c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 1 可以印到T恤正脸上的那种
No SCA5, Stop SCA5, 简洁、明确、有力，是个很好的口号，但毕竟是个否定短语
"For a Better California","Fair California" 很多人喜欢，但稍显笼统,同样的还
有 "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"，政治正确没问题，但有种高入
云端的感觉
"Judge me not by my Skin"
"California has no place for racism"
"...but by the content of their character" 也都很好，稍显直白了点
明确、有力、含蓄、积极，还真是不好找 |
o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 2 Expand STEM programs in the UC
Expand STEM Education in California
More Upward Mobile Jobs for Californians
More STEM Education for Californians
Invest in the UC
Better California Through Win-Win
Win-Win for California
Win-Win for Californians
Win-Win for ALL Californians
etc. |
k****m
发帖数: 4670 | 3 就会假大空
和浑水摸鱼
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: Expand STEM programs in the UC
: Expand STEM Education in California
: More Upward Mobile Jobs for Californians
: More STEM Education for Californians
: Invest in the UC
: Better California Through Win-Win
: Win-Win for California
: Win-Win for Californians
: Win-Win for ALL Californians
: etc.
|
B***i
发帖数: 724 | 4 how about just the famous quote from Martin Luther King? |
o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 5 这也很好。 就是有点长。
不够“假大空”。。。
我好心帮忙。
kiptom也来点好料。
专门拆台，打击别人
算什么好汉？
【在 B***i 的大作中提到】
: how about just the famous quote from Martin Luther King?
|
y*****1
发帖数: 268 | 6 How about this one?
YES TO DIVERSITY
NO TO RACISM
NO TO SCA5
SCA5 can be highlited in red. I got this idea while reading a comment to
this issue. I think to fight for SCA5 we need to gain as many votes as
possible and don't narrow down to the Chinese or Asain coummnities self
benefit. Racism is good point to fight for. I will find that comment and
post here later. |
k****m
发帖数: 4670 | 7 我没有你有才华
博古通今
贯通中西
我啥时候拆台了？
你在拆，我在补呀
我啥时候打击人了？
是指和你理论
我不是好汉，就是一个屌丝
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: 这也很好。 就是有点长。
: 不够“假大空”。。。
: 我好心帮忙。
: kiptom也来点好料。
: 专门拆台，打击别人
: 算什么好汉？
|
y*****1
发帖数: 268 | 8 The comment was made to an article on LA times. I didn't see any comments to
the article anymore so couldn't get the name of the commenter, but I was
able to save a copy of the comment.
Diversity in higher education would certainly benefit everyone involved. It
enhances cultural exchange and improves mutual understandings among all
racial and ethnic groups. There are however many different ways to achieve
diversity. Using racial profiling in college admission is simply the worst
approach and is morally wrong and practically very dangerous. It creates
unfairness, sends wrong messages to the future generations and discriminates
all racial groups.
USA is an immigrant country. All immigrants come here for the great American
Dream, where "life should be better and richer and fuller for every man,
with opportunity for each according to his ability or achievement" (James
Adams). What's great about this country is that it provides a fair
competition ground for everybody to thrive. Undeniably, Asian as a group has
greatly benefited from the Prop 209. They achieved this by their years of
hard work not by racial discrimination. They should be the role models, not
scapegoats.
What the proposed SCA does is to tell the future generations that racial
profiling is OK, that hard work is not good enough and is also not necessary
for a successful life, that competition is not welcome in the state of
California. These are all wrong messages to our children.
The inherent assumption behind the SCA5 is that certain racial groups are
not as smart and competitive as the other racial groups. In a racial blind
fashion, the UC admits far more Asian students than other minority groups.
Let's correct this by injecting race back into the equation. Oh wait, isn't
this racial discrimination, is this? The result? Fear. Unnecessary fear
among Chinese and other Asian American. Unnecessary in the sense that such a
legislation should not have existed from the very beginning.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/commentary/la-oe-0307-ramakrishn |
o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 9 Great suggestion.
Unfortunately, diversity in this context
is a code for "racism".
So we need to figure out how to achieve
diversity without resorting to racism.
Expand UC admisions and STEM programs
are good way of win-win. but we still
can't prove that diversity will be achieved.
think about it. we are all trying to
help out.
【在 y*****1 的大作中提到】
: How about this one?
: YES TO DIVERSITY
: NO TO RACISM
: NO TO SCA5
: SCA5 can be highlited in red. I got this idea while reading a comment to
: this issue. I think to fight for SCA5 we need to gain as many votes as
: possible and don't narrow down to the Chinese or Asain coummnities self
: benefit. Racism is good point to fight for. I will find that comment and
: post here later.
|
k****m
发帖数: 4670 | 10 只要
NO TO RACISM
NO TO SCA5
或者SCA-5= RACISM in school
另一面用一个圆圈加斜杠，圈内是SCA-5
【在 y*****1 的大作中提到】
: How about this one?
