l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 1 http://www.crossroadstoday.com/story/35125057/know-your-rights-what-to-do-if-your-flight-is-overbooked
The United incident was an outlier. But it's standard practice for airlines
to overbook flights in anticipation of no-show passengers. There are also
scenarios in which the plane may be too heavy, an air marshal needs to board
or flight staff have to get to work. Long story short: If a carrier needs
seats, it may have its eye on yours. |
h*********n
发帖数: 11319 | 2 谁tmd告诉你这是overbook了？
你要law & order, 我tmd就给你看看什么叫law
§ 250.2a Policy regarding denied boarding.
In the event of an oversold flight, every carrier shall ensure that the
smallest practicable number of persons holding confirmed reserved space on
that flight are denied boarding involuntarily.
乘客有confirmed reserved seats，公司雇员没有confirmed reserved seats。UA为了
给雇员腾地方赶乘客，直接违反了14 CFR 250.2a
你这种见到白人就跪舔的软脚虾，正是华人被UA target的主要原因。
airlines
board
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: http://www.crossroadstoday.com/story/35125057/know-your-rights-what-to-do-if-your-flight-is-overbooked
: The United incident was an outlier. But it's standard practice for airlines
: to overbook flights in anticipation of no-show passengers. There are also
: scenarios in which the plane may be too heavy, an air marshal needs to board
: or flight staff have to get to work. Long story short: If a carrier needs
: seats, it may have its eye on yours.
|
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 3 晕倒, 最烦你这种一段英文都看不全的人了.
你不能把整段英文看完再说话?
【在 h*********n 的大作中提到】
: 谁tmd告诉你这是overbook了？
: 你要law & order, 我tmd就给你看看什么叫law
: § 250.2a Policy regarding denied boarding.
: In the event of an oversold flight, every carrier shall ensure that the
: smallest practicable number of persons holding confirmed reserved space on
: that flight are denied boarding involuntarily.
: 乘客有confirmed reserved seats，公司雇员没有confirmed reserved seats。UA为了
: 给雇员腾地方赶乘客，直接违反了14 CFR 250.2a
: 你这种见到白人就跪舔的软脚虾，正是华人被UA target的主要原因。
:
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l******t
发帖数: 12659 | 4 定义一下什么叫做 『flight staff have to get to work』？
这个航班的staff？还是其他航班的staff？ |
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 5 我其他贴说了, 应该是其他航班的staff.
当班crew自己有位子做的, 就是那种临时的位子, 起飞降落的时候坐一下. 那个位子不
用的时候可以拉起来. 但绝对不是乘客的位子.
【在 l******t 的大作中提到】
: 定义一下什么叫做 『flight staff have to get to work』？
: 这个航班的staff？还是其他航班的staff？
|
G*******h
发帖数: 4091 | 6 版主大人坐过飞机，知道crew的座位是可以拉起来的。
问题是，这加塞的四个UA职员，他们自己都没敢说是crew。 |
w**d
发帖数: 2334 | 7 争个什么劲？你他妈的要让你的员工坐飞机去别地上班可以，但也别等别人都上飞机坐
好了赶人下去。
这么个简单事实，狡辩啥？如果你有利益关系就当我没说。 |
f********8
发帖数: 5601 | 8 她是二等公民自居的，可以理解。马丁路德金在她看来，也是流氓一个。
【在 G*******h 的大作中提到】
: 版主大人坐过飞机，知道crew的座位是可以拉起来的。
: 问题是，这加塞的四个UA职员，他们自己都没敢说是crew。
|
w**d
发帖数: 2334 | 9 严重怀疑有利益关系牵扯在里头，多简单个事。
【在 f********8 的大作中提到】
: 她是二等公民自居的，可以理解。马丁路德金在她看来，也是流氓一个。
|
s******l
发帖数: 6898 | 10 别的航班的staff，算哪门子have to?
【在 l******t 的大作中提到】
: 定义一下什么叫做 『flight staff have to get to work』？
: 这个航班的staff？还是其他航班的staff？
|
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r*********t
发帖数: 4911 | 11 马丁路德本就是流氓，但是他干的事业是伟大的。
【在 f********8 的大作中提到】
: 她是二等公民自居的，可以理解。马丁路德金在她看来，也是流氓一个。
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t**x
发帖数: 20965 | 12 楼主理解没错啊， 就这么回事。
所以美联航ceo那么牛气，
只不过人们受不了航空公司，，，， 激起公愤了， 美联航才道歉。
如果媒体不集中关注， 打死个中国人估计也没人报道。 |
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 13 可能这有个timing issue.
