y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 1 e.g. small business owners.
你要加他的税,他哪还有钱去招人.
useful idiots们就是这么蠢. |
T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 2 Zambies.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: e.g. small business owners.
: 你要加他的税,他哪还有钱去招人.
: useful idiots们就是这么蠢.
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B**W
发帖数: 2273 | 3 What you said might be true on on side. But please think about the other
side. Think about their customers.
Just an easy example. A city could lower tax by cutting bus services. The
small business owner's customers who used to take buses to buy their
products then have to buy a car, pay insurance, pay gas, or pay taxi, or
just walk. As a result, the business might die as customers buy less with
less available money or visit less.
The market economy is a complex system and there are many feedback
mechanisms embedded in the system. Whoever think things only in one
direction need to think harder. Even the above example does not stop there.
You might say, with less tax, the business owner can lower the price of
their products to stimulate consumption. Then do they earn more with less
tax? What would happen next on the chain reaction?
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: e.g. small business owners.
: 你要加他的税,他哪还有钱去招人.
: useful idiots们就是这么蠢.
|
T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 4 If you have heard "Paris gets fed", your would not have written so much with
no clear thread of reasoning. The
answer is very simple, the private individuals can sort all the complexities
out most efficiently without government
intervention.
Just as what you said it is complex, why do you think government can figure
it out and provide the best solution?
Do you have capability to be consistant when you use your brain cells?
.
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: What you said might be true on on side. But please think about the other
: side. Think about their customers.
: Just an easy example. A city could lower tax by cutting bus services. The
: small business owner's customers who used to take buses to buy their
: products then have to buy a car, pay insurance, pay gas, or pay taxi, or
: just walk. As a result, the business might die as customers buy less with
: less available money or visit less.
: The market economy is a complex system and there are many feedback
: mechanisms embedded in the system. Whoever think things only in one
: direction need to think harder. Even the above example does not stop there.
|
B**W
发帖数: 2273 | 5 Please read history.
Where had the "perfect free market" led the world to?
Nobody says government is perfect. Government is also a player in the
complex system, not a god-like problem solver.
Hehe, again, some "guard" people on this board cannot discuss without
shitting. So, my time was successfully wasted.
with
complexities
figure
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: If you have heard "Paris gets fed", your would not have written so much with
: no clear thread of reasoning. The
: answer is very simple, the private individuals can sort all the complexities
: out most efficiently without government
: intervention.
: Just as what you said it is complex, why do you think government can figure
: it out and provide the best solution?
: Do you have capability to be consistant when you use your brain cells?
:
: .
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 6 What has government intervention led to?
Who and what caused the Housing Bubble? In case you have too short a memory
span to remember the Tech
Bubble, the Russion Default, the Asian Financial Crisis, the Mexican Crisis,
the Brazil crisis, the Argintina Default, the
Saving and Loan Crisis, the Hyper Inflation at Jim Carter years?
free market worked well until governments start to intervene to redistribute
wealth, which inevitably causes crisis and
crisis.
That's what I said, Paris gets fed without government even when Paris does
not produces grain and was a highly
copplex mega city. Yet you have 30% of population starving during the Great
Depression in the US even when
America at the same time overproduced grain and had to dump grain into the
ocean literally. You know why?
Because the government put in place a minimum pirce to stop price from
falling.
Why can't some people make their brain think strait? Zambies.
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: Please read history.
: Where had the "perfect free market" led the world to?
: Nobody says government is perfect. Government is also a player in the
: complex system, not a god-like problem solver.
: Hehe, again, some "guard" people on this board cannot discuss without
: shitting. So, my time was successfully wasted.
:
: with
: complexities
: figure
|
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 7 why everything has to be run by government after all,
e.g. schools?
.
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: What you said might be true on on side. But please think about the other
: side. Think about their customers.
: Just an easy example. A city could lower tax by cutting bus services. The
: small business owner's customers who used to take buses to buy their
: products then have to buy a car, pay insurance, pay gas, or pay taxi, or
: just walk. As a result, the business might die as customers buy less with
: less available money or visit less.
