c*****r
发帖数: 8227 | | G****s
发帖数: 3523 | 2 that's right. focus on the important stuff.
37 really doesn't matter.
【在 c*****r 的大作中提到】
: 把这要命的两项搞定，其它的，随你怎么折腾！
| d**p
发帖数: 510 | | l**t
发帖数: 6971 | 4
38难道不要命？
【在 c*****r 的大作中提到】
: 把这要命的两项搞定，其它的，随你怎么折腾！
| c*****r
发帖数: 8227 | 5 To diep and lopt on 38:
The situation for Prop 38, like Obama's chance in Texas (or Romney's chance
in California, if you like). It has no way to pass! Full Stop.
On the contrary, just like Ohio, Prop 30 and Prop 32 are the battlegrounds
of California - your vote counts!
NO on 30!
YES on 32! | d**n
发帖数: 3172 | 6 我们的小孩明年可能三个星期没学上。大学生可能六年毕业。
就为了给50万以上的富人争权益。 | z******a
发帖数: 5381 | 7 孩子没学上参加补习班怎么样？或者索性上私利
否则有一种跟恐怖分子谈判的感觉。
不过大多数人最后恐怕还是要妥协。投鼠忌器，受制于人啊。没办法
【在 d**n 的大作中提到】
: 我们的小孩明年可能三个星期没学上。大学生可能六年毕业。
: 就为了给50万以上的富人争权益。
| d**n
发帖数: 3172 | 8 那你交的钱不是比税多了？你要赚50万以上，算我没说。
【在 z******a 的大作中提到】
: 孩子没学上参加补习班怎么样？或者索性上私利
: 否则有一种跟恐怖分子谈判的感觉。
: 不过大多数人最后恐怕还是要妥协。投鼠忌器，受制于人啊。没办法
| z******a
发帖数: 5381 | 9 50w 没见过那么多钱。
不过是非曲直，黑白善恶，岂能以升斗计？
【在 d**n 的大作中提到】
: 那你交的钱不是比税多了？你要赚50万以上，算我没说。
| d**n
发帖数: 3172 | 10 这个就看你是不是有拧为玉碎的精神了。我就这么实际，加州的学校已经够破的了。还
要再破下去吗？那些退休金要不要改革，当然要，可是你现在就这么多钱，法律固定你
要给人家退休金，你怎么办？只能砍能砍的地方了，最大的就是教育这块了，法律允许
学校上课天数可以砍。 | | | z******a
发帖数: 5381 | 11 如果从实际的角度出发，可以买好区房子，然后学校需要捐款肯定会跟你打招呼的。到
时候直接捐给学笑。本版早就讨论出结论来了。或者你还可以跟马克租客伯格住邻居。
到时候
他捐个多少多少million,你就搭顺风车即可。
【在 d**n 的大作中提到】
: 这个就看你是不是有拧为玉碎的精神了。我就这么实际，加州的学校已经够破的了。还
: 要再破下去吗？那些退休金要不要改革，当然要，可是你现在就这么多钱，法律固定你
: 要给人家退休金，你怎么办？只能砍能砍的地方了，最大的就是教育这块了，法律允许
: 学校上课天数可以砍。
| b*******e
发帖数: 724 | 12 30这个就是第一年保证会用在教育,后面就被POLITICIAN拿去放到GENERAL FUND里面瞎
花.我宁可直接捐给学校.看看CALTRAN最近的丑闻,BROWN跟别的政客一样无能,腐败. | z******a
发帖数: 5381 | 13 caltrain 有何丑闻？
【在 b*******e 的大作中提到】
: 30这个就是第一年保证会用在教育,后面就被POLITICIAN拿去放到GENERAL FUND里面瞎
: 花.我宁可直接捐给学校.看看CALTRAN最近的丑闻,BROWN跟别的政客一样无能,腐败.