就事论事不会嘛?
诛心论都是左逼在搞, 右边的人能不能不这样?
【在 w**d 的大作中提到】
: 争个什么劲？你他妈的要让你的员工坐飞机去别地上班可以，但也别等别人都上飞机坐
: 好了赶人下去。
: 这么个简单事实，狡辩啥？如果你有利益关系就当我没说。
|
L******g
发帖数: 1371 | 14 原来你们版主这么弱， 到现在都还在以为overbook? |
R*****g
发帖数: 1649 | 15 斑竹，能不能bump这个事情大家并没有什么分歧，
主要的问题是怎么bump的，既然这么重要的事情，竞价就是，出两千我不信没人下。
airlines
board
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: http://www.crossroadstoday.com/story/35125057/know-your-rights-what-to-do-if-your-flight-is-overbooked
: The United incident was an outlier. But it's standard practice for airlines
: to overbook flights in anticipation of no-show passengers. There are also
: scenarios in which the plane may be too heavy, an air marshal needs to board
: or flight staff have to get to work. Long story short: If a carrier needs
: seats, it may have its eye on yours.
|
w**d
发帖数: 2334 | 16 你是不是脑袋不好使？你越忍别人越不把你当数。这样的是搞几次，每次都闹老大，你
看他们还是不是这德性。
【在 t**x 的大作中提到】
: 楼主理解没错啊， 就这么回事。
: 所以美联航ceo那么牛气，
: 只不过人们受不了航空公司，，，， 激起公愤了， 美联航才道歉。
: 如果媒体不集中关注， 打死个中国人估计也没人报道。
|
w**d
发帖数: 2334 | 17 你那都是狡辩，已经很清楚了，跟overbooking有啥关系？
你总不能说等飞机上坐满了，然后你非得加塞过去，管着也叫overbooked？
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 可能这有个timing issue.
: 就事论事不会嘛?
: 诛心论都是左逼在搞, 右边的人能不能不这样?
|
s******y
发帖数: 17729 | 18 这tmd都已经不是overbook的事儿了，还舔，姿势太不优雅了
承认错误有那么难吗？
airlines
board
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: http://www.crossroadstoday.com/story/35125057/know-your-rights-what-to-do-if-your-flight-is-overbooked
: The United incident was an outlier. But it's standard practice for airlines
: to overbook flights in anticipation of no-show passengers. There are also
: scenarios in which the plane may be too heavy, an air marshal needs to board
: or flight staff have to get to work. Long story short: If a carrier needs
: seats, it may have its eye on yours.
|
t**x
发帖数: 20965 | 19 这个你不懂，我给你举几个例子，
我们谨小慎微， 医院威胁剥夺父母抚养权。 而且很多白人就是被剥夺了， 大媒体都
不报道。 你如果仔细查， 有小的网站报导， 可是这些小网站脏水都泼给CPS。 你以
为看到了美国的真实， 实际上看到的是美国更黑暗的遮羞布。你说说媒体父母都弱智
？！CPS没事造访你干吗？都是医疗官司问题。
美国的金元政治妈妈的你只能看到一层层的黑，更黑。。。 我家宝宝是经历了活下来
的。
我一个朋友被FBI给搞了。 FBI怎么威胁他的他没有告诉我们。 不过他对于自己的委屈
不敢再诉诸法律。
你看看亚特兰大老张站出来期望得到公平的审判，相信自己清者自清， 似乎判了25年
吧。
的确需要华人站出来， 但是你站出来很可能就是死得无声无息。
【在 w**d 的大作中提到】
: 你是不是脑袋不好使？你越忍别人越不把你当数。这样的是搞几次，每次都闹老大，你
: 看他们还是不是这德性。
|
n****g
发帖数: 14743 | 20 倒霉蛋的事情
airlines
board
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: http://www.crossroadstoday.com/story/35125057/know-your-rights-what-to-do-if-your-flight-is-overbooked
: The United incident was an outlier. But it's standard practice for airlines
: to overbook flights in anticipation of no-show passengers. There are also
: scenarios in which the plane may be too heavy, an air marshal needs to board
: or flight staff have to get to work. Long story short: If a carrier needs
: seats, it may have its eye on yours.