: The market economy is a complex system and there are many feedback
: mechanisms embedded in the system. Whoever think things only in one
: direction need to think harder. Even the above example does not stop there.
|
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 8 why every government entity has to be unionized?
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: why everything has to be run by government after all,
: e.g. schools?
:
: .
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q******s
发帖数: 7469 | 9 花街的一个back office都有那么多，外加小银行，律师，医生，是25万上收入的主流
巴。small business owner? 中餐管逃税漏税外加一年365天的开，成功的也就刚上20
万，好像small business owner 不是这个收入段的主流。
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: e.g. small business owners.
: 你要加他的税,他哪还有钱去招人.
: useful idiots们就是这么蠢.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 10 开小银行250k,吃屎去吧.
很多律师不挣钱,挣钱的远超250k.
医生?医生不就是small biz owner嘛...
20
【在 q******s 的大作中提到】
: 花街的一个back office都有那么多，外加小银行，律师，医生，是25万上收入的主流
: 巴。small business owner? 中餐管逃税漏税外加一年365天的开，成功的也就刚上20
: 万，好像small business owner 不是这个收入段的主流。
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 11 Everyone that makes 250k stole from you? Why are you justified to take from
them?
20
【在 q******s 的大作中提到】
: 花街的一个back office都有那么多，外加小银行，律师，医生，是25万上收入的主流
: 巴。small business owner? 中餐管逃税漏税外加一年365天的开，成功的也就刚上20
: 万，好像small business owner 不是这个收入段的主流。
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 12 For small business owners, they do not see the demands for their goods. So
they delay hiring. The second problem is lacking of credit from banks. It is
really hard to get a loan. The loan application is so strict that getting a
loan is like going to be trialed by the court. The bankers need so much
documentation and want to know everything about you. A tax cut will be nice
but not crucial. There is not tax increase in the past 3 years and
unemployment is still 17%. The most serious problem is lacking demands from
consumers, which will not increase in the foreseeable future if banks do not
give me a loan.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: e.g. small business owners.
: 你要加他的税,他哪还有钱去招人.
: useful idiots们就是这么蠢.
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a**t
发帖数: 3833 | 13 你是个蠢才，你好像生活在中国，不知道small business owners是美国的穷人。
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: e.g. small business owners.
: 你要加他的税,他哪还有钱去招人.
: useful idiots们就是这么蠢.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 14
If your business relies on government cheap bus service then you have a
bad business model to begin with and therefore deserve to suffer as that
subsidy is gone. Real successful business is self-reliant, not the kind
depending on government like you painted.
Sorry, your miserable spin fails.
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: Please read history.
: Where had the "perfect free market" led the world to?
: Nobody says government is perfect. Government is also a player in the
: complex system, not a god-like problem solver.
: Hehe, again, some "guard" people on this board cannot discuss without
: shitting. So, my time was successfully wasted.
:
: with
: complexities
: figure
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 15 This is true. 97% of small business owners have income less than $250K. I
pay zero federal tax but have to pay state tax because the state I am in
limit the loss (not true loss but amortization) deduction from the income.
【在 a**t 的大作中提到】
: 你是个蠢才，你好像生活在中国，不知道small business owners是美国的穷人。
|
T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 16 You are a parasite that live on productive people's blood. We knew that for
a while. What else is new?
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: This is true. 97% of small business owners have income less than $250K. I
: pay zero federal tax but have to pay state tax because the state I am in
: limit the loss (not true loss but amortization) deduction from the income.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 17 can you read? I just do not have to pay the federal tax. But I can not
escape social security and medicare tax. And my family do not qualify for
any government handouts. It would be nice if we could.
for
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: You are a parasite that live on productive people's blood. We knew that for
: a while. What else is new?
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e***s
发帖数: 1397 | 18 你好像生活在加拿大，你知道多少美国的small business owners？
【在 a**t 的大作中提到】
: 你是个蠢才，你好像生活在中国，不知道small business owners是美国的穷人。
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 19 Yes I can read. You live on government Hand-out taken from private sector
productive people, doing useless stuff
that will never get paid in the real world. You have paid nothing from you
labor that other productive people are willing
to buy out of their free will. That makes you a parasite.