| d**n
发帖数: 3172 | 14 就算你直接捐也没用，上课照样砍。而且老中捐款不行，喊得凶，还没老印捐的多。
【在 z******a 的大作中提到】
: 如果从实际的角度出发，可以买好区房子，然后学校需要捐款肯定会跟你打招呼的。到
: 时候直接捐给学笑。本版早就讨论出结论来了。或者你还可以跟马克租客伯格住邻居。
: 到时候
: 他捐个多少多少million,你就搭顺风车即可。
| c*****r
发帖数: 8227 | 15 真正搞教育基金，要从基层搞起。
多些Parcel Tax，我老一点儿不反对！
但是，休想让我自愿往大锅饭（联邦、州一级）添料！
NO on 30！
YES on 32！ | C****n
发帖数: 2324 | 16 说得太好了.
我穷的时候是共和党, 现在还是共和党.
你是民主党, 除非你根本就没打算翻身. 你现在没赚到50万, 等你将来有钱了, 怎么办?
如果你没打算翻身, 满足现状, 也当我没说.
不过大家还算理智, 没有投票把BILL GATES枪毙, 分了他的钱, 虽然大家基本都不可能
赚那么多钱.
【在 z******a 的大作中提到】
: 50w 没见过那么多钱。
: 不过是非曲直，黑白善恶，岂能以升斗计？
| C****n
发帖数: 2324 | 17 加州的学校破是钱不够的问题吗?
不量入为出, 交税只会让他们更贪, 学校更破.
我现在回国路上遇到乞丐已经不给钱了. 道理你自然知道. 和这边交税差不多.
【在 d**n 的大作中提到】
: 这个就看你是不是有拧为玉碎的精神了。我就这么实际，加州的学校已经够破的了。还
: 要再破下去吗？那些退休金要不要改革，当然要，可是你现在就这么多钱，法律固定你
: 要给人家退休金，你怎么办？只能砍能砍的地方了，最大的就是教育这块了，法律允许
: 学校上课天数可以砍。
| F*****y
发帖数: 100 | 18 其实加洲正渐渐走上欧洲的道路.税越来越高,政府开支越来越大,穷人懒人BASE越来越
大.最终富人逃走,政府破产,中产将因为正体的衰退而被CRUSH.但很多洲,甚至国家都在
朝这条路上走.原因很简单,剪UPPER MIDDLE CLASS跟比较有钱的人的羊毛太容易了.但
着些钱最终是养了贪官,养了懒人,真能TRICKLE DOWN到学校的钱根本不值得一提.NO TO
PROP 30. | k**l
发帖数: 2966 | 19 In Europe, at least college and medical are free. Don't know where did tax
in california went for.
TO
【在 F*****y 的大作中提到】
: 其实加洲正渐渐走上欧洲的道路.税越来越高,政府开支越来越大,穷人懒人BASE越来越
: 大.最终富人逃走,政府破产,中产将因为正体的衰退而被CRUSH.但很多洲,甚至国家都在
: 朝这条路上走.原因很简单,剪UPPER MIDDLE CLASS跟比较有钱的人的羊毛太容易了.但
: 着些钱最终是养了贪官,养了懒人,真能TRICKLE DOWN到学校的钱根本不值得一提.NO TO
: PROP 30.
| c*****r
发帖数: 8227 | 20 The most important single vote in America next Tuesday, after the
Presidential race, is Governor Jerry Brown's attempt to stick Californians
with another giant tax increase. Mr. Brown and his labor allies say
Proposition 30 will fix the state's budget deficit and ward off education
cuts. But the real choice before voters is whether to issue Sacramento's
incorrigible spendthrifts another blank check.
Two years ago the Governor staged a bow to democracy by pledging that he
wouldn't raise taxes without a vote of the people. The truth is he couldn't
pick off enough Republicans in the legislature for a tax increase without
delivering significant pension reforms, which government unions won't allow.
Thus the last-ditch resort to the ballot box.
The Brown-union plan includes a "millionaire's tax" that kicks in at $250,
000, three new income brackets for high earners and an increase in the top
rate to 13.3% from 10.3% for individuals and many small business owners
making more than $1 million. This would give California the highest income
tax in the country, leaping over Hawaii's 11%. Oh, and by the way, these
higher rates would be retroactive to this year.
