c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 1 VOA Chinese, July 26, 2010.
http://www1.voanews.com/chinese/news/20100726-russia-99225019.html
Note:
(a) Russia may sign first Su-35 warplane export deal by yearend. Ria Novosti
, July 21, 2010.
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20100721/159895960.html
("The plane is equipped with an advanced passive electronically scanned
array radar and digital fly-by-wire and a rear-looking radar for firing Semi
-Active Radar missiles. It is designed to carry 8 tons of weapons for a
distance of up to 3,550 kilom |
w*******g
发帖数: 9932 | 2 this is a rumor that had been around for a long time.
I don't think it will be materialized since there is J-15, which is
like an exact copy of Su-33.
Novosti
Semi
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: VOA Chinese, July 26, 2010.
: http://www1.voanews.com/chinese/news/20100726-russia-99225019.html
: Note:
: (a) Russia may sign first Su-35 warplane export deal by yearend. Ria Novosti
: , July 21, 2010.
: http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20100721/159895960.html
: ("The plane is equipped with an advanced passive electronically scanned
: array radar and digital fly-by-wire and a rear-looking radar for firing Semi
: -Active Radar missiles. It is designed to carry 8 tons of weapons for a
: distance of up to 3,550 kilom
|
c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 3 Which one? Su-33 or Su-35?
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: this is a rumor that had been around for a long time.
: I don't think it will be materialized since there is J-15, which is
: like an exact copy of Su-33.
:
: Novosti
: Semi
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w*******g
发帖数: 9932 | 4 there is no chance China will buy Su-33 or Su-35.
PLA can make exact replica of Su-33 and there is a domestic turbo fan engine
that can fit Su-33 as well. I don't see a reason for purchasing Su-33
or Su-35.
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: Which one? Su-33 or Su-35?
|
F*****t
发帖数: 2580 | 5 这是老毛子放风忽悠三锅用的
快来买SU-35啊，不然俺就卖给土鳖了，你的SU-30MKI就要变杯具了 |
y***l
发帖数: 6963 | 6 买su33是不可能的，要买TG就得付毛子重起生产线需要的几十亿美刀
就算买交货也不一定比自己造快，另外那涨价敲竹杠是一定的
su35可能性也很小，该机对手是谁？
engine
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: there is no chance China will buy Su-33 or Su-35.
: PLA can make exact replica of Su-33 and there is a domestic turbo fan engine
: that can fit Su-33 as well. I don't see a reason for purchasing Su-33
: or Su-35.
|
y***l
发帖数: 6963 | 7 Su30MKI跟J11B比起来那里强？除了雷达？
号称AESA快好了，装了AESA MKI也没啥优势了吧？考虑到中距弹的优势，J11B能抢建
MKI
【在 F*****t 的大作中提到】
: 这是老毛子放风忽悠三锅用的
: 快来买SU-35啊，不然俺就卖给土鳖了，你的SU-30MKI就要变杯具了
|
f**k
发帖数: 15238 | 8 雷达也不强啊
难道三哥买了米国雷达?
【在 y***l 的大作中提到】
: Su30MKI跟J11B比起来那里强？除了雷达？
: 号称AESA快好了，装了AESA MKI也没啥优势了吧？考虑到中距弹的优势，J11B能抢建
: MKI
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s********e
发帖数: 13723 | 9 比J11强屁用，还不是干不过建10
【在 y***l 的大作中提到】
: Su30MKI跟J11B比起来那里强？除了雷达？
: 号称AESA快好了，装了AESA MKI也没啥优势了吧？考虑到中距弹的优势，J11B能抢建
: MKI
|
F*****t
发帖数: 2580 | 10 就算哪都不强，这话也不能跟3锅说啊。
要不然3锅该跟毛子急眼了，“你说俺买了MKI干中国猴子不在话下的，敢情你逗我玩呢
。”
【在 y***l 的大作中提到】
: Su30MKI跟J11B比起来那里强？除了雷达？
: 号称AESA快好了，装了AESA MKI也没啥优势了吧？考虑到中距弹的优势，J11B能抢建
: MKI
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|
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f**k
发帖数: 15238 | 11 根本就是两种飞机
虽然mki兼顾空优,但是还是个对面攻击为主的机型,不好这么比
只要战区内我方信息系统完备,作战支持的侦监技术到家.小七都能干掉mki.
