犯什么罪吗？
| J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 12 没必要把旧约中的几件事的讨论无限扩展到所有婴儿。
普通人死的痛苦是因为人自身有罪。对罪的惩罚就是死。所以，普通人的死可以说是咎
由自取。也许我们可以埋怨亚当为什么当初就这么傻呢。但是似乎从亚当犯了错后，罪
就散播开来，以至于没有任何一个人是没有罪的。
要讨论旧约Joshua等书中的圣战中以色列人为什么也要杀掉婴儿的问题很难，因为圣经
根本没有试图回答这个问题，我们只能猜测当时的情况和上帝的意图，等等。上帝对婴
儿的处置是否合理，我们根本无法判断，我只知道上帝知道的比人知道的要多很多。基
督徒相信上帝根据自己所知道的做了合理的决定。
我知道你不理解，这很正常，基督徒也不见得理解，我们无法完全理解上帝，尤其是上
帝没特意想让我们理解的那些事（比如旧约中圣战中婴儿的事，我们只能猜测）。但是
如果对上帝明确揭示给我们的事视而不见那就说不过去了。比如：
神爱世人，甚至将他的独生子赐给他们，叫一切信他的，不至灭亡，反得永生。
--圣经，约翰福音，3章16节
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
:
: 嗯，那些被你家主子耶和华/耶稣屠杀的婴儿们比别的婴儿们多犯什么罪吗？
| w******u
发帖数: 1098 | 13
答非所问。请回答问题：
嗯，那些被你家主子耶和华/耶稣屠杀的婴儿们比别的婴儿们多犯什么罪吗？
【在 j*******7 的大作中提到】
: 路加福音 13
: 1 正当那时，有人将彼拉多使加利利人的血搀杂在他们祭物中的事，告诉耶稣。
: 2 耶稣说，你们以为这些加利利人比众加利利人更有罪，所以受这害吗？
: 3 我告诉你们，不是的。你们若不悔改，都要如此灭亡。
: 4 从前西罗亚楼倒塌了，压死十八个人，你们以为那些人比一切住在耶路撒冷的人更有
: 罪吗？
: 5 我告诉你们，不是的。你们若不悔改，都要如此灭亡。
| w******u
发帖数: 1098 | 14
谁说我们不理解？“圣经”上下文很清楚：你家主子屠杀婴儿就是为了惩罚别人。比如
出埃及记你家主子一夜之间杀光埃及所有的头生子，这中间包括了很多婴儿，只为了惩
罚法老的过错。
你家主子用屠杀无辜婴儿的方法来惩罚别人，足以说明你家主子耶和华/耶稣是个邪恶
的恶棍。
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: 没必要把旧约中的几件事的讨论无限扩展到所有婴儿。
: 普通人死的痛苦是因为人自身有罪。对罪的惩罚就是死。所以，普通人的死可以说是咎
: 由自取。也许我们可以埋怨亚当为什么当初就这么傻呢。但是似乎从亚当犯了错后，罪
: 就散播开来，以至于没有任何一个人是没有罪的。
: 要讨论旧约Joshua等书中的圣战中以色列人为什么也要杀掉婴儿的问题很难，因为圣经
: 根本没有试图回答这个问题，我们只能猜测当时的情况和上帝的意图，等等。上帝对婴
: 儿的处置是否合理，我们根本无法判断，我只知道上帝知道的比人知道的要多很多。基
: 督徒相信上帝根据自己所知道的做了合理的决定。
: 我知道你不理解，这很正常，基督徒也不见得理解，我们无法完全理解上帝，尤其是上
: 帝没特意想让我们理解的那些事（比如旧约中圣战中婴儿的事，我们只能猜测）。但是
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