c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 1 You must be kidding. Alan Truscott is such a great person that he can kill
bridge, it's really a big joke. I don't really agree with all of Truscott's
points. However, he does speak out some truth about the modern trend of the
destructive methods. The destructive methods can't really hurt top players
in theory, but it's really a bad idea to allow this kind of methods in short
matches, because it's virturally impossible for opponents to have a good
understanding in these highly unussual methods i |
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a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 2 This article was written by Alan Truscott, the famous bridge reporter of USA,
during the 2000 Orbis World Bridge Championships.
Systemic Germs
Some of you will have noticed that Bob Hamman, the WBF's top-ranked player, is
carrying around a large book. He is doing so reluctantly. It was prepared by
two world class experts and has 450 pages. It lists the counter-measures his
team is using against the methods of the 57 pairs they may have to play
against in the Bermuda Bowl.
He cites an opponent wh |
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a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 3 Mr. Truscott, let’s not kill bridge!
By Carlo Masca, NPC of the Italian Open Team
Bridge is tactics, strategy, technique, psychology; it is about intelligence
and not a battle of regulations.
A system or conventions affirms itself if effective and will inevitably
disappear when it becomes obsolete and a losing one; all this at the games
table and not at the judging one.
In recent years the most prevalent systems have been those of the natural
type, those which are quick to specify fit situations |
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a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 4 History already recorded who did and keep killing bridge.
It's this Mr. Truscott, made tons of rediculous comments on
how bridge should be played and how the players from outside
north America were cheating.
Why didn't he complain that Mechwell plays a highly unusual system
and their style is too aggressive to make bridge an enjoyable
game? Actually, his real intention is to regulate bridge
in such a way that the rules always favor american players.
Because of the popularity of the methods devel |
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a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 5 Terence Reese, holding
S Q94
H 1096543
D Q8
C AQ
on leading against four spades. Declarer has shown 5+ spades and
dummy has a strong 2NT opening.
Reese led the Q of clubs.
Truscott comments: "This is not a lead that would be likely to
occur to anyone. But if one assumes that East had in some way
indicated length and strength in clubs, the lead becomes entirely
understandable"
AK5
AKQ
A65
9653 |
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a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 6 Another hand presented by Truscott:
Reese and Schapiro Vs Americans |
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a***n
发帖数: 287 | 7
这是被证实的指控么? 我知道国际桥协什么的是ban了Reese和他的搭档,
但英国桥协好象没有妥协吧. 所以在我心目中Reese仍然是好汉. 当然了,
Truscott是指控中跳得最欢的,所以上面两篇文章我丝毫不感到奇怪.
Again, I am on Reese's side, if I have the honor to do so. |
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a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 8 Shapiro, holding:
S KQJ9
H A1097
D J10973
C ---
opens 1S, and after Reese responds 1NT, he rebids 2H.
Reese holds
S 4
H J6532
D Q5
C KQJ104
and bid 4H.
Claimed Truscott:" you only rebid 2 if you know that partner has a heart
fit."
Reese said, 2H is the only correct rebid because the heart fit might otherwise
be lost.
Had Shapiro known the heart fit, why didn't he open 1H?
Had Reese known the heart fit, why didn't he respond 2H, like
the Americans at the other table? |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 9 this is just nonsense. what would partner bid if he holds something like:
Sx HQxxxx Dxxxxx CKx, I would at least raise 2H to 3H with this hand.
4H is possible when partner holds something like:
SAxxxx HAxxxx Dx CAx
South should double 2H to disclose the psych.
Also, it really makes no diffence what Alan Truscott said about R and S
's bridge. There were just many persons witnessed that R and S cheated.
Also, R and S are not strong enough comparing with Italian guys at that time.
