l*********l
发帖数: 15 | 1 a bit of BSO from 新人. 终于有时间不受干扰打了7个小时。NL50入账$400多，打了
一次$12 sit&go拿到第二名， $396.00, hourly rate for about $100+. 感觉NL50大
部分人range太tight.我打惯NL500live game的在NL50range很大，很容易trap人all-in
. 看来先在NL50 build up我的bankroll在move up 了。Look forward to learning
more from this board. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 话音刚落, 又回到2bb/100 hand 了...
我比NL50 凶一点点.. 3 bet squeeze 多了很多.. 效果还不错.
10k hand 有点少, 2-3个buy-in 一下就去2bb/100 hand 了..
我30k 这数据还变化很大...关键是我打的很累, 好象一不小心就会回0bb/100 hand 或更差, 最高我到过3.5bb/100hand 20k hand 左右, 不过一下就掉下来了..., 不象NL50比较轻松, 感觉赚钱很稳... |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 3 I just played NL50 for one session, and think it's more aggressive than NL25
. At NL25 people don't bluff that often, so if someone check-raise your cbet
, or bet big on river, usually he has a hand. But I doubt it's the case at
NL50.
So maybe shifting towards calling station works better at higher level. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 4 No information on the opponents (HM is not on, nor I have any history)
RUSH NL50, Hand one,
Preflop, MP 2BB and me/BB call w/ ATo
Flop, Q8J rainbow; MP 2BB and I call
Tturn 9 (Flush draw); I Overbet and MP fold
RUSH NL50, Hand Two
Preflop, UTG 3BB, MP/Me call with QQ and so does BB
Flop 25Q with FD, check to MP/Me, I bet 1/2 pot; all fold
Both hands, I hit strong. SHould I slow play for more value?
BTW, what is the way to play QQ if there is one 3BB raise from EP/MP?!
Once, I 3X from SB and MP a... 阅读全帖 |
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l*********l
发帖数: 15 | 5 thanks for all the encouragements. i can not get rich by playing NL50. i am
mainly using it to fix my leaks for live cash games. my up/down swing in
stock trading a day is probably more than i can ever win at NL50... I guess
it is also a cheap and fun way to kill time for a man at mid-life crisis:)
other than women&cars. |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 6 Although I have bad luck in some NL 100 games, I am still a winning player
in NL100 as there are lots of easy money. I attached one hand I played
ysterday. I 3 bet this donk and he 4 bet me huge, I realized he has big hand
, could have KK or QQ or AK maybe?, I dont want the A or K or low cards on
the flop to stop him or scare him. So I donk all in and he called... and he
just had JJ...
I just dont fell I am 100% ready in NL100 yet, so I test water, won some
money and go back to NL50. I am thinki |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 7 The overall impression i got is that NL100 is much more loose and aggressive than NL50
, which is great for us to play TAG against them. NL 50 is becoming too
nitty where I can't often win stacks from them anymore.
Everyone wants to be a LAG and thinks that's how you become a true pro. but to me poorly played LAGs are the easiest to
win money from. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 I do not see enough rush poker videos. But any FR video should be helpful
NL50 and above. Some 6 max videos should be good too if you run our of FR
ones.. There are plenty of them there.
reach |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 9 Obviously you can't worry about the actual $$ amount when playing. your stacks consist of only the number of blinds when you are on a table. You can play tight a bit at first. Many advantages of
playing tight. When you get comfortable and have more data, then you can
loosen up.
9k hand is not much but being able to break even is much better than losing.
Try look deeper in the action pass the actual winning and see whether you
have an edge over the average population. Overall, I think you should... 阅读全帖 |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 10 what's your vpip in NL 100? if you don't want to say it in public, you can
pm me. I definitely widened my range in NL50, which kinda increased my
winrate a lot. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 帖几个输的大锅.大家讨论一下~
先是和鱼打的..