|
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w**d
发帖数: 2334 | 21 不就是都怕事，然后整个群体就任人宰割
【在 t**x 的大作中提到】
: 这个你不懂，我给你举几个例子，
: 我们谨小慎微， 医院威胁剥夺父母抚养权。 而且很多白人就是被剥夺了， 大媒体都
: 不报道。 你如果仔细查， 有小的网站报导， 可是这些小网站脏水都泼给CPS。 你以
: 为看到了美国的真实， 实际上看到的是美国更黑暗的遮羞布。你说说媒体父母都弱智
: ？！CPS没事造访你干吗？都是医疗官司问题。
: 美国的金元政治妈妈的你只能看到一层层的黑，更黑。。。 我家宝宝是经历了活下来
: 的。
: 我一个朋友被FBI给搞了。 FBI怎么威胁他的他没有告诉我们。 不过他对于自己的委屈
: 不敢再诉诸法律。
: 你看看亚特兰大老张站出来期望得到公平的审判，相信自己清者自清， 似乎判了25年
|
G*********e
发帖数: 2091 | 22 你以为在天朝啊？还竞价两千？LOL
[在 RaoYing (忠祥偶爱你) 的大作中提到：]
:斑竹，能不能bump这个事情大家并没有什么分歧，
:主要的问题是怎么bump的，既然这么重要的事情，竞价就是，出两千我不信没人下。
:airlines
:board |
t**x
发帖数: 20965 | 23 是这么回事。 我也没啥丢人的， 不如老越中肯定的， 在座的有几个比他强？！
你说出头， 哪有你想的那么容易。
你跟这些大机构打过交道就知道了。。。
dc的鸡头想说话， 就没了，
这个事情律师喜欢死了。 我那个事情没人愿意碰。
我这个医疗的事情。 。。。 别提了。。 美国医疗黑暗连senator都被谋杀， 你想得
太容易了。
你以为很多事情没人站起来？！你知道的是站起来的， 没有站起来的都被打趴下了。
---这是我以前的帖子----
Bill Bowen （The Corruption of CPS Series）
这个人死于心脏病， 有人说是被杀。
http://linkis.com/victuruslibertas.com/aecV9
他死亡之前在做一个documentary 有关corruption of cps, 有一个术语叫medical
kidnapping. 在另外一个地方看到有关他自杀的一个评论
I think it no coincidence that Bill Bowen and Senator Nancy Schaefer along
with her husband, who were working to expose extremely serious abuses of CPS
, all died in the same year under very mysterious circumstances. Well, not
so mysterious if you put two and two together.
大致就是说参议员Nancy Schaefer当时也帮着揭发这些事情， 当年死于家庭内自杀谋
杀。
我家孩子追究medical malpractice过程中被西雅图儿童医院举报到state cps， 幸运
的是cps放过了我们。 医院是不追究护士和医生故意杀人犯罪的。
碰巧昨天在wiki上看到一个人， Charles Cullen. 一个护士， 他承认杀了40， 不过
有理由相信更多人被杀。
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Cullen
看看当年被抓前的一个事情：
In July 2003 the executive director of the New Jersey Poison Information and
Education System warned Somerset Medical Center officials that at least
four suspicious overdoses indicated the possibility that an employee was
killing patients. The hospital delayed contacting authorities until October
2003.
医院举报孩子父母到cps，目的就是父母失去监护权就不能代表孩子起诉医院了。没有
人举报， 孩子不会被cps带走。 举报的可能有老师医生。
随便搜索一个黑的
Patient Wakes Up as Doctors Get Ready to Remove Organs
很多事情你不懂就以为别人没有做，，，， 那是因为个体太渺小，洗脑太先进。。。
【在 w**d 的大作中提到】
: 不就是都怕事，然后整个群体就任人宰割
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 24 这次是你住进旅馆再把你拉出去给官大爷让位的
【在 w**d 的大作中提到】
: 你那都是狡辩，已经很清楚了，跟overbooking有啥关系？
: 你总不能说等飞机上坐满了，然后你非得加塞过去，管着也叫overbooked？
|
y****i
发帖数: 12114 | |
e***s
发帖数: 1397 | 26 你跟这帮二逼科普没用的。一个个跟甲亢似的，让他们继续傻逼悲愤吧。
airlines
board
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: http://www.crossroadstoday.com/story/35125057/know-your-rights-what-to-do-if-your-flight-is-overbooked
: The United incident was an outlier. But it's standard practice for airlines
: to overbook flights in anticipation of no-show passengers. There are also
: scenarios in which the plane may be too heavy, an air marshal needs to board
: or flight staff have to get to work. Long story short: If a carrier needs
: seats, it may have its eye on yours.
