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dzry67 (碧水) 于 (Fri Apr 2 22:04:43 2010, 美东) 提到:
You cannot die even you want to. Body dies, but you are not the body. Mind
dies, but you are not the mind, either. Body is like the car you are driving
. It is important. But it is not you. Mind is like the clothes you are
wearing. It is useful to you. But it is not you. You are the eternal
awareness. Most people think they are taking good care of themselves. But
they don't. You must first identify who you are before you do anything to
you. Body and mind die. I can assure you that, there are no after life and
there are no pre-life. What is gone is gone. What remains always remains. If
you know who you are, you will know the eternal life. This is your chance.
No one can know it for you. You have to know it by yourself. Eitehr you get
it or you die forever.
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dzry67 (碧水) 于 (Sat Apr 3 18:09:05 2010, 美东) 提到:
Eternal life is not for everyone if you think so.
In order to reach that, The way and only way is through "meditation".
But be notified that, silence is the key to the whole thing. The time when
you feel complete silence both inside and outside, you are ready to do
meditation. Not before that.
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dreamfly (妄想) 于 (Sat Apr 3 18:25:31 2010, 美东) 提到:
原创 or 转载？
看起来很像一些meditation center的宣传小册子上的句子
driving
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get
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dzry67 (碧水) 于 (Sat Apr 3 18:28:59 2010, 美东) 提到:
Question is a good start. First, find the silence. Silence is the key to
everything. If you don't know silence, you can do an experiment.
1. Create very big noise and hectic situation for 10 minutes. And you must
be part of the noise.
2. Then, suddenly stop doing anything and try hard to be silent both inside
and outside.
3. At that moment, feel the silence. Do NOT think. Only feel it. If you can
feel the silence from the contrary of silence, you are on the right track.
Good luck!
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dreamfly (妄想) 于 (Sat Apr 3 18:32:09 2010, 美东) 提到:
u went on talking about "try hard to be silent both inside and outside"
without first answering her question of "what is *silent*, *inside* and
*outside*?"
inside
can
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dzry67 (碧水) 于 (Sat Apr 3 18:37:49 2010, 美东) 提到:
When you do it, you will know it. Knowledge is garbage. Knowing is the way.
To know something, you must experience it. That is why I create a situation
for her to start.
Langunag and explanation are not the truth. On the contrary, they are
barrier at the last stage of knowing.
Know it, but do not possess that knowledge. knowledge is bad, Knowing is
good.
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dzry67 (碧水) 于 (Sat Apr 3 18:40:30 2010, 美东) 提到:
You are right and wrong. This is only a good start. The journey will start
from here.
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dreamfly (妄想) 于 (Sat Apr 3 18:46:51 2010, 美东) 提到:
there are many people here who has the "ability" to "say" these words as you
have been talking about.
the question is what is the role you are playing here and what do you tend
to achieve.
not knowing the level of your audience is as useless as ppl reading your
words without knowing the place you are standing and what you really can
offer, because each party could just be talking and enjoying what is on his/
her own mind. and that leads to nowhere.
.
situation
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dzry67 (碧水) 于 (Sat Apr 3 18:47:05 2010, 美东) 提到:
Try to see the difference of knowledge and knowing.
Besides, you are confusing the "knowing" and "experiencing". Experience can
only help you to know it, but it is completely different from "knowing".
Knowing needs much more than "experiencing". I don't have time to explain to
you now. Besides, as I said, language and explanation are just the trivial
tools. Their function is very limited.
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dzry67 (碧水) 于 (Sat Apr 3 18:51:19 2010, 美东) 提到:
If you want to achieve something, you start with the wrong foot. I am here
to give a little push to the poeple who are ready to jump. But as I said,
you must do it by yourself in my 1st post. No one else can do it for you.
you
his/
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dzry67 (碧水) 于 (Sat Apr 3 18:59:46 2010, 美东) 提到:
To say the words like me does not mean they know it. Knowledge is easy to
obtain. you can always repeat other people's words. That is why I said,
knowledge is trash. As a matter of fact, at the last stage of knowing, you
have to drop all the knowledge. But knowing is very hard to acquire.
you
his/
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dzry67 (碧水) 于 (Sat Apr 3 23:12:16 2010, 美东) 提到:
1st, 静坐 is not "meditation".
2nd, words are meaningless if you only play with it and you don't experience
it.
It is really a pity! But sometimes you cannot help anyone if they themselves
do not help themselves.
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dreamfly (妄想) 于 (Sat Apr 3 23:25:40 2010, 美东) 提到:
this is what i tried to tell you. my point from the beginning.
saying those words are nothing. they don't mean you know it yourself.
note i used "" over "say" if you read my post again.
in what place do you believe your so-called "push" would be effective and
worthy? in your imagination and assumption?
moreover what makes you think you are qualified to do that? and what makes
others agree on that?