Mr. Brown's initiative would also increase the state sales tax by a quarter-
of-a-cent to 7.5%, though this is principally to foster the illusion of "
balance," to quote the Zen-master Governor. The sales tax would generate
only about $1 billion of the $6 billion in new revenue that the Legislative
Analyst's Office projects for the tax increase.
As the Analyst cautions, due to huge swings in the investment incomes of top
earners and "the uncertainty of their responses to the rate increases, the
revenues raised by this measure are difficult to estimate."
No kidding.
Nearly everyone who has examined California's chronically unbalanced budget
has recommended flattening its steeply progressive tax code to create a more
stable revenue stream. Mr. Brown himself campaigned for President in 1992
as a flat-taxer. But Democrats in the legislature won't lower tax rates
because they love the revenue windfalls they get when times are good and
they can boost spending.
Then when markets crash, they can cry havoc and lobby for still-higher taxes
. That's what the teachers unions did as recently as 2008, claiming that
cuts that would have merely returned education spending to pre-bubble levels
would cripple schools. Caving to the union pressure, a handful of
Republican legislators in 2009 walked Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger's plank
and voted for a $13 billion sales and income tax increase. Schools received
less money over the next two years anyway—while spending on entitlements
and union retirement benefits grew.
Democrats are now back at the same stand. Mr. Brown has threatened to "
trigger" $5.9 billion in education cuts if his initiative fails, but he'd
make less than $100 million in other trims. How's that for balance?
Such "trigger cuts" could easily be re-configured with a modicum of
political will in Sacramento. Instead of slashing $500 million from higher
education, Democrats could kill their quixotic bullet train, which will cost
about $360 million this year alone in debt service, and chop $100 million
in tax credits to their Hollywood friends (who are bankrolling the tax
campaign).
Or they could restructure retirement benefits, which cost $6.5 billion this
year—up from about $1.4 billion in 1999. There's millions more to be found
in modifying current workers' pensions and retirees' cost-of-living
adjustments as nearly a dozen states have done. In Rhode Island such reforms
have cut the state's pension liability by half.
Barring such reforms, pension costs will continue to balloon and eat up all
new revenues. The California State Teachers' Retirement System has projected
that it will need between $3.5 billion to $10 billion annually over the
next 30 years to stay solvent. So any money allocated to schools will merely
backfill the teachers' pension fund.
Illinois's laboratory of kleptocracy provides an instructive lesson. In
January 2011 Democrats in Springfield raised the state's income tax by 67%
and corporate rate by 46%. Over the next eight months unemployment surged to
10.2% from 9.4%. So in December lawmakers handed out tax breaks to their
corporate friends who were threatening to flee to more business-friendly
states.
Springfield last year spent all $7 billion in new revenues on retirement
benefits and closed out the last fiscal year with another $8 billion deficit
. Lawmakers increased the cigarette tax in May to raise an additional $400
million for Medicaid. Meanwhile, Governor Pat Quinn is wondering why
lawmakers haven't moved on his pension reform plan.
The only way California can escape its recurring fiscal Frankenstorms is
through reform and economic growth. The former would stimulate the latter
while the Governor's tax initiative would squelch both. Raising taxes on
small business owners when one in five Californians is out of work or
employed part-time because he can't find a full-time job is the definition
of insanity.
Once more cash starts flowing to Sacramento, taxpayers can forget about
budget and regulatory reforms that the Governor has suggested are on his
agenda after the election. The only thing Democrats in Sacramento have
planned after November is more spending.
【在 k**l 的大作中提到】
: In Europe, at least college and medical are free. Don't know where did tax
: in california went for.
:
: TO
| e***s
发帖数: 609 | 21 There is where your money goes:
"Report: Enough Spent on Welfare Programs in 2011 to Write Every Poor
Household a $59,523 Check"
You put more, they wasted and corrupted more, and you deserve less. It is
endless. |
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