d**d
发帖数: 238 | 1 31,487 U.S. Scientists Reject Global Warming Hoax
A growing list of 31,487 U.S. scientists (and counting) has signed a
petition strongly rejecting as unproven the hypothesis of man-made global
warming or climate change. These signers include four NASA astronauts, at
least two Nobel Prize winning physicists, 9,029 Ph.D.s and some of the
nation’s top climatologists. Only U.S. scientists are included in this
particular petition. Only relevant scientific fields are included.
Ball-and-stick model of carbon dioxide (By Jynto [CC0], via Wikimedia
Commons)
The “Global Warming Petition Project” includes a dramatically strong
statement to which 31,487 scientists have already signed their names:
There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon
dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the
foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere
and disruption of the Earth’s climate. Moreover, there is substantial
scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce
many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of
the Earth.
This is very strong statement. A vastly larger number of signers would sign
a less-dramatic, less-controversial petition statement. Other scientists
would only want to say that they remain undecided and are not part of the
fabled “consensus.”
Similarly, most scientists would be discouraged from stating that increased
carbon dioxide is actually beneficial to the climate. Therefore, most
scientists who do not count themselves among the fabled “consensus” would
not go so far as to sign this particular petition.
The petition includes the further statement, which relatively few scientists
would sign on to, even if they reject a consensus on climate change. Most
scientists would prefer to state that they do not know one way or the other:
We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement
that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar
proposals. The proposed limits would harm the environment, hinder the
advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of
mankind.
The project website explains the project as follows:
These scientists are instead convinced that the human-caused global warming
hypothesis is without scientific validity and that government action on the
basis of this hypothesis would unnecessarily and counterproductively damage
both human prosperity and the natural environment of the Earth.
The project website states:
Realizing, from discussions with their scientific colleagues, that this
claimed ‘consensus’ does not exist, a group of scientists initiated the
Petition Project in early 1998.
The project explains:
The purpose of the Petition Project is to demonstrate that the claim of ‘
settled science’ and an overwhelming ‘consensus’ in favor of the
hypothesis of human-caused global warming and consequent climatological
damage is wrong. No such consensus or settled science exists. As indicated
by the petition text and signatory list, a very large number of American
scientists reject this hypothesis.
The project website further explains:
In PhD scientist signers alone, the project already includes 15-times more
scientists than are seriously involved in the United Nations IPCC process.
The very large number of petition signers demonstrates that, if there is a
consensus among American scientists, it is in opposition to the human-caused
global warming hypothesis rather than in favor of it.
The hypothesis of man-made global warming is particularly controversial
because there have never been any empirical experiments testing the effect
of carbon dioxide in the open atmosphere. The hypothesis rests exclusively
on computer models. Models are created by humans and merely reflect the
assumptions and biases of the humans who create them. The only test of such
models is whether they predict accurately future events. However, climate
change models consistently fail to predict real-world temperatures. A real
scientist would reject models that fail that acid test.
Although it is observed in the laboratory that CO2 absorbs and holds heat,
how CO2 behaves in the open atmosphere in a planet-wide climactic system
cannot be tested. One challenge is that atmospheric gases circulate freely.
The air containing minor traces of CO2 can easily soar many miles up to high
altitudes, where the thin air can radiate heat into outer space.
Earth’s orbit with 0.5 eccentricity. Although Earth’s orbit is never this
eccentric, the illustration indicates the potential long-term effects on
earth’s temperatures (By NASA, Mysid [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons)
Another challenge is that researchers must distinguish any effects resulting
from CO2 as opposed to natural climate cycles caused by variations in the
Earth’s orbit around the sun. The Earth’s orbit changes from egg-shaped to
nearly circular and back again due to the gravitational pull of the other
planets. These overlapping Malkinovitch cycles affect the Earth’s climate
over tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of years, causing periodic
ice ages. The Earth’s temperature has changed over geologic history due to
orbital variations affecting the distance to the sun throughout the year.
