R****a
发帖数: 6858 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: Regina (猫宝宝), 信区: USANews
标 题: 西方忧虑：中国的年轻人忠于自己的国家胜过喜爱民主
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Dec 11 16:13:01 2012, 美东)
我个人觉得这才是中国的希望，只有这样中国才能团结起来，共同为中国和中国人争取
阳光下的地盘和世界资源。
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China’s Loyal Youth
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By MATTHEW FORNEY
Published: April 13, 2008
Beijing
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MANY sympathetic Westerners view Chinese society along the lines of what
they saw in the waning days of the Soviet Union: a repressive government
backed by old hard-liners losing its grip to a new generation of well-
educated, liberal-leaning sophisticates. As pleasant as this outlook may be,
it’s naïve. Educated young Chinese, far from being embarrassed or
upset by their government’s human-rights record, rank among the most
patriotic, establishment-supporting people you’ll meet.
As is clear to anyone who lives here, most young ethnic Chinese strongly
support their government’s suppression of the recent Tibetan uprising. One
Chinese friend who has a degree from a European university described the
conflict to me as “a clash between the commercial world and an old
aboriginal society.” She even praised her government for treating Tibetans
better than New World settlers treated Native Americans.
It’s a rare person in China who considers the desires of the Tibetans
themselves. “Young Chinese have no sympathy for Tibet,” a Beijing human-
rights lawyer named Teng Biao told me. Mr. Teng — a Han Chinese who has
offered to defend Tibetan monks caught up in police dragnets — feels very
alone these days. Most people in their 20s, he says, “believe the Dalai
Lama is trying to split China.”
Educated young people are usually the best positioned in society to bridge
cultures, so it’s important to examine the thinking of those in China. The
most striking thing is that, almost without exception, they feel rightfully
proud of their country’s accomplishments in the three decades since
economic reforms began. And their pride and patriotism often find expression
in an unquestioning support of their government, especially regarding Tibet.
The most obvious explanation for this is the education system, which can
accurately be described as indoctrination. Textbooks dwell on China’s
humiliations at the hands of foreign powers in the 19th century as if they
took place yesterday, yet skim over the Cultural Revolution of the 1960s and
’70s as if it were ancient history. Students learn the neat calculation
that Chairman Mao’s tyranny was “30 percent wrong,” then the subject is
declared closed. The uprising in Tibet in the late 1950s, and the invasion
that quashed it, are discussed just long enough to lay blame on the “Dalai
clique,” a pejorative reference to the circle of advisers around Tibet’s
spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama.
Then there’s life experience — or the lack of it — that might otherwise
help young Chinese to gain a perspective outside the government’s viewpoint
. Young urban Chinese study hard and that’s pretty much it. Volunteer work,
sports, church groups, debate teams, musical skills and other
extracurricular activities don’t factor into college admission, so few
participate. And the government’s control of society means there aren’t
many non-state-run groups to join anyway. Even the most basic American
introduction to real life — the summer job — rarely exists for urban
students in China.
Recent Chinese college graduates are an optimistic group. And why not? The
economy has grown at a double-digit rate for as long as they can remember.
Those who speak English are guaranteed good jobs. Their families own homes.
They’ll soon own one themselves, and probably a car too. A cellphone, an
iPod, holidays — no problem. Small wonder the Pew Research Center in
Washington described the Chinese in 2005 as “world leaders in optimism.”
As for political repression, few young Chinese experience it. Most are too
young to remember the Tiananmen massacre of 1989 and probably nobody has
told them stories. China doesn’t feel like a police state, and the people
young Chinese read about who do suffer injustices tend to be poor — those
who lost homes to government-linked property developers without fair
compensation or whose crops failed when state-supported factories polluted
their fields.
Educated young Chinese are therefore the biggest beneficiaries of policies
that have brought China more peace and prosperity than at any time in the
past thousand years. They can’t imagine why Tibetans would turn up their
noses at rising incomes and the promise of a more prosperous future. The
loss of a homeland just doesn’t compute as a valid concern.
Of course, the nationalism of young Chinese may soften over time. As college
graduates enter the work force and experience their country’s corruption
and inefficiency, they often grow more critical. It is received wisdom in
China that people in their 40s are the most willing to challenge their
government, and the Tibet crisis bears out that observation. Of the 29
ethnic-Chinese intellectuals who last month signed a widely publicized
petition urging the government to show restraint in the crackdown, not one
was under 30.