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dzry67 (碧水) 于 (Sat Apr 3 23:54:07 2010, 美东) 提到:
There is no need to follow me if you are NOT ready.
In fact, if you are NOT ready, there is no way you can follow me.
I am no one's master. I don't want to be even you ask. I simply share my
vision with my fellow Awareness Beings. So there is no need to talk about
qualifications. You are free to do whatever you want to do. But if you feel
pressurised somehow by my words, then you have a chance to reach it.
Otherwise, forget what I am saying.
Either you know it. Or you do not know it. There is no half know or middle
point of knowing. There is no need to feel threatened or pushed by me, if
you are not ready. My words are not for you if you are not prepared.
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dzry67 (碧水) 于 (Sat Apr 3 23:59:09 2010, 美东) 提到:
If you are intrigued by my words, you have the hope. But hope is not reality
. You have to reach it by yourself. No one can help you.
When you reach it, you will know what I am saying. There is no need for any
explanation.
For example, when you are thirsty. I simply bring the water to you. The
moment you drink what I bring to you, you will understand immediately. Then
and there, there is no need for any explanation. And you simply KNOW it when
you get there.
Good luck.
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dreamfly (妄想) 于 (Sun Apr 4 00:03:36 2010, 美东) 提到:
obviously, you didn't get it.
you are not very good at self-awareness as far as i have observed.
one's "vision" can sometimes blind oneself.
good luck.
feel
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dzry67 (碧水) 于 (Sun Apr 4 00:08:13 2010, 美东) 提到:
1st, self-awareness is not awareness. On the contrary, self-awareness is the opposite of awareness. Self-awareness is the ego-playing game.
2nd, you are free to say whatevery you like to say. Whether I know it, you
have no idea. You don't even know yourself. How can you know me?
There is no need to argue as I said again and again. Go live your life now.
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dreamfly (妄想) 于 (Sun Apr 4 00:12:48 2010, 美东) 提到:
i approached by asking questions, but you avoided answering them by a
posture of defense. hehe.
you are like, "my words are final. no question should be asked. either you
know it or you don't know. but i am not interested in whether you already
know or not."
the opposite of awareness. Self-awareness is the ego-playing game.
you sure the "self-awareness" you are talking about is the one i referred to?
no need to read me "textbook definitions".
that's why i asked to see where actually you are, instead of guessing as you
may want others to do.
besides, what makes you KNOW that "I don't even know myself"?
if you not only know yourself but also know others know themselves or not,
then don't be so modest saying you are not a master. hehe.
.
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dzry67 (碧水) 于 (Sun Apr 4 00:20:38 2010, 美东) 提到:
This time, you are right. You should NOT be interested in whether I know it
or not. You should be interested in whether you yourself know it or it. 妄想
; That is a good start. By the way, 妄想 is a terrible name.
If you still do not get it, then forget what I am saying, because half-know
is worse than ignorance. And go live your life now.
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dreamfly (妄想) 于 (Sun Apr 4 00:27:02 2010, 美东) 提到:
haha, enough of this commander playing game yours. have fun.
hope you don't speak to your children like that, too bossy to be a good
parent. maybe you don't know them well enough as you assume you know.
however, you are not alone here.
it
know
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dzry67 (碧水) 于 (Sun Apr 4 00:32:24 2010, 美东) 提到:
Go live your life now.
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dreamfly (妄想) 于 (Sun Apr 4 00:34:05 2010, 美东) 提到:
i am living my life.
why are you so interested in shaping others' life?
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dzry67 (碧水) 于 (Sun Apr 4 00:38:47 2010, 美东) 提到:
I am not interested in shaping anyone's life, including yours. So go live
your life now. Have mercy.
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dreamfly (妄想) 于 (Sun Apr 4 00:53:59 2010, 美东) 提到:
i don't get it. Have mercy? what kind of mercy? who needs it and for what?
you said "you are free to say whatever you like to say", but now you are
begging me to "leave you alone" instead of just leave me alone? are you
biting your own tongue? or is it that under your EGO this topic you started
is so sacred that participants like me are not welcomed and should be driven
away?
i try to understand others when they talk to me. maybe you like to talk only
to those you think understand you. hehe.
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dzry67 (碧水) 于 (Sun Apr 4 01:02:08 2010, 美东) 提到:
You are free to keep talking whatever you like. You can keep posting your
message under my topic. No problem. You do not need to agree with me. You do
not need to follow me. You do not need to leave me alone. In fact, I am
always alone. That is the way I exist.
I still think you have the hope since you are intrigued by my words.
Otherwise, go live your life if you feel pressurized too much by my words.
Have mercy.