Science, of course, was effectively established by the “scientific method”
popularized by Sir Francis Bacon in Bacon’s 1620 book Novum Organum. (
Bacon rejected the thought experiment methods from Aristotle’s Organum,
which today’s post-modern scientists have returned to.) The scientific
method mandates that every hypothesis must be tested and proven by empirical
experiments, and those experiments must be repeated and reproduced by many
independent, unrelated teams of unbiased researchers under varying
conditions in different locations.
Readers may recall “cold fusion.” Researchers at the University of Utah
claimed to have discovered techniques for conducting nuclear fusion—the
immensely-powerful nuclear engine that powers the sun—at room temperatures.
This would have revolutionized human life everywhere. But the Fleischmann–
Pons experiment could not be reproduced by other researchers. Even
convincing scientific experimental results are not valid until replicated by
independent teams.
The petition project was started by Frederick Seitz, Past President of the U
.S. National Academy of Sciences and President Emeritus of Rockefeller
University, and a former director of the atomic energy training program at
Oak Ridge (Tenn.) National Laboratory, and former physics teacher at a
number of top universities (now deceased).
Despite the death of its founder, the project drive is continuing to add
names. However, a limited budget restricts how fast and thoroughly the
petition list can grow.
Moreover, the current totals of 31,487 signers, including 9,029 PhDs, are
limited only by Petition Project resources. With more funds for printing and
postage, these numbers would be much higher.
A 12-page review article about the human-caused global warming hypothesis is
circulated with the petition.
New signatures are being collected by successors here.
http://fairfaxfreecitizen.com/2017/06/04/31487-u-s-scientists-reject-global-warming-hoax/ | p**j
发帖数: 7063 | 2 顶
【在 d**d 的大作中提到】
: 31,487 U.S. Scientists Reject Global Warming Hoax
: A growing list of 31,487 U.S. scientists (and counting) has signed a
: petition strongly rejecting as unproven the hypothesis of man-made global
: warming or climate change. These signers include four NASA astronauts, at
: least two Nobel Prize winning physicists, 9,029 Ph.D.s and some of the
: nation’s top climatologists. Only U.S. scientists are included in this
: particular petition. Only relevant scientific fields are included.
: Ball-and-stick model of carbon dioxide (By Jynto [CC0], via Wikimedia
: Commons)
: The “Global Warming Petition Project” includes a dramatically strong
| c*********e
发帖数: 774 | 3 你是猴子派来的逗逼吗
These signers include two Nobel Prize winning physicists。
2个诺贝尔奖科学家？
你知道多少顶尖科学家反对Trump退出巴黎协定吗
美國國家科學院（United States National Academy of Sciences, NAS）的375名科學
家聯名發表公開信，
其中包含32名諾貝爾獎得主對此提出警訊，反对退出巴黎協定。
美国物理学会，美国地球物理学会都以学会名义支持气候变化说
甚至美国共和党控制国会以98比1承认气候变化是真实的不是hoax。
【在 d**d 的大作中提到】
: 31,487 U.S. Scientists Reject Global Warming Hoax
: A growing list of 31,487 U.S. scientists (and counting) has signed a
: petition strongly rejecting as unproven the hypothesis of man-made global
: warming or climate change. These signers include four NASA astronauts, at
: least two Nobel Prize winning physicists, 9,029 Ph.D.s and some of the
: nation’s top climatologists. Only U.S. scientists are included in this
: particular petition. Only relevant scientific fields are included.
: Ball-and-stick model of carbon dioxide (By Jynto [CC0], via Wikimedia
: Commons)
: The “Global Warming Petition Project” includes a dramatically strong
| e*c
发帖数: 642 | 4 这事在wikipedia上已经有词条了。摘抄一段：
“took a random sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.
D. in a climate-related science.
Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they still
agreed with the petition —- one was an active climate researcher, two
others had relevant expertise, and eight signed based on an informal
evaluation. Six said they would not sign the petition today, three did not
remember any such petition, one had died, and five did not answer repeated
messages. Crudely extrapolating, the petition supporters include a core of
about 200 climate researchers – a respectable number, though rather a small
fraction of the climatological community.”