Barring major changes in China’s education system or economy, Westerners
are not going to find allies among the vast majority of Chinese on key
issues like Tibet, Darfur and the environment for some time. If the debate
over Tibet turns this summer’s contests in Beijing into the Human Rights
Games, as seems inevitable, Western ticket-holders expecting to find Chinese
angry at their government will instead find Chinese angry at them.
Matthew Forney, a former Beijing bureau chief for Time, is writing a book
about raising his family in China. | S****e
发帖数: 10596 | 2 谁给我索索
到底嘛是民主
看着stem法案被民主操来操去
我无耻的萎了！
【在 R****a 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
: 发信人: Regina (猫宝宝), 信区: USANews
: 标 题: 西方忧虑：中国的年轻人忠于自己的国家胜过喜爱民主
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Dec 11 16:13:01 2012, 美东)
: 我个人觉得这才是中国的希望，只有这样中国才能团结起来，共同为中国和中国人争取
: 阳光下的地盘和世界资源。
: ====================================
: China’s Loyal Youth
: TWITTER
: LINKEDIN
| c****h
发帖数: 4968 | 3 这根本没有矛盾，中国青年在爱国，爱民族的同时，完全能够追求适合自己国情的民主。
而西方的民主是""我说你民主你就是民主""。稍微头脑清醒的都不会傻呼呼跟着西方起
舞。 | R****a
发帖数: 6858 | 4
主。
你说的那个适合中国国情的民主，在西方看来就是法西斯，就是纳粹。
因为西方定义的民主，必须是为西方利益服务的，而适合中国国情的民主必然是为中国
人服务的，完全违背了西方民主的定义，所以适合中国国情的民主必然被西方宣传为中
国的纳粹主义和法西斯主义
别忘了，当年的元首也是民主普选上台的，但是他不是为英美服务的，而是为德国人民
出气的，所以就是纳粹。
【在 c****h 的大作中提到】
: 这根本没有矛盾，中国青年在爱国，爱民族的同时，完全能够追求适合自己国情的民主。
: 而西方的民主是""我说你民主你就是民主""。稍微头脑清醒的都不会傻呼呼跟着西方起
: 舞。
| H*********S
发帖数: 22772 | 5 毛是神人，早把一切看清楚了
毛说过：不是东风压倒西风，就是西风压倒东风。毛时代中国向世界传播毛泽东思想，
要让全世界人民都在毛泽东思想照耀之下。邓高举投降白旗，于是西风全面压倒东风，
西方自始至终都在传播西方的民主，要让全世界人民都在民主普世思想照耀下。
毛时代中国有样板戏，邓时代不搞了；其实美国好莱坞一直就只拍样板戏。
很多人认为邓时代是进步开明，其实真相很可能只是不分是非2B化而已。
【在 R****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 主。
: 你说的那个适合中国国情的民主，在西方看来就是法西斯，就是纳粹。
: 因为西方定义的民主，必须是为西方利益服务的，而适合中国国情的民主必然是为中国
: 人服务的，完全违背了西方民主的定义，所以适合中国国情的民主必然被西方宣传为中
: 国的纳粹主义和法西斯主义
: 别忘了，当年的元首也是民主普选上台的，但是他不是为英美服务的，而是为德国人民
: 出气的，所以就是纳粹。
| d*********e
发帖数: 279 | 6 我年轻的时候也是支持搞美式民主的,但随着对人性更深的了解,象欧美这样比较发达的
国家,相对贫富不那么悬殊的地方民主都有很大的问题,欧洲的结构性问题是没法解决的
,在一人一票的情况下,47%(很快会超过50%)的美国人完全通过选票来给2%的富人加税,
要求政府增加福利,这会进入一个恶性循环,连欧美这样的发达国家搞一人一票的民主都
在走下坡路,中国这样民族复杂,贫富悬殊,而且没有自由传统的的国家是不是适合搞一
人一票是很有疑问的,对大事的投票权是一个很重大的责任,是不是一个啥也不懂的人和
一个精英的决定权是一样的?我也不赞成现在中国的政府,但我希望是经过改良,吸收更
多的精英进入决策,咨询系统,同时引进内部的制约,这才是中国适合走的方向. | R****a
发帖数: 6858 | 7
小心西方媒体说你是希姆莱。只有中国四分五裂、中国人灭绝才是西方承认的最佳的民
主模式。
【在 d*********e 的大作中提到】
: 我年轻的时候也是支持搞美式民主的,但随着对人性更深的了解,象欧美这样比较发达的
: 国家,相对贫富不那么悬殊的地方民主都有很大的问题,欧洲的结构性问题是没法解决的
: ,在一人一票的情况下,47%(很快会超过50%)的美国人完全通过选票来给2%的富人加税,
: 要求政府增加福利,这会进入一个恶性循环,连欧美这样的发达国家搞一人一票的民主都
: 在走下坡路,中国这样民族复杂,贫富悬殊,而且没有自由传统的的国家是不是适合搞一
: 人一票是很有疑问的,对大事的投票权是一个很重大的责任,是不是一个啥也不懂的人和
: 一个精英的决定权是一样的?我也不赞成现在中国的政府,但我希望是经过改良,吸收更
: 多的精英进入决策,咨询系统,同时引进内部的制约,这才是中国适合走的方向.