: YES TO DIVERSITY
: NO TO RACISM
: NO TO SCA5
: SCA5 can be highlited in red. I got this idea while reading a comment to
: this issue. I think to fight for SCA5 we need to gain as many votes as
: possible and don't narrow down to the Chinese or Asain coummnities self
: benefit. Racism is good point to fight for. I will find that comment and
: post here later.
|
|
|
k****m
发帖数: 4670 | 11 画个大榔头标注为SCA-5
砸向 American Dream |
S**H
发帖数: 1256 | 12 how to upload pic here? |
k****m
发帖数: 4670 | 13 点击“回复”
点击“添加附件”
【在 S**H 的大作中提到】
: how to upload pic here?
|
S**H
发帖数: 1256 | 14 别人的老图. 我觉得很好.
最后那个 " NO SCA 5" 要 highlight 一下.
【在 B***i 的大作中提到】
: how about just the famous quote from Martin Luther King?
|
v*******e
发帖数: 11604 | 15 No Racism, No SCA-5
Fair, not racism CA |
o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 16 idea 挺好。 就是hammer
像是苏维埃的旗帜。 换成
大石头？
【在 k****m 的大作中提到】
: 画个大榔头标注为SCA-5
: 砸向 American Dream
|
k****m
发帖数: 4670 | 17 看看，说你知识渊博吧
要不用一只邪恶的大手，去撕裂美国梦？
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: idea 挺好。 就是hammer
: 像是苏维埃的旗帜。 换成
: 大石头？
|
h*********n
发帖数: 11319 | 18 下面是我为SD组织设计的海报。图片来自Open Domain，演讲原文属于“有版权但不限
制fair use”的材料。
本海报设计本身无版权，可自由使用修改。
【在 B***i 的大作中提到】
: how about just the famous quote from Martin Luther King?
|
B***L
发帖数: 37 | 19 这个不错，比较容易被各方人士接受。任何人都不容易反驳。 |
i*****0
发帖数: 1113 | 20 感觉T-shirt上应该简单明了同时touch the core of it，like this：
“Zero tolerance on Racial Discrimination of any form”
【在 c**l 的大作中提到】
: 可以印到T恤正脸上的那种
: No SCA5, Stop SCA5, 简洁、明确、有力，是个很好的口号，但毕竟是个否定短语
: "For a Better California","Fair California" 很多人喜欢，但稍显笼统,同样的还
: 有 "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"，政治正确没问题，但有种高入
: 云端的感觉
: "Judge me not by my Skin"
: "California has no place for racism"
: "...but by the content of their character" 也都很好，稍显直白了点
: 明确、有力、含蓄、积极，还真是不好找
|
|
|
o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 21 过奖了。。。 我放狗狗去搜的。。。
大手上写着”邪恶“！
【在 k****m 的大作中提到】
: 看看，说你知识渊博吧
: 要不用一只邪恶的大手，去撕裂美国梦？
|
k****m
发帖数: 4670 | 22 大手写上“skin color action -5”
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: 过奖了。。。 我放狗狗去搜的。。。
: 大手上写着”邪恶“！
|
x*********0
发帖数: 675 | 23 Californiasian deserve equal education |
c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 24 It creates unfairness, sends wrong messages to the future generations and
discriminates all racial groups.
这句好
to
It
discriminates
【在 y*****1 的大作中提到】
: The comment was made to an article on LA times. I didn't see any comments to
: the article anymore so couldn't get the name of the commenter, but I was
: able to save a copy of the comment.
: Diversity in higher education would certainly benefit everyone involved. It
: enhances cultural exchange and improves mutual understandings among all
: racial and ethnic groups. There are however many different ways to achieve
: diversity. Using racial profiling in college admission is simply the worst
: approach and is morally wrong and practically very dangerous. It creates
: unfairness, sends wrong messages to the future generations and discriminates
: all racial groups.