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Full Tilt Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players -
BTN/SB: $102.20
Hero (BB): $83.30
Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with Qd 7c
BTN/SB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1
Flop: ($3.00) 7d 9d Ks (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50
Turn: ($6.00) 7s (2 players)
Hero bets $5.00, BTN/SB calls $5
River: ($16.00) Th (2 players)
Hero bets $15.00, BTN/SB raises to $30, Hero calls $15
Final Pot: $76.00
BTN/SB shows 8d Jd
Hero mucks Qd 7c
B... 阅读全帖 |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 12 Have not played RUSH NL50 for a while. Only play 100 hands yesterday and
found
no too much action.
Get KK twice and QQ once, all at LP(CO/BTN). No raise at front and only to
collect
BB.
Raise with AQo/s twice from MP and both get 3/4X and folded (no info on the
player).
Raise with KQs at MP once and CBet 1/2 aced flop and BB call. Turn, A and
all check down. BB has JJ and won.
Raise with PP twice and CBet 2/3 AP (and won). Raise a couple of times with big Ax and medium PP to collect BB.
Call d... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 13 for making new videos. 1 hour 1.2k hands. I crushed the soul of NL50 fishes.lol...whooping 44bb/100hand.. ~~~.. Not sustainable but still nice to show~~~ There will be a new video with my comments on this session coming out soon to the theaters near you.. hoho..
Here is a preview of some big hands.
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Full Tilt Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
UTG: $52.05
UTG+1: $62.75
UTG+2: $80.75
MP1: $25.50
MP2: $86.25
CO: $50.00
Hero (BTN): $53.50
SB: $36.25
BB: $5... 阅读全帖 |
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l*********l
发帖数: 15 | 14 我觉得不scared of money很关键。yeah, I am LAG. usually full ring. AT NL50,
no bet scares me so I am able to make sound judgement based on my reading. I
played NL200 a few games and felt I was scared of money and could not play
well.... |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 15 imagine one day ftp and poker star can let you gamble with margins.. how sick would that be?
"Oh fuck.. i just lost a 50bb pot and i got a margin call... please help!!!"
ev mm replies: "that's what you get for playing NL10000 with a NL50 bank roll. Didn't I tell you not to use margins as soon as it came out???" lol..
changed
plan
everything |
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l*********l
发帖数: 15 | 16 thanks jim for the advice. so far i am able to do at NL50 but not higher... |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 17 This is just hot sessions.
2nd finisher is not that often!
NL50 get 7 buyins -----en, if you can run that hot, just stay your buyin
level, you could be very rich, but it is impossible. Your win rate should be
5BB/100.
in |
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l*********l
发帖数: 15 | 18 With the key sale accounts sealed and I got a bit more time to play PS in
Starbucks,I am feeling comfortable with NL100 now and no more NL50. As
windommm said, you can steal so many pots in NL100 as well with a big
range image and also trap allins. So the $800/7 hour is no fluke and I was
able to collect >$400 in three sessions respectively(about 4 hours each). I probably
would have made more if I do not play rush when wife bogged...... Can not
wait to test out some of the leak fixes in live cas... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 19 很多可以看出来是赢了免费赛来随便玩玩的
升级以后比升级之前轻松很多，升之前很痛苦，NL50桌又少，鱼又少
升级NL100之后基本上就是找鱼/比较弱的reg猛打
我的cash水平在BF之前基本是小输。BF之后专门突击了一些6max SSNL的视频，另外之
前看到MM讨论中一些思路也很有启发。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 20 just saw the huge bad beat jackpot on merge. I guess part of the reason for
nl 100 to be soft.
很多可以看出来是赢了免费赛来随便玩玩的升级以后比升级之前轻松很多，升之前很痛
苦，NL50桌又少，鱼又少升级NL100之后基本上就是找鱼/比较弱的reg猛打我的cash水
平在BF........