|
c***e
发帖数: 1207 | 27 +1
airlines
board
【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: 这tmd都已经不是overbook的事儿了，还舔，姿势太不优雅了
: 承认错误有那么难吗？
:
: airlines
: board
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t**x
发帖数: 20965 | 28 咋说？我认为老张就是settlement的受害者，
清白的人不相信自己有问题去trial，就给搞得死翘翘了。
刚才说起CPS的例子， 一个白哥死在这个上边了。 里面都是说CPS的恶行， 我处于对
医院的愤恨和自己的经历认为这些惨无人道的事情都是医生们挑起来的。有兴趣看看
http://medicalkidnap.com/2015/02/10/filmmaker-was-documenting-abuses-in-cps-and-children-murdered-under-state-custody-before-he-died/
Four years ago I was approached by a father who was in the process of losing
his children through a Termination of Parental Rights case against him,
brought by the Department of Human Services in Klamath Falls, OR. He told me
the official, certified transcript of his hearing had been altered to
reflect admissions never made and evidence and testimony never given.
I honestly did not believe him, but agreed to look into the matter a little
bit. What I found was like reading a horror story, the worst one I had ever
read. His certified transcript had been changed from the original audio
recordings made in the courtroom. Not one of the well over one thousand
alterations in that transcript favored the parents. The changes made only
favored CPS and those transcripts had been sent to the Court of Appeals in
Salem, OR by the father’s indigent, court appointed attorney.
I took my findings and a lot of evidence to that attorney who refused to
address it with the appeals court. Somehow, when the appeals court found out
they gave that attorney four extra months to get and present that evidence
but cautioned the attorney they only wanted to hear about the altered
transcripts and no other issues. That attorney argued everything under the
sun, weakly, when he submitted his new brief, EXCEPT for the altered
transcripts and the court said they had no choice but to refuse to overturn
the lower court.
It turns out the Office of Public Defender Services has a general counsel.
His secretary has some relatives that wanted to adopt some blonde haired,
blue eyed children and this fathers kids were that and extremely beautiful.
Those three children were given to the family of the secretary and the judge
, Roxanne Osborn by name, allowed them to be adopted before the appeals
court ruled. The state then argued that it was too late and so sorry and
that couple lost their three children.
By the way, the crime the father had been charged with was drinking two
beers after he had been told he was off probation and it was admitted he was
told that. Then the probation department revoked his probation and called
it threat of harm and their three children were given to parents who were
not even certified or in line to adopt. I was outraged, as was the local
senator I took this case to and DHS/CPS thumbed their nose at that senator
and just continued on.
I decided to investigate what appeared to be a criminal organization to me
and that trafficked in the lives of children.
I found workers from inside CPS that would talk to me and I heard the worst
stories you could imagine. I talked to state senators who told me each of
them had on average 15 letters complaining about CPS abuses. I learned of
the murder of little Adriana Cram, who was taken from her mother because the
mother could not afford the special medicine for her daughter that
prevented the little girl’s brain from drying out, which would cause her to
become retarded.
I also have hair samples taken from the child’s grave in Mexico where she
was tortured and murdered by the people CPS placed her with and those hair
samples show that child never received the very medicine CPS took her away
from her mom for not being able to afford. That little innocence girl, had
bruises, cuts, and burns over most of her body when her body was examined
after she was murdered. Not mentioned in my film but discovered during her
autopsy was the fact that little four year old girl had callouses on her
vagina.
She was four years old. She was tortured daily, she was being slowly starved
, she was being sexually abused and was being kicked all over her tiny body
by the man who wore pointed toed cowboy boots. Complaints were called back
to the United States and repeatedly ignored by the trolls and ghouls that
worked at CPS, known as DHS, in Oregon.
