u*l
发帖数: 1943 | 1 现在不是电池质量不过关吗，是不是几年后就不行了，然后就退化到普通车的耗油了？ |
l*******g
发帖数: 27064 | 2 不至于吧
电池技术和管理也在进步
怕问题可以考虑lease，过几年再换一辆
买的话我建议你考虑cmax，fusion hybrid，和丰田家一样的技术，但是又没有丰田的
严重固件缺陷。价格还比丰田的便宜，cmax比prius重好几百磅，油耗虽然差一点儿，
但是安全性不可同日而语。
如果想买更便宜的可以考虑leaf，lease的话看到不少一个月不到200的 |
F***Q
发帖数: 6599 | 3
the typical number published is that the battery capacity will reduce by ~15
-30% after 8-years, which is ok.
most plug-in hybrid makers allocate a part of the battery capacity for
extended lifetime. For example, volt has a 16kWh battery, but only 10kWh is
chargeable; MB B-class electric drive has a 36kWh battery, but it only
allows you to charge up to 28kWh (the rest will be used in the later years,
you can use it upfront if you buy the "extended charge" package).
I don't worry about this, because in 10 years, probably you can buy a pocket
battery that can drive your car at the current capacity. I am pretty
optimistic about this.
【在 u*l 的大作中提到】
: 现在不是电池质量不过关吗，是不是几年后就不行了，然后就退化到普通车的耗油了？
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l********7
发帖数: 1077 | 4 你怎么个optimistic法？
锂已经是最轻的金属了，再下去就是极其危险的氢了，化学能电池的能量密度到了极限了
改进的空间很小，这么多年研究已经被卡在这里了
pocket battery依靠化学能是基本不可能的
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pocket
【在 F***Q 的大作中提到】
:
: the typical number published is that the battery capacity will reduce by ~15
: -30% after 8-years, which is ok.
: most plug-in hybrid makers allocate a part of the battery capacity for
: extended lifetime. For example, volt has a 16kWh battery, but only 10kWh is
: chargeable; MB B-class electric drive has a 36kWh battery, but it only
: allows you to charge up to 28kWh (the rest will be used in the later years,
: you can use it upfront if you buy the "extended charge" package).
: I don't worry about this, because in 10 years, probably you can buy a pocket
: battery that can drive your car at the current capacity. I am pretty
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m********s
发帖数: 55301 | 5 是。
现在，电池技术是瓶颈，10年内还不可能有明显改观。
限了
【在 l********7 的大作中提到】
: 你怎么个optimistic法？
: 锂已经是最轻的金属了，再下去就是极其危险的氢了，化学能电池的能量密度到了极限了
: 改进的空间很小，这么多年研究已经被卡在这里了
: pocket battery依靠化学能是基本不可能的
:
: 15
: is
: ,
: pocket
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F***Q
发帖数: 6599 | 6
限了
high density hydrogen storage
micro nuclear reactor
Handheld Nuclear Fusion Reactor
wireless vehicle charging
high-efficiency regenerative brake
...
many possible directions go beyond Li-ion, just a matter of time and
government investment
【在 l********7 的大作中提到】
: 你怎么个optimistic法？
: 锂已经是最轻的金属了，再下去就是极其危险的氢了，化学能电池的能量密度到了极限了
: 改进的空间很小，这么多年研究已经被卡在这里了
: pocket battery依靠化学能是基本不可能的
:
: 15
: is
: ,
: pocket
|
F***Q
发帖数: 6599 | 7
限了
even no breakthrough, doubling the energy density in a few years, as part of
the battery evolution, will bring my volt to 100mi range and a BMW i3/MB B-
class ED to 200mi range, that's very practical!
Nissian is already talking about rolling out a 150-mile replacement battery.
In 5-10 years, paying a few thousand bucks for a replacement battery for
doubled/quadrupled range sounds pretty realistic and acceptable.
【在 l********7 的大作中提到】
: 你怎么个optimistic法？
: 锂已经是最轻的金属了，再下去就是极其危险的氢了，化学能电池的能量密度到了极限了
: 改进的空间很小，这么多年研究已经被卡在这里了
: pocket battery依靠化学能是基本不可能的
:
: 15
: is
: ,
: pocket
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c**e
发帖数: 4439 | 8 其实当你都知道电池问题的时候 你就应该避免hybrid了 |
A***n
发帖数: 8859 | 9 电池报废了，送去污染中国，你以为你省钱了，同胞们把污染兜着，挺好的。 |