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 21 其实大家主要都是打micro stake cash的，tournaments尤其是MTT的时间一般人耗不起。
俺是从NL50退回来打NL25 rush的，NL50 regular本质上和NL25 regular是一个档次的
，你完全可以上。
俺退回来主要是想在便宜点的stake，试验提高aggression，看看效果。
每天在FTP打够了点数，俺还是会上doyles或者AP去打NL50的。以前俺有个奇怪的leak
，在其他站点打很不正常，不知道是不熟悉的软件，还是比如俺常用的notes功能不好
用，整得人比较烦躁，没有耐心。最近打多了，强了很多，发现其他地方人虽然没有
FTP，PS多，但是毛驴比例也不少。 |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 22 what's your bb/100 for NL50? windstormm
Probably you can already move to NL 100 with your winning record, the game
maybe slightly harder. But the profit probably gets 1.5 times than u
currently get in NL50.
btw, do we need to pay tax for the profit. Without tax, it's pretty decent
hourly rate for 5bb-10bb/100 in NL50. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 23 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - NL100 3500 hand break even, variance +1 buy in -- -1.5 buy in. I planned to wait
until i got 4k profit in NL50 to go up to NL100, but was running so bad (
another 200$ down vs ev yesterday. ouch!) so i decided to go up a level
anyway with 3.3k earning in NL50.
整体感觉fish 不少.. calling station 也多... call 3 street bet with middle
pair, chasing gut shotor trash flush draws 2 street without considering odds at all etc.
Still need to adjust to NL100. I feel the difference between NL100 and NL50
is larger than |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 24 在NL50 也整天被reg, 3 bet 到死。 只能较劲脑汁和对手对抡。 哎， 到最后也赢
不了多少钱。还是live 好啊， 毫无压力， 还可以和美女dealer/waitress 打情骂巧
。 on-line reg 真心很杯摧。哥真在考虑是不是该relocate 到赌场附近去。
下面前后两手牌对同一个NL100/NL50的reg, 26/21/13的LAG. carbon 上这牌不好打啊
。 连NL50都是至少半桌是multi-table reg， 还泥吗都凶得要命。 哥想稳稳当当赢
点钱就这么难吗？？？
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Merge $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
MP1: $50.00
MP2: $52.82
CO: $95.91
BTN: $52.48
SB: $167.53
BB: $50.00
Hero (UTG): $84.98
UTG+1: $39.25
UTG+2: $50.75
Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with 4s ... 阅读全帖 |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 25 NL50 好象是比 NL25 容易。我在 NL50能有 6bb/100, 在 NL25 才 3bb/100. |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 26 I played Rush NL50 for the last three days. I started with $42 dollars. and
till yesterday I run up to $243 and finally came down to $200. I withdrew
all of them and then quit. LOL. Hit and run!
IMO, NL100 > NL200 > NL50. NL100 is defintely tougher to beat. Why is that I
don't know. |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 27 All in pre-flop and this birdy hit K on the turn. &*&*&* FTP!!!
Later I got half the lost back then move back to NL50.
I dont feel there are big difference between Nl50 and Nl100. I will test
water later. |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 28 感觉不比 NL50 难阿
就是比NL50 aggressive 点, preflop 3 bet 很多。 |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 29 water~~~~~~~~~~~
I played NL50 and NL100 mixed. overall it's about even. lost 2 buyin in Nl50
and won 2 buyin in NL100. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 30 played some HU NL50 on ftp today. very soft and easy opponents. Even by
playing 1 table, it beats my hourly win rate on 2 tabling rush NL50 by far.
The rake back would be more as well. I probably got raked around 20$+ in an
hour.
Have to play more to find out how I do over long run. But with the 3 player i played, i have fairly significant edge over them. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 31 关键这帮人混在中间, 你都搞不清楚谁是谁...这牌就难打了...不过一般donk bet
pot 的人的牌都不是很大.. 我只碰到过一次. 他donk bet pot , pot turn, pot
river with a flopped bottom set 在NL50...其它最多是over pair when flop is all small cards..
这NL100 还是比NL50 难打.. 32k hand so far.. 只能在2bb-3bb/100hand 里徘徊.. 不过感觉打得有点累... |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 32 LOL, you are doing much better then me. I stay NL50 for these 2 weeks
because I realize that I make more money in Nl50 than Nl100. I always
encourage myself to move up so I will go back to Nl100 very soon... See you
there provided you don't go NL200....:) |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 33 I am not done yet. I am doing a few adjustment right now.