【在 d**d 的大作中提到】
: 31,487 U.S. Scientists Reject Global Warming Hoax
: A growing list of 31,487 U.S. scientists (and counting) has signed a
: petition strongly rejecting as unproven the hypothesis of man-made global
: warming or climate change. These signers include four NASA astronauts, at
: least two Nobel Prize winning physicists, 9,029 Ph.D.s and some of the
: nation’s top climatologists. Only U.S. scientists are included in this
: particular petition. Only relevant scientific fields are included.
: Ball-and-stick model of carbon dioxide (By Jynto [CC0], via Wikimedia
: Commons)
: The “Global Warming Petition Project” includes a dramatically strong
| a*****1
发帖数: 3817 | 5 为何牛顿力学没有人反对， 因为是真科学。
只要有一个真正的科学家反对 Global Warming ， 就可以说明 Global Warming 是个
假货。
发信人: edc (Nothing), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 31,487 U.S. Scientists Reject Global Warming Hoax
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jun 4 19:30:08 2017, 美东)
这事在wikipedia上已经有词条了。摘抄一段：
“took a random sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.
D. in a climate-related science.
Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they still
agreed with the petition —- one was an active climate researcher, two
others had relevant expertise, and eight signed based on an informal
evaluation. Six said they would not sign the petition today, three did not
remember any such petition, one had died, and five did not answer repeated
messages. Crudely extrapolating, the petition supporters include a core of
about 200 climate researchers – a respectable number, though rather a
small
fraction of the climatological community.”
: A growing list of 31,487 U.S. scientists (and counting) has signed a
: petition strongly rejecting as unproven the hypothesis of man-made global
: warming or climate change. These signers include four NASA astronauts, at
: least two Nobel Prize winning physicists, 9,029 Ph.D.s and some of the
: nation’s top climatologists. Only U.S. scientists are included in this
: particular petition. Only relevant scientific fields are included.
: Ball-and-stick model of carbon dioxide (By Jynto [CC0], via Wikimedia
: Commons)
: The “Global Warming Petition Project” includes a dramatically strong
【在 d**d 的大作中提到】
: 31,487 U.S. Scientists Reject Global Warming Hoax
: A growing list of 31,487 U.S. scientists (and counting) has signed a
: petition strongly rejecting as unproven the hypothesis of man-made global
: warming or climate change. These signers include four NASA astronauts, at
: least two Nobel Prize winning physicists, 9,029 Ph.D.s and some of the
: nation’s top climatologists. Only U.S. scientists are included in this
: particular petition. Only relevant scientific fields are included.
: Ball-and-stick model of carbon dioxide (By Jynto [CC0], via Wikimedia
: Commons)
: The “Global Warming Petition Project” includes a dramatically strong
| b********t
发帖数: 1776 | 6 疮舔真是太无知了。 这些鸟是怎么混到到美国来的？
爱因斯坦至死反对量子力学理论，到底是爱因斯坦不是真正的科学家呢，还是量子力学
是个假货？
Ph.
still
【在 a*****1 的大作中提到】
: 为何牛顿力学没有人反对， 因为是真科学。
: 只要有一个真正的科学家反对 Global Warming ， 就可以说明 Global Warming 是个
: 假货。
: 发信人: edc (Nothing), 信区: USANews
: 标 题: Re: 31,487 U.S. Scientists Reject Global Warming Hoax
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jun 4 19:30:08 2017, 美东)
: 这事在wikipedia上已经有词条了。摘抄一段：
: “took a random sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.
: D. in a climate-related science.
: Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they still
| a*****1
发帖数: 3817 | 7 我是独立派， 和疮舔无关。 你丫就个二百五。连这么简单的事实都不懂。
量子理论开始是漏洞百出。 所以 爱因斯坦 当然反对。
也正是 爱因斯坦 的不断反对， 量子理论才得到完善， 后期的量子理论和早期的量
子理论 已经不完全一样了。
你就是个笨蛋， 只看到表面， 看不到本质。
========================================
发信人: bluewallet (tiger), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 31,487 U.S. Scientists Reject Global Warming Hoax
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jun 4 20:06:15 2017, 美东)
疮舔真是太无知了。 这些鸟是怎么混到到美国来的？
爱因斯坦至死反对量子力学理论，到底是爱因斯坦不是真正的科学家呢，还是量子力学
是个假货？
【 在 addadd1 (haha1) 的大作中提到: 】
: 标 题: Re: 31,487 U.S. Scientists Reject Global Warming Hoax
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jun 4 19:30:08 2017, 美东)
: 这事在wikipedia上已经有词条了。摘抄一段：
Ph.