She was a US citizen sent by CPS to live and be tortured in a foreign
country where it would be difficult for anybody to report the abuse they
could see she was being forced to undergo. She was a special needs child, in
CPS lingo, meaning she was worth over $6,000 per month to CPS in Oregon in
federal funds. CPS Oregon continued drawing that $6,000 plus per month long
after that child was dead.
CPS never sent the people they placed that child with in Mexico the $400 per
month they promised them for taking the child off their hands. The woman
involved in the murder says that was one reason her husband was so mad and
he took it out on little Adriana.
Further investigating CPS I learned about Daniael Kelly, who was 12 years
old in Philadelphia, PA and she had cerebral palsy and how she was strapped
to the floor on a mattress and left starving there without ever changing her
bed clothes or picking up after she made the inevitable mess a strapped
down person will make and so that little child lived in her own feces.
It was so caked on you can see it in the picture of her one day after she
died, in the film, Innocence Destroyed. That child was placed in the care of
her unbalanced biological mother who started torturing that little girl the
day she received her. She took the curtains off the windows and Danieal
laid there in heated room in Philadelphia with no curtains or air
conditioning, in the middle of the summer. The mother encouraged other
children to go into that room and torture and tease little Daniael.
What you won’t see in the film is that the workers and supervisors with CPS
on this case deserved to go to prison because since they hadn’t visited
her in almost six months while she was being tortured and murdered, when
they learned she had died, the caseworker and the supervisor of CPS there
got together and signed and notarized documents that they had visited and
inspected Danieal just two weeks before she died and they saw no visible
signs of abuse.
Look at the picture of little Daniael again in the second part of the film
and see if anybody could have thought that child was okay two weeks before
her tiny body gave out and she died? Also not widely known is the fact that
when the police investigated the CPS caseworker they found a box under that
worker’s desk full of candy and chip wrappers and underneath those at the
bottom were 7 letters from people begging CPS to go out and investigate the
fact that little Daniael was being tortured. All of those letters were
unopened. While that worker snacked on chips and candy, Daniael Kelly was
starving to death and her sheets were becoming interwoven with her skin and
muscle.
I learned about five year old Logan Marr an absolutely beautiful little
child. Her foster mom used to duct tape her to the bed so she didn’t have
to deal with her. Then one day that foster mom wanted to watch her favorite
cooking show so she duct tapped little Logan into a high chair in the
basement so she wouldn’t have to hear her cry. Logan died from asphyxiation
. Why didn’t CPS investigate or do anything about this horrible foster
mother? What is again not widely known is that the foster mother WAS A CPS
CASEWORKER and a rather highly regarded one back in Maine. Just picking up a
little extra money taping up kids I guess. No doubt operating in the, “
Best interest of the children.”
If you wonder why I am bringing all of this up and making you uncomfortable,
the reason is two-fold.
It was the same set of circumstances as I have just described above that set
me off to do something about what someone was doing to children in my
country. I realized that those few seconds of discomfort I experienced was
nothing compared what those children had to have undergone, second by second
, minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day for months and months. While it
is true I didn’t know about it back then, that didn’t change the fact
that had I looked, had I learned what these horrible monsters were doing to
children years before maybe I could have done something to stop it. To me,
unawareness was not an excuse I could accept and so, here I sit today
writing this, trying to get those who understand what responsibility is to
come take some and we can change this.
I decided to dedicate my life to the exposing of one of the worst criminal
activities in the history of this country, in my opinion.
This criminal organization specialized in destroying families and children
and over a thousand children died due to neglect or are outright murdered
every year in this country alone, while in the “protection and control” of
CPS. The most active opponent to all of this was former State Senator Nancy
Schaefer, GA, who was murdered. THAT she was murdered is not in question,
the only question that remains is who murdered her and the official story is
very hard to swallow if any of the facts about her assassination are known.
We are looking at a multi-billion dollar industry, with huge amounts of
money going to the various states so they don’t change this corrupt system.
Drug companies make billions of the full priced non generic drugs they sell
to CPS and which are forced on these small children whose biggest upset is
that they can’t live with their mommies anymore.
First you take the child away from their parents and when they cry about it
you get some unlicensed mental health worker to diagnose that child as being
“DEPRESSED.” Gee, ya think? Well, that and the fact that the big man
sometimes into their room at night and does horrible things to them and
child sexual abuse is a lot more rampant than CPS would ever want anyone to
know about.