For U.S. players, |
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a***n
发帖数: 287 | 10
但是你不觉得Truscott刨来刨去刨出来的这些例子里面有相当比例
不用作弊也能叫出来么? 按牌理考虑,加上aggressiveness就应该
能实现的, 象这副牌就是如此. |
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w****b
发帖数: 623 | 11 Guys, I still don't know why we are disputing on these issues. Or these
non-issues. Just leave the history to historians, as we will never see 1st
hand materials and we'll have to allow ourselves to be influenced by writers,
who, may well have biased opinions.
For the given hands, I find Truscott's accusation soundless. But then, for
cheating cases, typically each individual hand does not supply enough
evidence, as everybody has deviated from the routine once in a while. But
collectively, deviat |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 12 yes, the whole thing is a big nonsense. However, the writers can't manipulate
facts. Truscott's analysis is also nonsense, but we don't really need his
"analysis" at all. The accusation has never been based on his analysis.
You can't accuse a weird action. What really happened in world championship was
that R and S used the finger signals which was observed by many persons.
That's it. |
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a***n
发帖数: 287 | 13
尤其是觉得自己心目中的英雄受了委屈的时候.
不过确实是老账了. 1965年吧? 今年也不是
大纪念日. Reese是96年去世的吧. 今年也不是
大纪念日. 难道说今年是Truscott的大纪念日么? |
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c****s
发帖数: 5892 | 14 根据目击证人提供的资料﹐皮尔区警方已锁定涉嫌于上月19日在市内入霸王油后﹐更将一名油站职员撞死的涉案汽车﹐为淡淙色或金色的2002年至2006年的日产Altima﹐汽车司机则为一名年约20至30岁的黑人男子。
警方表示会全力缉凶﹐未来数周﹐他们会揪出大多伦多地区所有符合上述外表特征的汽车车主问话。 当局亦呼吁有关司机届时要与警方配合。 警方同时亦劝喻涉案的司机﹐在取得律师意见后﹐再主动与警方联络﹐解释案发经过。
事发当日下午4时55分﹐案中62岁的死者Hashem Atifeh Rad在位于Truscott Dr.夹Southdown Rd.的油站工作﹐欲拦截一名入霸王油的汽车时被撞倒﹐送院抢救后至翌日终不治身亡。
据悉﹐事发前﹐有数名市民目击涉案车辆的司机刻意将车牌遮盖。
图为警方发放疑犯驾驶的同款房车。 (警方提供) |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 15 I am just wondering who is killing bridge.
Number of bridge players is declining and will decline in the future.
One important reason is that even an expert can not understand most of the
highly un-usual methods in world championship. For other games, it doesn't
really take an expert to watch it, but for bridge, even experts may not
understand the highest level competitions.
There must be something wrong. It's just
so mean to play a highly un-usual and destructive method for one's own
advantage. |
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a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 16 The topic is Bermuda World championship, all participants are or should be top
players. As Masca said, to win this game, you need to
work hard. It's not a war of regulation.
I am an average player, I am able to know what's going on in any system if you
explain it to me for half an hour.
For Mechwell, let me use their own words:
"The Mechwell style is to put the opponents under pressure as often
as possible. The more decision you give them, the more they will get
wrong and the more chances you wi |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 17
No, I am not only talking about bermuda bowl. bridge is somehow a game of
regulations nowadays. There were a lot of ruling disputes in recent top level
matches.
One thing I am sure is that you can't really understand strong pass system,
nightmare, etc in half a week.
Well, that's aggressiveness, not really destructive. I've read a lot of
their hands actually. Actually Meckwell's system is quite straight forward
comparing with other destructive methods: like 8-10 super light 1NT,
fert, overcall |
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w****b
发帖数: 623 | 18 Guys, I don't know what you are disputing, but try to calm down and throw away
personal feelings and prejudices, let's just talk about bridge.
I think it's natural for people to explore the weakness of the law if the law
is not mature enough. And the process of maturing the regulation may take
several generations. Just lamenting among our groups wouldn't move things. If
you have strong opinion, write to your district representative/director. After
all ACBL is a democratic body.
I personally don' |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 19 I have no much personal feelings about both American and European players.