(Have mearcy means, let the NATURE have mercy on you and on all of us).
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dreamfly (妄想) 于 (Sun Apr 4 01:07:10 2010, 美东) 提到:
do
pressurized? what made you think so? hehe, you assume too much.
your words to me are no better than an English collection of statements from
well-known sutras. i just spent a little time try to find out any new
input from your own experiences that might be inspiring. however, i was
disappointed.
interesting. i thought you were an explorer instead of believer.
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dzry67 (碧水) 于 (Sun Apr 4 01:18:32 2010, 美东) 提到:
Have mercy. Go live your life now.
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dzry67 (碧水) 于 (Sun Apr 4 01:39:08 2010, 美东) 提到:
I cannot drink to stop your thirsty. If you cannot understand that, what
else can I say?
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purity (purity) 于 (Sun Apr 4 01:51:44 2010, 美东) 提到:
你说的这些话很老套，随便一本宗教修行书都有，甚至说得比你生动有意思，
如果你真的开悟了想帮助他人，你要做的是让人相信你所言不是书本学来的，
是自己明心见性了悟得来的。目前你并没有让你信服了，而你所言书本都有。
reality
any
Then
when
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venusfire (J星 爱自由) 于 (Sun Apr 4 12:29:16 2010, 美东) 提到:
damn to the point, very right
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qxc (法界闲人) 于 (Sun Apr 4 16:08:32 2010, 美东) 提到:
可以给个例子， 你 experience 了但是不 know 的例子嘛。我说的是 *你*.
这样比较好理解，
can
to
trivial
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dreamfly (妄想) 于 (Mon Apr 5 00:17:04 2010, 美东) 提到:
他/她以一种好为人师居高临下的姿态出现，却亮不出折服人的底牌，很难让人相信不
是照本宣科或只是咀嚼后的反刍。
其实类似的神情我们经常在这里见到，比如runsun，甚至venusfire，可惜嘴将和有料
，稍微多观察一下就高下立现了
sometimes reaction/response tells us more than the initial well-prepared
presentation.
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dzry67 (碧水) 于 (Mon Apr 5 00:22:15 2010, 美东) 提到:
It is not worthy the time to argue with you anymore! It is doomed!
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dreamfly (妄想) 于 (Mon Apr 5 00:24:52 2010, 美东) 提到:
is it worthy to cry this out below?
你的道行未免太浅了吧？
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dzry67 (碧水) 于 (Mon Apr 5 00:40:35 2010, 美东) 提到:
You are free to choose life or death. No one can force you, even the God.
You don't spend time to talk with a table or chair, because they are not
alive.
Have mercy, dear Nature.
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dreamfly (妄想) 于 (Mon Apr 5 00:44:26 2010, 美东) 提到:
所谓随缘自在就是……比如我就不force you repeatedly to "live your life", a
life that i imagined in my head for you to live. LOL
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dzry67 (碧水) 于 (Mon Apr 5 00:50:29 2010, 美东) 提到:
If I have any shred of EGO, I will not have known life. Now you are talking
about something really significant. That is a good starting point. But I am
not sure whether you have the knowledge of ego or you know ego. Anyway, I
will leave that to Nature to judge and I will stop here.
Again, it is your freedom to choose life and death.
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aggregate (Aggregate) 于 (Mon Apr 5 00:56:12 2010, 美东) 提到:
过几年再来忽悠。
祝成功。。。。
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dreamfly (妄想) 于 (Mon Apr 5 00:57:15 2010, 美东) 提到:
唉，这里的观众见识过的大小忽悠实在太多了……
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aggregate (Aggregate) 于 (Mon Apr 5 01:03:52 2010, 美东) 提到:
唉，这年头，想做神棍也不容易啊。
夸一句，你的英文够棒的。。。
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dreamfly (妄想) 于 (Mon Apr 5 01:07:55 2010, 美东) 提到:
还棒啊？昨天被人educate了，因为我不懂而错用self-awareness这种术语，哈哈，谁
让我老人家学理工科的呢。我很无奈的说“其实我想说的就是你说的那个to know
yourself”，结果还被郑重其事的扫盲了，于是今天我决定主要说中文了，用中文忽悠
我相对在行一点，楼主还是请lingsu来PK吧，说不定就用不着先交换定义了，呵呵。
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aggregate (Aggregate) 于 (Mon Apr 5 01:19:08 2010, 美东) 提到:
人家估计压根没觉得是忽悠，还挺严肃的。
忍了忍没忍住，笑的不行。
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aggregate (Aggregate) 于 (Mon Apr 5 01:21:44 2010, 美东) 提到:
你的英文真的很棒，居然是理工科出来的。
被人educate，不是英文问题，是你们之间的逻辑水准不匹配。 |
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