CPS investigates allegations of the sexual abuse of the children in their
care and a finding of substantiated would result in a successful civil
action being brought against them by the parents. So, virtually every
investigation conducted by CPS into the sexual molestation of children comes
back as unfounded, thus saving them millions in lawsuits and after all to
CPS workers it is only the molestation of some dirt bag mother’s child, so
who really cares? Besides if the child is unhappy they can always just put
them on a fistful of anti-depressants and they will shut up. Those drugs don
’t help them but they sure shut them up.
Well, at least until that child is 18 and a basket case from taking those
drugs and then CPS cuts them off because the child has “timed out” and is
no longer worth anything to CPS because they don’t receive any more money
per month for that child and now the child has no value. OF course now that
messed former CPS child will make a lot of mistakes and their children
become CPS bait in the future. Remember over half of those in prison today
are former foster children. Wow, what a legacy CPS is creating eh?
What is really needed here is an expanded public awareness of what CPS has
degraded into and the sick criminals that run it.
That can be done and to that end I have decided to produce books and films
that will bring these horrific crimes and the criminals responsible for them
, to light. That is what I do and I do it 7 days a week, about 12 hours per
day.
【在 y****i 的大作中提到】
: 耗子拿老张说事儿，可以啊。
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 29 sigh, 我这个不是好心嘛.
那么多人看也不看跑上来就说我在讲overbooking. 怎么好多右派跟左派一样阿. 太让
我失望了.
【在 e***s 的大作中提到】
: 你跟这帮二逼科普没用的。一个个跟甲亢似的，让他们继续傻逼悲愤吧。
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t**x
发帖数: 20965 | 30 你算不错了， 人家还尊重你版主。
我说几句， 我家孩子都给诅咒死多少次了。
说句实话，老中脑子发热乱喊口号的很多， 可能还是跟人真斗得少。
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: sigh, 我这个不是好心嘛.
: 那么多人看也不看跑上来就说我在讲overbooking. 怎么好多右派跟左派一样阿. 太让
: 我失望了.
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 31 那个从business 的角度来讲是不太可行的. 以后再要人volunteer,大家都是3000刀起
步, 否则就不同意. 那个时候你怎么办? 不能开这个头.
【在 R*****g 的大作中提到】
: 斑竹，能不能bump这个事情大家并没有什么分歧，
: 主要的问题是怎么bump的，既然这么重要的事情，竞价就是，出两千我不信没人下。
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l******t
发帖数: 12659 | 32 这是不可能的。有人性在。
总会有人拿。只要你不是用50刀一张的voucher糊弄人
实在不行，所有人下飞机，重新boarding？
反正就是广而告之，以后大家不要坐我们的飞机了
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 那个从business 的角度来讲是不太可行的. 以后再要人volunteer,大家都是3000刀起
: 步, 否则就不同意. 那个时候你怎么办? 不能开这个头.
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R*****g
发帖数: 1649 | 33 三千都不下人，航空公司就该作罢。
航空公司有责任安排好机组人员的通勤，如果不能，路易斯维尔那架航班就推迟起飞，
每个乘客给与补偿。
航空公司为了盈利甘愿冒险，就要负起冒险的责任。
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 那个从business 的角度来讲是不太可行的. 以后再要人volunteer,大家都是3000刀起
: 步, 否则就不同意. 那个时候你怎么办? 不能开这个头.
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G*******h
发帖数: 4091 | 34 不用替航空公司担心，他们又不是傻子。真到了这地步，他们就会令想他招了，比如可
以让这四个员工坐其它航空公司的飞机去目的，而且那样他们也会极力避免这种情况发
生。
：那个从business 的角度来讲是不太可行的. 以后再要人volunteer,大家都是3000刀起
：步, 否则就不同意. 那个时候你怎么办? 不能开这个头.
：We hold this truth to be self-evident, that marriage is a sacred vow
between a man and a woman.
：看某些人的帖子有感，五千年的奴性文化的熏陶，真不是盖的。
：管你在美国呆一辈子，也还一样。
：Americans who think Islam is compatible with our Constitution probably don
't know either one very well.
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 那个从business 的角度来讲是不太可行的. 以后再要人volunteer,大家都是3000刀起
: 步, 否则就不同意. 那个时候你怎么办? 不能开这个头.