: D. in a climate-related science.
: Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they
still
: ................... | a*****1
发帖数: 3817 | 8 哈哈， 你又上当了， 傻瓜。
你看看连 爱因斯坦 这样一个最伟大的科学家都会犯错， 这也证明任何支持 Global
Warming 的 科学家，诺贝尔奖， 都有可能 是错的。
发信人: bluewallet (tiger), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 31,487 U.S. Scientists Reject Global Warming Hoax
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jun 4 20:06:15 2017, 美东)
疮舔真是太无知了。 这些鸟是怎么混到到美国来的？
爱因斯坦至死反对量子力学理论，到底是爱因斯坦不是真正的科学家呢，还是量子力学
是个假货？
【 在 addadd1 (haha1) 的大作中提到: 】
: 标 题: Re: 31,487 U.S. Scientists Reject Global Warming Hoax
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jun 4 19:30:08 2017, 美东)
: 这事在wikipedia上已经有词条了。摘抄一段：
Ph.
: D. in a climate-related science.
: Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they
still
: ................... | f*********1
发帖数: 2518 | 9 顶尖科学家可以支持global warming，但是老川不退巴黎协议global 就保持不warming
了吗？老川退不退巴黎协议关科学家鸟事，那是老川和纳税人之间的事。谁也没挡着科
学家去研究这个问题，咱们就是等他们研究出个子丑寅卯来再决定如何行事。
：你是猴子派来的逗逼吗
： | b********t
发帖数: 1776 | 10 疮舔两个基本功： 舔 和 打滚。
我们是在讨论科学会不会错的问题吗？科学当然会错， 科学的过程就是一个不断修正
的过程。但是修正的原因是基于新的数据和发现。
力学
【在 a*****1 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈， 你又上当了， 傻瓜。
: 你看看连 爱因斯坦 这样一个最伟大的科学家都会犯错， 这也证明任何支持 Global
: Warming 的 科学家，诺贝尔奖， 都有可能 是错的。
: 发信人: bluewallet (tiger), 信区: USANews
: 标 题: Re: 31,487 U.S. Scientists Reject Global Warming Hoax
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jun 4 20:06:15 2017, 美东)
: 疮舔真是太无知了。 这些鸟是怎么混到到美国来的？
: 爱因斯坦至死反对量子力学理论，到底是爱因斯坦不是真正的科学家呢，还是量子力学
: 是个假货？
: 【 在 addadd1 (haha1) 的大作中提到: 】
| | | f*********1
发帖数: 2518 | 11 川粉不用。你见哪个心满意足的人需要满地打滚？BTW，我也不是川粉，我从来不看老
川讲话，可是调戏版上川黑是我的业余爱好。
：
：疮舔两个基本功： 舔 和 打滚。 | a*****1
发帖数: 3817 | 12 反川小丑的逻辑就是这么多科学家认为地球变暖，所以地球变暖
于是可以不顾事实，
【在 b********t 的大作中提到】
: 疮舔两个基本功： 舔 和 打滚。
: 我们是在讨论科学会不会错的问题吗？科学当然会错， 科学的过程就是一个不断修正
: 的过程。但是修正的原因是基于新的数据和发现。
:
: 力学
| r*********t
发帖数: 4911 | 13 第一，爱因斯坦最初是支持量子力学的
第二，爱因斯坦反对量子力学的理由更多的是哲学而非科学
第三，他多次尝试disprove量子力学，然而多次失败。
第四，科学家隔行如隔山，不同行当间指手画脚make no sense. 本文犯了一个大问题
，那就是数量不能决定质量。31487个科学家反对变暖，并不表示不变暖。反过来，
bluewallet给出的证据所谓大家公认气候变化/变暖，也是毫无意义的。公认和事实没
有半毛钱关系。
【在 b********t 的大作中提到】
: 疮舔真是太无知了。 这些鸟是怎么混到到美国来的？
: 爱因斯坦至死反对量子力学理论，到底是爱因斯坦不是真正的科学家呢，还是量子力学
: 是个假货？
:
: Ph.