I am not really against destructive methods as well. What I am against is the
way those players are taking advantages from these methods. It's not even
because their methods are better. They gain just because their opponents
are not familiar with the method. That's not the right way to win. It might be
legal, but a lot of ethic issues involved here. Also, it is poisonous to
media broadcasting. What can you gain if you wat |
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w****b
发帖数: 623 | 20 OK I think we come to a better conclusion. It's the failure to disclose, and
fully disclose the method, that does the damage, not the destructive/highly
unusual method itself.
Notice that disclosing the method itself does not necessarily mean disclosing
intentions -- and why should one do that? You don't chess player to disclose
their intentions in a complex manoeuver.
On the ethic side, how many players disclose their style before the play
begins? As I see it, the understanding of styles betwee |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 21
The problem is that for a highly unusual method, it's way more important
to disclose partnership understanding, because if you play a standard method,
your opponents may be experienced enough to understand what is going on there.
So if one plays a highly unusual system, a pre-alert is required and more
partnership understanding and agreement should be given. However, if the
system is very complicated, it's virtually impossible to disclose all the
information. So players who play it can still ta |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 22 Do you really know why Reese and schapiro were banned?
That's not because of this. They used their fingers to deliver heart length,
and was witnessed by many honest people including many neutural side persons.
If you have done a little bit research on it, you should have known
whether they were guilty. |
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a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 23 Seems you know everything.
Reese and shapiro were not banned.
A formal investigation was conducted after
that event. Reese and schapiro were found NOT guilty. But the WBF,
controlled by american bridge authority, have no intention
to withdraw its accusation and recognize their integrity. Therefore,
Reese and shapiro refused to participate any WBF event from then on.
Actually, one doesn't need to know this and can conclude what had happened. If
they were convicted guilty, why didn't WBF cancel
Br |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 24 Yes. I know much more than you about this issue. Why didn't you make a little
research before you posted here? Your post was not even close to the truth.
R and S were banned by WBF, not they refused to paricipate any wbf events.
They actually tried one world championship trial, but wbf wouldn't allow them
to play if they qualify, so they withdrew. I've read many books talking
about this case, it was just overwhelmingly clear that R and S cheated.
The legal case in UK was just a joke, it was a t |
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a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 25 They were suspended for about 3 years. later WBF allow them
to back in, given they are not playing as partners. But they
decided to quit.
little
them
players
view
happened. If
understanding |
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a***n
发帖数: 287 | 26
当年的什么赛事以英国队退出收场, 也算Tuscott之流胜利了吧.
Reese好象是被禁赛了一定时间的样子. 可能我记错了?
这个其实是自己的损失. 回击敌人的最好办法是击败他们,而不是leave them alone. |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 27 Yes. I once thought Reese was a hero since I like his books.
However, after reading many books
on this case, it was clear that they did cheat.
Everybody may make some mistakes in his life, heroes are those who
admit their mistakes bravely. |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 28
wbf didn't allow these two to play together in my recollection.
Also, B Schapiro is not mentally strong and Reese was very tough to his
partners. |
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a***n
发帖数: 287 | 29
我是没有读过多少一手资料, 所以不可能与你争什么.
但我相信英国桥协能为了Reese他们退出比赛想来是有
一定道理的. 我宁愿相信这不全是因为面子问题.
另外Reese后来过的还是相当respectful的生活,于此
我相信应该还是有不少人认为他们是无辜的. 毕竞
cheating是个大事,不是很容易被forgiven的.
Yes, but they only need to do that when they committed
the mistake. If they didn't ...
Besides, I don't like Tuscott's attitude towards
this whole issue. It looks like he wanted to
get Reese banned forever. |
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a***n
发帖数: 287 | 30
如果用幕布什么的了,为什么好象禁止两人搭档呢?