但是小7作为2代机,肯定差mki远了.
【在 s********e 的大作中提到】
: 比J11强屁用，还不是干不过建10
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c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 12 Su-35 is NEW.
Regarding Su-33. If you believe Russians, they say China's replicas can not
compete with the real one. Anyway, China ca not build engines and has to buy
from Russia, which now says NO. (If China has no interest, why does Russia
say China is going to discuss in November?)
engine
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: there is no chance China will buy Su-33 or Su-35.
: PLA can make exact replica of Su-33 and there is a domestic turbo fan engine
: that can fit Su-33 as well. I don't see a reason for purchasing Su-33
: or Su-35.
|
f**k
发帖数: 15238 | 13 你这口英文真是够寒碜的
not
buy
Russia
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: Su-35 is NEW.
: Regarding Su-33. If you believe Russians, they say China's replicas can not
: compete with the real one. Anyway, China ca not build engines and has to buy
: from Russia, which now says NO. (If China has no interest, why does Russia
: say China is going to discuss in November?)
:
: engine
|
w*******g
发帖数: 9932 | 14 first of all, Su-35 is very close to the Su-30 mki of India. So it is
unlikely
China will buy some figher jets well known to India.
J-15 is still being developed and Su-33's assembly line does not exist
anymore.
It is quicker to build J-15 than restarting Su-33 assembly line.
There is plenty of Russian engines for the test flights of J-15 and after
that,
WS-10 will be used instead. I don't think there is any doubt that J-15 will
be
the standard Navy fighter jet used for aircraft carrier.
China i
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: Su-35 is NEW.
: Regarding Su-33. If you believe Russians, they say China's replicas can not
: compete with the real one. Anyway, China ca not build engines and has to buy
: from Russia, which now says NO. (If China has no interest, why does Russia
: say China is going to discuss in November?)
:
: engine
|
c****g
发帖数: 37081 | 15 see you in food court.
【在 f**k 的大作中提到】
: 你这口英文真是够寒碜的
:
: not
: buy
: Russia
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p******u
发帖数: 14642 | 16 三锅刚刚上个月才签了42架30mki的，还是2018年前交完货。丫们要想要35bm估计也有
心无力了吧 |
c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 17 Now that you are polite, which is rare in my memory), I will discuss
technical issues only.
(1) Think about it. Commercial aircraft emphasize safety, not speed, ability
to avoid detection and to detect enemy first. Still China does not have a
track record--this is a courteous way to say it completely fails--to build a
commercial airliner or helicopter. China has to import avionics (and
practically everything else), not just engines.
If China's indigenous fighter jets are so good, why does it veh
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: first of all, Su-35 is very close to the Su-30 mki of India. So it is
: unlikely
: China will buy some figher jets well known to India.
: J-15 is still being developed and Su-33's assembly line does not exist
: anymore.
: It is quicker to build J-15 than restarting Su-33 assembly line.
: There is plenty of Russian engines for the test flights of J-15 and after
: that,
: WS-10 will be used instead. I don't think there is any doubt that J-15 will
: be
|
c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 18 More news report about JF-17, in chronological order.
(1) Wendell Minnick, Usman Ansari and Nabi Abdullaev, Russia Fears
Competition From Chinese Fighter Jets. Defense News, July 16, 2010.
http://defensenews.com/blogs/farnborough/2010/07/16/russia-fears-competition-from-chinese-fighter-jets/
Quote:
(a) "Dmitry Vasilyev, an arms export analyst with Moscow’s Center for
Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, said the JF-17’s relatively small
pricetag makes it more attractive.
“'Two engines needed
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: Now that you are polite, which is rare in my memory), I will discuss
: technical issues only.
: (1) Think about it. Commercial aircraft emphasize safety, not speed, ability
: to avoid detection and to detect enemy first. Still China does not have a
: track record--this is a courteous way to say it completely fails--to build a
: commercial airliner or helicopter. China has to import avionics (and
: practically everything else), not just engines.
: If China's indigenous fighter jets are so good, why does it veh
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c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 19 To risk duplication, I will remind you, the readers, of the last item ("
Russia downplays Chinese J-15 fighter capabilities") in my posting dated
June 29, 2010, also in this board.
http://www.mitbbs.com/article/Military/33985479_3.html
China is always secretive. But at least you know where Russia stands. |