Go get a real job, then you can call yourself a decent human being that can
be proud of yourself in front of your
family.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: can you read? I just do not have to pay the federal tax. But I can not
: escape social security and medicare tax. And my family do not qualify for
: any government handouts. It would be nice if we could.
:
: for
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j*******r
发帖数: 167 | 20 原来是通过deduction逃税的。
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: can you read? I just do not have to pay the federal tax. But I can not
: escape social security and medicare tax. And my family do not qualify for
: any government handouts. It would be nice if we could.
:
: for
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 21 It is not 逃税 but tax abatement and it is perfectly legal. You just move
your tax liability to the future years. What I do not understand is the tax
loop hole for the mega big business. Google is using double-Irish trick to
reduce their tax rate to 2%. Money is laundering to Irish then to UK then
back to US and the tax rate is magically reduced to 2%.
【在 j*******r 的大作中提到】
: 原来是通过deduction逃税的。
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f*******u
发帖数: 2018 | 22 你纯属是liberal的垃圾看多了，学文科的吧？
.
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: What you said might be true on on side. But please think about the other
: side. Think about their customers.
: Just an easy example. A city could lower tax by cutting bus services. The
: small business owner's customers who used to take buses to buy their
: products then have to buy a car, pay insurance, pay gas, or pay taxi, or
: just walk. As a result, the business might die as customers buy less with
: less available money or visit less.
: The market economy is a complex system and there are many feedback
: mechanisms embedded in the system. Whoever think things only in one
: direction need to think harder. Even the above example does not stop there.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 23 I do not believe that this is the view exclusively shared by liberals. To
balance the huge budget deficit, it is very obvious that cutting tax won't
work.
【在 f*******u 的大作中提到】
: 你纯属是liberal的垃圾看多了，学文科的吧？
:
: .
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 24 You people are so full of sxxxt. You don't want to pay tax, but you want to
raise other people's tax so you can benefit
form it, and then you call it legal. Always try to pick other people's
pocket.
What is wrong with you? and you can still tell your kids that you are a
decent human being?
tax
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: It is not 逃税 but tax abatement and it is perfectly legal. You just move
: your tax liability to the future years. What I do not understand is the tax
: loop hole for the mega big business. Google is using double-Irish trick to
: reduce their tax rate to 2%. Money is laundering to Irish then to UK then
: back to US and the tax rate is magically reduced to 2%.
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f*******u
发帖数: 2018 | 25 你知道奥巴马怎样解释在里根政府减税政策下revenue其实不断增长的事实吗？
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: I do not believe that this is the view exclusively shared by liberals. To
: balance the huge budget deficit, it is very obvious that cutting tax won't
: work.
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f*******u
发帖数: 2018 | 26 你先把稅表弄清楚
【在 a**t 的大作中提到】
: 你是个蠢才，你好像生活在中国，不知道small business owners是美国的穷人。
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 27 Reagen did not have $1.4 trillion deficit out of $3.7 trillion spending.
Assume economic growth of 5%, total revenue growth will be 700 billions. (14
trillions (GDP)*5% grow rate) Assume tax rate 28%, so the additional tax
revenue will be 700*28=196 billions. This will not be enough to reduce the
deficit. You will have deficit of $1.2 trillions.
Assume you want to cut spending to reduce $1.2 trillions deficit. This is
reducing spending of 33%. Because there are certain items that can not be
cut such as interest payment of $13 trillion debt $500 billions per year. If
the rate is increased from 4% now to regular 8%, the interest payment will
be $1.0 trillions. To balance the budget,
all spending will have to be cut in half. If you do not want to touch social
security, medicare and defense, all other spending have to be cut. This
means there is no spending on research and development, no unemployment
benefit, no food stamp, and education. This country will become a third
world country in the end.
I am very pessimistic now.