而且如果他们确实有一套行之有效的作弊方法,难道
换个搭档这套方法就会失效么?! 所以在我看来wbf
纯粹是故意刁难. 这更让我怀疑当初他们是否意识
到自己曾经的定论是不可靠的,但又碍于面子.
Anyway, 纯粹猜测21. |
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f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 31 hoho, another old id here?【 在 acman (笑傲江湖) 的大作中提到: 】 |
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a***n
发帖数: 287 | 32
不好意思,很久没有在这里灌水了.
倒是经常来看看,只是水平低下中,就不自找板砖了. :) |
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a***n
发帖数: 287 | 33
这个case里Reese的叫牌是有点奇怪, to me at least. 这么畸形的牌应
1NT有点不合常理, 如果他们的1NT是示弱并允许止叫的话. 不过考虑到
草花套的坚固程度可能于NT定约更为有利, 1NT也不是那么不可接受.
至于是1S还是1H开叫,大约是制度所限,不予置评. |
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a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 35 you always use some artificial hands to support your point.
One can always use this to demonstrate that any system won't work at
all, no matter how sophisticate it is.
所谓 "有形之徒, 莫不可名, 有名之徒, 莫不可胜".
The only impression I can get from your comments is that
your are weak in theory. coz you cannot deliver your idea by articulate a
deduction.
Anyone out there believe that there is such thing as "safe" psych?
he took the reasonable risk as I explained, and he got his reward.
His action would have faile |
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a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 36 不平则鸣. 呵呵呵呵:-)
writers,
suggestion.
think
like: |
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w****b
发帖数: 623 | 37 Then learned to eat the unfairness ba, whether to yourself or to someone else.
That will make you stronger. :-)
may
a |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 38
you can say whatever you like. The basic idea of psychic bids is that
it would backfire in some situations. Ok, that's all I want to say about
S's psyche.
When a player knows about his partner's length in H, he can make safe
psychic bids in H. Also, in the law suite, both R and S had to admit that they
used finger signals, but their lawyer "proved" that they didn't take any
advantage from the finger signal, what a big joke!
Anyway, it's really pointless to argue about this issue. You can believ |
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a***n
发帖数: 287 | 40
这个是不是太过了点? 不要文人相轻么. :) |
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d*******e
发帖数: 558 | 41
你以为这些资料都是发表在知音读者之类的杂志上吗？
google一下就有很多资料。
Wheeler, J. A. in Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Theory (ed Marlow, A.
R.) (Academic Press, 1978).
Jacques, V. et al. Experimental realization of Wheeler’s delayed-choice
gedanken experiment. Science 315, 966–968 (2007).
A. G. Manning, R. I. Khakimov, R. G. Dall, A. G. Truscott. "Wheeler's
delayed-choice gedanken experiment with a single atom.". Nature Physics,
2015. doi:10.1038/nphys3343.
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d*******e
发帖数: 558 | 42
你以为这些资料都是发表在知音读者之类的杂志上吗？
google一下就有很多资料。
Wheeler, J. A. in Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Theory (ed Marlow, A.
R.) (Academic Press, 1978).
Jacques, V. et al. Experimental realization of Wheeler’s delayed-choice
gedanken experiment. Science 315, 966–968 (2007).
A. G. Manning, R. I. Khakimov, R. G. Dall, A. G. Truscott. "Wheeler's
delayed-choice gedanken experiment with a single atom.". Nature Physics,
2015. doi:10.1038/nphys3343.
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d*******e
发帖数: 558 | 43
你以为这些资料都是发表在知音读者之类的杂志上吗？
google一下就有很多资料。
Wheeler, J. A. in Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Theory (ed Marlow, A.
R.) (Academic Press, 1978).
Jacques, V. et al. Experimental realization of Wheeler’s delayed-choice
gedanken experiment. Science 315, 966–968 (2007).
A. G. Manning, R. I. Khakimov, R. G. Dall, A. G. Truscott. "Wheeler's
delayed-choice gedanken experiment with a single atom.". Nature Physics,
2015. doi:10.1038/nphys3343.
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