I had 1.6% of 3 bet rate at NL50. I would like to increase it to >3%, i am at more than 2% now. I have added a lot of squeezing to my game when it is multiple people in the pot preflop.
I have flop c bet rate of 75% and turn c bet rate of 35%. I am trying to
adjust it to a more banlanced rate. maybe 65% flop c bet 45% turn c bet.
I have 2.2 overall aggressive rate now at NL100 which is already higher than what I have at NL50. I would rea |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 34 可别这样叫。。 我消受不起。
咱也不是NL100大赢家，so far 1bb/100hand 太差了，没啥心得, 只是觉得NL100 比
NL50 难打. 你倒可以问问goes 怎样赢那么多的. 不过你如果觉得在NL50还打得很勉
强的,不入留在那里再练练, 提高自己的水平是王道... |
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r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 35 NL50 ppl only 3bet squeeze with AK and QQ+?
I dont think so.
we have windstorm 4-bets J9s at NL100, and I just bust a guy who 5-bets 50bb
with 46s at NL10.
haven't played NL25 and NL50 for a while. :)
. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 36 so this is what you were talking about
"[at stage 15] By this time, a player has the skills to win in nearly any no
limit holdem game in a live card room, up to and including 5$-10$ games.
This is also the stage where players can hope to break even or show slight
profit in tough online games like 25c-50c$"
What a slap on the face on live players but the comparison is probably true
. On the other hand, i think he is giving way too much credit to NL50 on-
line games. I think one can crush NL50 a... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 37 I use to play 12 8 through NL50 and some period of time on NL100. I think
it is ok at NL50 with that stats because there are so many fish that will
pay you off. Even with that stats i think 5bb/100 hand win rate is doable.
But it is not going to work at NL100 because everyone knows you are a nit
and your range is capped. Now i play a stardard tag style 15 11. I open a
lot more suited connectors, A suited etc even at early position. At CO and
button i open a lot wider. It has done me a lot of... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 38 以前是run bad 就不想打牌, 如今run hot 也没动力,NL50 5.5k手running 19bb/100
hand.. merge 的 NL50 FR 真是soft. |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 39 Saturday and Sunday when I was there in Lock, there were probably 10+ tables
NL50 FR, 10+ NL50 6-max running. Actions were good.
But the players were not that bad, at least in 6-max. I played 4-5 tables,
only like 2-3 players I can identify to be obvious fish. |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 40 接触扑克是去年年初，之后就一直在revolution network上打到现在，从最初各种被虐
到现在打赢 NL100。我没有找过教练，但是因为写thesis比较有时间，自己看过很多
书和视频。感觉有有几个人的书和视频帮助特别大。在这里推荐一下。附图是我最近在
战绩，算是小bso一下。
刚开始的时候看的几本书是《theory of poker》，《super system》和《small stake
no limit holdem》。看完之后我大概在NL4 break even。 然后觉得扑克不过尔尔，
就开始打NL20和NL50，一直打到cake退出美国。当时的帐号是popokaka，输了小1k。这
几本书基础的东西cover了一些，但是原理讲的并不清楚。如果新人自己看的话，很容
易出现的情况就是以为自己懂了，但是真打的时候完全不是一回事。当时的profit的曲
线的特点是绿线基本持平，红线一路往下。
去年七八月的时候cake退出美国，我转战lock。这个时候实验室的工作差不多做完了，
准备写thesis答辩什么的，于是比较有时间……因为始终打不赢NL20实在郁闷，就在网
上找了各种... 阅读全帖 |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 41 ACR的rake系统很奇怪，一共有三重rake。
普通rake 5% cap $3。 Bad beat jackpot rake $0.07。 “The beast” jackpot
rake $0.18。如果每月打牌超过10k手，“the beast”的rake大概会返还110%到120%。
普通rakeback 27%， BBJ quad 8 or better。还有就是100% first deposit bonus 永
不过期。感觉就是如果每月打得比较少（<2k），它的rake是超高的。如果打得超多(>
200k),仅“the beast”的rakeback盈利就会超过$5000。然后没有reward points...