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f********8
发帖数: 5601 | 35 她是代任务来发言的，不要认真。消费者之间要合谋，是何等的难。不然也不会有所谓
的class action lawsuit。就是因为消费者本身难以组织起来。
【在 R*****g 的大作中提到】
: 三千都不下人，航空公司就该作罢。
: 航空公司有责任安排好机组人员的通勤，如果不能，路易斯维尔那架航班就推迟起飞，
: 每个乘客给与补偿。
: 航空公司为了盈利甘愿冒险，就要负起冒险的责任。
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n****g
发帖数: 14743 | 36 一句话，要多收费，因为应对这些乱七八糟的事情的成本继续增加
刀起
【在 R*****g 的大作中提到】
: 三千都不下人，航空公司就该作罢。
: 航空公司有责任安排好机组人员的通勤，如果不能，路易斯维尔那架航班就推迟起飞，
: 每个乘客给与补偿。
: 航空公司为了盈利甘愿冒险，就要负起冒险的责任。
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s******g
发帖数: 536 | 37 This does not matter much unless this is law.
airlines
board
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: http://www.crossroadstoday.com/story/35125057/know-your-rights-what-to-do-if-your-flight-is-overbooked
: The United incident was an outlier. But it's standard practice for airlines
: to overbook flights in anticipation of no-show passengers. There are also
: scenarios in which the plane may be too heavy, an air marshal needs to board
: or flight staff have to get to work. Long story short: If a carrier needs
: seats, it may have its eye on yours.
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l***c
发帖数: 1634 | 38 把美联说的像你亲爹一样. 它赚不赚钱关你什么事?
如果不想出3000, 就别这么aggressively overbook.
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 那个从business 的角度来讲是不太可行的. 以后再要人volunteer,大家都是3000刀起
: 步, 否则就不同意. 那个时候你怎么办? 不能开这个头.
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 39 没有over booked，是自己员工临时出差。
【在 l***c 的大作中提到】
: 把美联说的像你亲爹一样. 它赚不赚钱关你什么事?
: 如果不想出3000, 就别这么aggressively overbook.
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l********k
发帖数: 14844 | 40 怕踢人太贵就别overbook了呗。要是踢一个人三千，顶上十张local机票了。overbook
的初衷就是business reasons。为什么别的航空公司踢人就没踢这么狠、这么难看？
说到底，就是没脸航觉得踢人不是个事儿，为了多卖一张机票，打人就打人，无所谓。
警察、政府行事还要考虑民意和影响，更别说航空公司这种纯服务性质的单位了。惹毛
了消费者，损失惨重。参考傻逼target的厕所policy。
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 那个从business 的角度来讲是不太可行的. 以后再要人volunteer,大家都是3000刀起
: 步, 否则就不同意. 那个时候你怎么办? 不能开这个头.
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t**x
发帖数: 20965 | 41 最简单以后就是购票价格x5, 现金。
隔夜加旅馆和食物
也别什么overbooking之类的。搞那么多名词麻烦。
旅客必须遵守， 不论啥职业， 除了优先照顾的小孩还有残疾， 其他人让计算机随机
决定。
本来很简单事情， 资本家搞出什么voucher， 还欺负顾客不懂，，。。 就是榨取最后
一点价值。。这次榨过头了，坏了一锅的东东。。。
搞复杂就是被滥用，被航空公司滥用得太厉害了。 |
h*****s
发帖数: 1654 | |
f********8
发帖数: 5601 | 43 按照瓦西里同志的分析，她是sincerely believe in UA's right to remove the guy.
【在 h*****s 的大作中提到】
: 我个人认为 版主可能是这次拿钱了
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l********k
发帖数: 14844 | 44 那就看没脸航怎么深挖条款里的fine print给自己辩护了。大讨论之后，看谁还敢坐它
家的飞机。
guy.
【在 f********8 的大作中提到】
: 按照瓦西里同志的分析，她是sincerely believe in UA's right to remove the guy.
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h*****s
发帖数: 1654 | 45 那就是另一种可能了
脑袋锈掉了！
guy.
【在 f********8 的大作中提到】
: 按照瓦西里同志的分析，她是sincerely believe in UA's right to remove the guy.
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t**x
发帖数: 20965 | 46 这么认识的人不少， 都是这么过来的。
但是如果涉及到种族歧视就是另外一回事了。 如果真如同有些人说的白人拒绝就算了
， 盯上他，打电话的时候也不问问别人，一定要把他搞下去应该就是种族歧视了。
问题是搞成种族歧视， 美国人不会帮助华人作证。
不搞种族歧视，，， 估计讲理真的也难赢。
最后只能settled.
guy.