【在 f*******u 的大作中提到】
: 你知道奥巴马怎样解释在里根政府减税政策下revenue其实不断增长的事实吗？
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 28 Small business owner will foot the bill in the end. However, the big
businesses escape the tax with the help of government officers elected with
their big money.
The problem is there is huge deficit and no body want to sacrifice. For
cutting spending, everyone is for. The devil is in details. Which one of the
budgets you want to cut? The cut need to be around 50% to balance the
budget.
Majority of American want the government support social security, medicare,
defense but do not want to pay the bill.
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: You people are so full of sxxxt. You don't want to pay tax, but you want to
: raise other people's tax so you can benefit
: form it, and then you call it legal. Always try to pick other people's
: pocket.
: What is wrong with you? and you can still tell your kids that you are a
: decent human being?
:
: tax
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 29 why this question again?
it is very simple.
e.g. there is currently 60billion fraud and waste in medicare EVERY year.
how about start from there.
with
the
,
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Small business owner will foot the bill in the end. However, the big
: businesses escape the tax with the help of government officers elected with
: their big money.
: The problem is there is huge deficit and no body want to sacrifice. For
: cutting spending, everyone is for. The devil is in details. Which one of the
: budgets you want to cut? The cut need to be around 50% to balance the
: budget.
: Majority of American want the government support social security, medicare,
: defense but do not want to pay the bill.
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 30 Liberals always lie and cheat.
No sacrifice is needed to balance the budget.
Once the parasites stop sucking blood, the deficit automaticly disappears.
You would call it a sacrifice for the parasites to stop sucking our blood,
though.
YOU LIE!
with
the
,
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Small business owner will foot the bill in the end. However, the big
: businesses escape the tax with the help of government officers elected with
: their big money.
: The problem is there is huge deficit and no body want to sacrifice. For
: cutting spending, everyone is for. The devil is in details. Which one of the
: budgets you want to cut? The cut need to be around 50% to balance the
: budget.
: Majority of American want the government support social security, medicare,
: defense but do not want to pay the bill.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 31 I takes what you said. If $60billion fraud can be magically disappear, does
it matter compared to $1400 billions deficit? The reality is that you need
spend $120 billions to recruit private inspectors to stop the $60 fraud. The
life is always complicated and the expense will have to be considered to do
anything.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: why this question again?
: it is very simple.
: e.g. there is currently 60billion fraud and waste in medicare EVERY year.
: how about start from there.
:
: with
: the
: ,
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 32 I am no liberal. I am economically conservative and socially liberal. I
hate liberal's nonsense of global warming, dirt coal and stopping drilling
in the USA, nuclear power plant, railroad etc etc.
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: Liberals always lie and cheat.
: No sacrifice is needed to balance the budget.
: Once the parasites stop sucking blood, the deficit automaticly disappears.
: You would call it a sacrifice for the parasites to stop sucking our blood,
: though.
: YOU LIE!
:
: with
: the
: ,
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 33 But you are for other people paying more taxes, so you can benefit.
That makes you a what?
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: I am no liberal. I am economically conservative and socially liberal. I
: hate liberal's nonsense of global warming, dirt coal and stopping drilling
: in the USA, nuclear power plant, railroad etc etc.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 34
How are you a conservative when you demanded one group of people to cover
the insurance for another?
You are a full-blown socialist parasite.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: I am no liberal. I am economically conservative and socially liberal. I
: hate liberal's nonsense of global warming, dirt coal and stopping drilling
: in the USA, nuclear power plant, railroad etc etc.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 35 This is a misunderstanding.
This is exactly how the system works now.
If you had no income, you got free health care. It is called medicaid. the
law was passed a long time ago in 1930s.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: How are you a conservative when you demanded one group of people to cover
: the insurance for another?
: You are a full-blown socialist parasite.
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 36 This exactly how the system is broke now, not how it works now.
When one group takes without pay, it is called stealing/robbing in my
society.
That is what you people do.
can you be honest with youself and your family at least, tell your kids
that their daddy takes from others without paying for it, and ask them if it is right.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: This is a misunderstanding.