能用HM。一般NL100人比较多，晚上8桌不成问题吧。NL50人少一点6max一般4～5桌。经
常可以看到leatherass在玩NL200～NL400。
玩家水平是我玩过的几个站当中最高的。NL50还好，紧弱的比较多，我明显有一些edge
。NL100的大部分玩家在preflop和3b pot打的非常凶。我只能break even。之前在lock
玩NL10... 阅读全帖 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 42 我不太知道现在的NL200的特点。因为BR的关系,前几天打了不少NL50。这几天打了些
NL100,感觉有些reg preflop play比NL50 aggressive 不少,有点NL600的样子,但
postflop技术差很多。NL600 6max其实并不是像想那样到处是 3bet,4bet,很多赢钱的
reg都打得比较solid, 有一两个我就不记得他们犯过错,当然你牌好可以赢他,但他像机
器一样情绪平稳始终不犯错, 真的很可怕。 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 43 前阵子就打了些nl50了。后来嫌来钱慢,就打大的,是来钱快了,但紧接着就输钱快了。
这不又只剩本金了,只适合打nl50. |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 44 我没说清楚。比如我现在打NL50，到了50BI，就是$2500，就上去打NL100，如果输到$
2000以下,就回去打NL50 。 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 45 昨天在NL50打的一手牌：
Hero with Qs2s at BB.
MP raise to 1.5,hero call,head-up.
flop Ac9sTs,hero check,MP bet 2.5,hero call.
turn Jh,MP bet 7,hero call.
river Td,hero bet 18,MP tank and fold.
这牌是好牌吗？
这就是一烂bluff。如果在NL100绝对是要被call。
因为hero拿中对连call两条街是不符合情理的。如果是draw就可以解释。所以最可能的
是hero在draw不中的情况下借两个T来bluff。在NL100我绝对不敢这么干，但是在NL50
却可以得逞。
这说明本身是leak的打法，在低级别中未必是leak。但是你在低级别能用，不能以为这
就是一个好打法。 |
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z******n
发帖数: 8851 | 46 NL50很多鱼就是这样，拿中对call两条街，到river这种情况就allin,像这手牌有QT或
T8也会call两条街，你要是总这样call,长期来讲会输钱，有时fold也正常，一般这个
level的鱼打的比较straight。。。
NL50 |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 47 许多人不喜欢回顾过去，因为眼前更重要，我更是一个现实主义者，过去的都过去了，
无论是平凡还是风光。不过回头看如何学poker还是有一定意义的，不仅可以给新同学
一些提示，也可以总结一下为什么有的同学进步快有的进步慢。
学什么总要有个开始，以前我提过玩play money，很多人觉得浪费时间，我现在还是坚
持这个观点（因为我就是玩了很久的play money Laughing ），玩play money的同时看
看书，可以少缴学费。会玩了之后，存几百块，一般从Limit开始，可以试着玩1/2，2/
4找找感觉。如果喜欢NL，那么要玩的稍微小一点，可以从NL50(0.25/0.50)开始，一般
玩几周，通常绝大多数同学是不能稳定赢钱的，这时候最好试着玩玩SNG，同时在系统
的学习 Hurrington的第一卷和第二卷。SNG的最大的好处是波动不大，基本真实的反映
了你的技术水平。在玩SNG的时候可以深入的学习理解各种牌的价值，位置的重要性，
人少时如何调整策略，牌的价值如何迅速的变化了，于对手较量如何大致分析他的牌的
可能范围，最后也练习了Heads up技术，同时也学会了资金管理等技术以 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 48 you are right.
IF you play scared, you should not play that level.
And usually 2/4 $400buyin is normal, it is 100bb, some deep room allows $
800 buyin.
I usually play NL50 6max, and play 6table - 8 tables at the same time.
PAIR |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 49 NL50 is NL$5/10 or NL$25/50? Either one is amazing. :) |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 50 =0.25/0.5NL, because max buy-in is 100BB, so NL50. |
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