【在 f********8 的大作中提到】
: 按照瓦西里同志的分析，她是sincerely believe in UA's right to remove the guy.
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b*******m
发帖数: 5492 | 47 看某些人的帖子有感，五千年的奴性文化的熏陶，真不是盖的。
管你在美国呆一辈子，也还一样。
--版主
guy.
【在 f********8 的大作中提到】
: 按照瓦西里同志的分析，她是sincerely believe in UA's right to remove the guy.
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s*********e
发帖数: 1814 | 48 确切的说，出差不是临时的，是临时改变行程要坐这班飞机
【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: 没有over booked，是自己员工临时出差。
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 49 是这个意思，临时加塞。所以才会在大家都坐好的准备起飞情况下发生
【在 s*********e 的大作中提到】
: 确切的说，出差不是临时的，是临时改变行程要坐这班飞机
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c******t
发帖数: 2478 | 50 Lcz版主坐久了，真以为自己就是精英了？扯什么law & order,早晚要被打脸，不是本
版网友，被美国司法打脸 |
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b*******m
发帖数: 5492 | 51 看某些人的帖子有感，五千年的奴性文化的熏陶，真不是盖的。
管你在美国呆一辈子，也还一样。
--版主
【在 c******t 的大作中提到】
: Lcz版主坐久了，真以为自己就是精英了？扯什么law & order,早晚要被打脸，不是本
: 版网友，被美国司法打脸
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c***e
发帖数: 1207 | 52 +1
【在 c******t 的大作中提到】
: Lcz版主坐久了，真以为自己就是精英了？扯什么law & order,早晚要被打脸，不是本
: 版网友，被美国司法打脸
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s********o
发帖数: 1237 | 53 Who would be on leisure.???
I have to go home because i like to have dinner with my family. Is this good
enough?
: 定义一下什么叫做 『flight staff have to get to work』？
: 这个航班的staff？还是其他航班的staff？
【在 l******t 的大作中提到】
: 这是不可能的。有人性在。
: 总会有人拿。只要你不是用50刀一张的voucher糊弄人
: 实在不行，所有人下飞机，重新boarding？
: 反正就是广而告之，以后大家不要坐我们的飞机了
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s******e
发帖数: 1751 | 54 切,好像全世界的律师都给他们包了似的。
【在 l********k 的大作中提到】
: 那就看没脸航怎么深挖条款里的fine print给自己辩护了。大讨论之后，看谁还敢坐它
: 家的飞机。
:
: guy.
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w**d
发帖数: 2334 | 55 law & my order ass. where is the law? UA didn't even follow its protocol!!
【在 c******t 的大作中提到】
: Lcz版主坐久了，真以为自己就是精英了？扯什么law & order,早晚要被打脸，不是本
: 版网友，被美国司法打脸
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s******e
发帖数: 1751 | 56 this time ua got its law and order.
airlines
board
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: http://www.crossroadstoday.com/story/35125057/know-your-rights-what-to-do-if-your-flight-is-overbooked
: The United incident was an outlier. But it's standard practice for airlines
: to overbook flights in anticipation of no-show passengers. There are also
: scenarios in which the plane may be too heavy, an air marshal needs to board
: or flight staff have to get to work. Long story short: If a carrier needs
: seats, it may have its eye on yours.
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S*******l
发帖数: 4637 | 57 不让搞overbooking那就涨票价呗。cover no show的loss。 |
e*****a
发帖数: 95 | 58 No show没什么 Loss。票早就卖出去了
就应该规定补偿真金白银，不能拿Voucher糊弄人
【在 S*******l 的大作中提到】
: 不让搞overbooking那就涨票价呗。cover no show的loss。
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l******t
发帖数: 12659 | 59 no show 有啥loss？
票价都收了
【在 S*******l 的大作中提到】
: 不让搞overbooking那就涨票价呗。cover no show的loss。
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P****R
发帖数: 22479 | 60 这种支线飞机不大，估计没有折叠椅。
【在 G*******h 的大作中提到】
: 版主大人坐过飞机，知道crew的座位是可以拉起来的。
: 问题是，这加塞的四个UA职员，他们自己都没敢说是crew。
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