| R****a
发帖数: 6858 | | w***o
发帖数: 899 | 9 为什么担心？担心中国变成二战前的日本呗
【在 R****a 的大作中提到】
| R****a
发帖数: 6858 | 10
估计不会了，中国人口是日本的10倍以上，而且能源原材料和产业革命进行的很顺利，
同时西方白人也给自己树立了诸如穆斯林、俄罗斯、非洲黑人和南美人这样的敌对宗教
和国家，中国拥有足够的回旋余地，这次应该可以把白人扫进历史垃圾堆。
【在 w***o 的大作中提到】
: 为什么担心？担心中国变成二战前的日本呗
| | | w***o
发帖数: 899 | 11 这不还是我说的意思，变成二战前的日本。
只不过区别在于你认为中国这次能打赢。
【在 R****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 估计不会了，中国人口是日本的10倍以上，而且能源原材料和产业革命进行的很顺利，
: 同时西方白人也给自己树立了诸如穆斯林、俄罗斯、非洲黑人和南美人这样的敌对宗教
: 和国家，中国拥有足够的回旋余地，这次应该可以把白人扫进历史垃圾堆。
| v******a
发帖数: 45075 | 12 丫明显不懂中国人啊
中国人只忠于个人利益
【在 R****a 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
: 发信人: Regina (猫宝宝), 信区: USANews
: 标 题: 西方忧虑：中国的年轻人忠于自己的国家胜过喜爱民主
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Dec 11 16:13:01 2012, 美东)
: 我个人觉得这才是中国的希望，只有这样中国才能团结起来，共同为中国和中国人争取
: 阳光下的地盘和世界资源。
: ====================================
: China’s Loyal Youth
: TWITTER
: LINKEDIN
| n*****8
发帖数: 19630 | 13 老将自白啊。:)
【在 v******a 的大作中提到】
: 丫明显不懂中国人啊
: 中国人只忠于个人利益
| v******a
发帖数: 45075 | 14 所有的中国“将”都一个鸟样
【在 n*****8 的大作中提到】
: 老将自白啊。:)
| M******8
发帖数: 10589 | 15 啥时候中国的年轻人忠于共产党胜过喜爱吃饭，中国的一切威胁就都解除了。 | z******n
发帖数: 2595 | | R****a
发帖数: 6858 | 17
亲君子，远小人，此先汉所以兴隆也。
亲小人，远君子，此后汉所以倾颓也。
美国现在就是亲小人，远君子。
【在 S****e 的大作中提到】
: 谁给我索索
: 到底嘛是民主
: 看着stem法案被民主操来操去
: 我无耻的萎了！
| N*L
发帖数: 899 | 18 那不是挺好的
【在 R****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 亲君子，远小人，此先汉所以兴隆也。
: 亲小人，远君子，此后汉所以倾颓也。
: 美国现在就是亲小人，远君子。
| R****a
发帖数: 6858 | 19
不是二战前的日本，是马邑之战前的汉朝。
【在 w***o 的大作中提到】
: 这不还是我说的意思，变成二战前的日本。
: 只不过区别在于你认为中国这次能打赢。
| m*****t
发帖数: 2800 | | | | w***o
发帖数: 899 | 21 如此看来第三次世界大战早晚要爆发啊。
【在 R****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 不是二战前的日本，是马邑之战前的汉朝。
| s*******g
发帖数: 689 | 22 买买提上这些言论搁到水木特快去，立马一群人上来五毛五毛的叫阵了。。。。。 | R****a
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