: This is exactly how the system works now.
: If you had no income, you got free health care. It is called medicaid. the
: law was passed a long time ago in 1930s.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 37 Honestly, I actually agree with you. To make your system to work, the USA
has to work like the Chinese system, paying the money upfront and getting
the treatment later. If you could not pay, you had no medical treatment.
Otherwise, there are always lots of free loaders. Get expensive treatment
first and refuse to pay or can not pay.
But those could not explain why the medical cost in the USA is three time
more expansive ($7500 per person per year) than Japan ($2500 per year per
person). But the quality of USA is three times worse than Japan (average
life span in the USA is 10 years less). What makes the USA's medical system
so much expensive while delivering the crappiest services in the developed
countries? Does Japan have a single pay system? If your logical is right,
Japan's system should cost $25000 per person and life span should be around
60 not 85.
it is right.
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: This exactly how the system is broke now, not how it works now.
: When one group takes without pay, it is called stealing/robbing in my
: society.
: That is what you people do.
: can you be honest with youself and your family at least, tell your kids
: that their daddy takes from others without paying for it, and ask them if it is right.
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 38 1. in Japan, if you are terminally ill or if your treatment costs too much,
you pay out of pocket or you die. We call it
death panel here in the US.
2. Japanese Pharma companies makes very little money Int the Japanese market
, they make majority of money out
of the US market. So we the US tax layers are subsidizing the JApanese
patients.
3. japan is broke, their system is not going to last long.
It is very simple, whatever you are getting, for free, some productive
people is paying for it. In another word, we call
you PARASITE.
system
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Honestly, I actually agree with you. To make your system to work, the USA
: has to work like the Chinese system, paying the money upfront and getting
: the treatment later. If you could not pay, you had no medical treatment.
: Otherwise, there are always lots of free loaders. Get expensive treatment
: first and refuse to pay or can not pay.
: But those could not explain why the medical cost in the USA is three time
: more expansive ($7500 per person per year) than Japan ($2500 per year per
: person). But the quality of USA is three times worse than Japan (average
: life span in the USA is 10 years less). What makes the USA's medical system
: so much expensive while delivering the crappiest services in the developed
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 39 Plus, don't give this Japan Cxxp.
Very few people in this world understand Japan as well as I do.
system
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Honestly, I actually agree with you. To make your system to work, the USA
: has to work like the Chinese system, paying the money upfront and getting
: the treatment later. If you could not pay, you had no medical treatment.
: Otherwise, there are always lots of free loaders. Get expensive treatment
: first and refuse to pay or can not pay.
: But those could not explain why the medical cost in the USA is three time
: more expansive ($7500 per person per year) than Japan ($2500 per year per
: person). But the quality of USA is three times worse than Japan (average
: life span in the USA is 10 years less). What makes the USA's medical system
: so much expensive while delivering the crappiest services in the developed
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B******e
发帖数: 5730 | 40 small business owner 可以合法地逃税
一般都想办法，做到 0 income
如果净收入还有25万
那就不是 small business |
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 41 You people are so shameless, pick other people's pocket and feel justified
at the same time.
【在 B******e 的大作中提到】
: small business owner 可以合法地逃税
: 一般都想办法，做到 0 income
: 如果净收入还有25万
: 那就不是 small business
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L****l
发帖数: 594 | 42 Balanced point of view.
.
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: What you said might be true on on side. But please think about the other
: side. Think about their customers.
: Just an easy example. A city could lower tax by cutting bus services. The
: small business owner's customers who used to take buses to buy their
: products then have to buy a car, pay insurance, pay gas, or pay taxi, or
: just walk. As a result, the business might die as customers buy less with
: less available money or visit less.
: The market economy is a complex system and there are many feedback
: mechanisms embedded in the system. Whoever think things only in one
: direction need to think harder. Even the above example does not stop there.
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 43 pick-pockets' point of view.
【在 L****l 的大作中提到】
: Balanced point of view.
:
: .
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