: still
| a*****1
发帖数: 3817 | 14 就是
爱因斯坦反对量子力学
更证明了任何支持地球变暖的科学家都可能错了
【在 r*********t 的大作中提到】
: 第一，爱因斯坦最初是支持量子力学的
: 第二，爱因斯坦反对量子力学的理由更多的是哲学而非科学
: 第三，他多次尝试disprove量子力学，然而多次失败。
: 第四，科学家隔行如隔山，不同行当间指手画脚make no sense. 本文犯了一个大问题
: ，那就是数量不能决定质量。31487个科学家反对变暖，并不表示不变暖。反过来，
: bluewallet给出的证据所谓大家公认气候变化/变暖，也是毫无意义的。公认和事实没
: 有半毛钱关系。
| d******y
发帖数: 2787 | 15 没错，左左谈到数学和逻辑都是妥妥的笑话
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 16
【在 a*****1 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈， 你又上当了， 傻瓜。
: 你看看连 爱因斯坦 这样一个最伟大的科学家都会犯错， 这也证明任何支持 Global
: Warming 的 科学家，诺贝尔奖， 都有可能 是错的。
: 发信人: bluewallet (tiger), 信区: USANews
: 标 题: Re: 31,487 U.S. Scientists Reject Global Warming Hoax
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jun 4 20:06:15 2017, 美东)
: 疮舔真是太无知了。 这些鸟是怎么混到到美国来的？
: 爱因斯坦至死反对量子力学理论，到底是爱因斯坦不是真正的科学家呢，还是量子力学
: 是个假货？
: 【 在 addadd1 (haha1) 的大作中提到: 】
| d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 16 气候变化在诡辩上就是一个不可证伪的命题。 所以支持它完全没有心理障碍， 然而反
对它却无法有效辩驳。
就类似你无法在神学的体系里证伪上帝一样。
所以科学很重要的一个定义， 就是可证伪。
climate change本质上是一个自定义体系。 举个例子，
我说奥巴马一定会死。
然后可以把各种因素强加在在他的死因上面。
奥巴马是因为吸过大麻， 所以会死。
奥巴马是因为做过总统， 所以会死。
奥巴马是做了太多坏事， 所以会死。
甚至，
奥巴马吸了太多的氧气， 所以会死。
而且，
奥巴马吸入的氧气越多， 他死的就越快。
这就是典型的通过数据correlation得出一个自定义结论. 很可笑吧。
climate change玩的是同一套逻辑。 所以， 无从辩驳。
更不能从气候学本身来去否定它。
因为它走的就是神学的套路。 你无法证明死后是否有灵魂有天堂。 你同样无法证明
100年以后的世界什么样， 是什么因素造成的。
【在 d******y 的大作中提到】
: 没错，左左谈到数学和逻辑都是妥妥的笑话
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 16
| s********7
发帖数: 1280 | 17 科学不需要投票表示他正不正确
科学只需要证据和论证
【在 d**d 的大作中提到】
: 31,487 U.S. Scientists Reject Global Warming Hoax
: A growing list of 31,487 U.S. scientists (and counting) has signed a
: petition strongly rejecting as unproven the hypothesis of man-made global
: warming or climate change. These signers include four NASA astronauts, at
: least two Nobel Prize winning physicists, 9,029 Ph.D.s and some of the
: nation’s top climatologists. Only U.S. scientists are included in this
: particular petition. Only relevant scientific fields are included.
: Ball-and-stick model of carbon dioxide (By Jynto [CC0], via Wikimedia
: Commons)
: The “Global Warming Petition Project” includes a dramatically strong
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