|
c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 25 第一张真好！
【在 h*********n 的大作中提到】
: 下面是我为SD组织设计的海报。图片来自Open Domain，演讲原文属于“有版权但不限
: 制fair use”的材料。
: 本海报设计本身无版权，可自由使用修改。
|
c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 26 看到Lint、yoyo 和其他人帖子里的不断出现的 for the future， 和Peter Kuo 的竞
选口号 Common Sense Solution for Californians，我想是不是突出 forward
thinking, for the future generation 这个主题，这样
1）政治正确，有一定高度，可以反SCA5,也可以反其他垃圾bill，一个武器震慑所有恶人
2）大家都想要better California,这个诉求跨越族裔,当你care about the future
generation的时候，就团结了大多数
3）咱们是草根组织，认死理儿、认common sense，撇开这个那个,其实基本的价值观“
hard work gets rewarded”,"人人平等" 是多么的简单的道理。谁开历史倒车往回走
咱们跟谁死磕
据此，这个怎么样？
Vote Forward
positive tone、简单、直白、有力、有高度、又抽象又点出了华人参政的关键，行动
起来，vote！有“let's go vote”的味道，也有“vote for the future”、“vote
to the forward direction of the history”的意思。而这个vote, 既可以是change.
org上的请愿，也可以是选区的投票，适用于所有有参与意愿的人。 |
p*****t
发帖数: 417 | 27 嗯，复杂问题简单化很需要技巧，follow your heart, vote forward 用杨坤的说法要
走心。
恶人
【在 c**l 的大作中提到】
: 看到Lint、yoyo 和其他人帖子里的不断出现的 for the future， 和Peter Kuo 的竞
: 选口号 Common Sense Solution for Californians，我想是不是突出 forward
: thinking, for the future generation 这个主题，这样
: 1）政治正确，有一定高度，可以反SCA5,也可以反其他垃圾bill，一个武器震慑所有恶人
: 2）大家都想要better California,这个诉求跨越族裔,当你care about the future
: generation的时候，就团结了大多数
: 3）咱们是草根组织，认死理儿、认common sense，撇开这个那个,其实基本的价值观“
: hard work gets rewarded”,"人人平等" 是多么的简单的道理。谁开历史倒车往回走
: 咱们跟谁死磕
: 据此，这个怎么样？
|
j*****3
发帖数: 654 | 28 Vote forward
是个非常好的slogan，但是河南的资之流完全可以说，sca-5就是vote forward，vote
40% of the latino youth forward？？？
恶人
【在 c**l 的大作中提到】
: 看到Lint、yoyo 和其他人帖子里的不断出现的 for the future， 和Peter Kuo 的竞
: 选口号 Common Sense Solution for Californians，我想是不是突出 forward
: thinking, for the future generation 这个主题，这样
: 1）政治正确，有一定高度，可以反SCA5,也可以反其他垃圾bill，一个武器震慑所有恶人
: 2）大家都想要better California,这个诉求跨越族裔,当你care about the future
: generation的时候，就团结了大多数
: 3）咱们是草根组织，认死理儿、认common sense，撇开这个那个,其实基本的价值观“
: hard work gets rewarded”,"人人平等" 是多么的简单的道理。谁开历史倒车往回走
: 咱们跟谁死磕
: 据此，这个怎么样？
|
n*****g
发帖数: 626 | 29 How about --
Prop 209, Just Fine!
Red/Blue/White, No SCA5! |
c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 30 他如果这么解释显然站不住脚，见不得光
vote
【在 j*****3 的大作中提到】
: Vote forward
: 是个非常好的slogan，但是河南的资之流完全可以说，sca-5就是vote forward，vote
: 40% of the latino youth forward？？？
:
: 恶人
|
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c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 31 我想的是最好不出现具体的条款，这样时效性强，不仅能反SCA5，还能反SCA6/SCA7...
【在 n*****g 的大作中提到】
: How about --
: Prop 209, Just Fine!
: Red/Blue/White, No SCA5!
|
j*****3
发帖数: 654 | 32 Option #1:
正面：Equal Opportunity
反面：Don't Judge Me on my skin color
Option #2:
正面：Yes Prop 209
反面：Ban Racial Discrimination
The rationale is, the only way to effectively and completely ban racial
discrimination is to NOT consider racial facts when making a decision, ever.
The minute you start to consider race, you are effectively judging someone
on things he himself cannot change and has no control over, thus deny him an
equal opportunity and unconstitutional.
Also it's more powerful and less sensitive to say YES on Pro-prop209, than
to say NO sca-5 (which can be provoking to some ethnicity group), especially
when sca-5 can come back with a different name. |
j*****3
发帖数: 654 | 33 SCA-5的核心就是anti-prop 209，209已经是宪法的一部分了，不可能再改头换面，到
是sca5/6/7，名字再变，anti-prop 209的实质不变
..
【在 c**l 的大作中提到】
: 我想的是最好不出现具体的条款，这样时效性强，不仅能反SCA5，还能反SCA6/SCA7...
|
c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 34 Also it's more powerful and less sensitive to say YES on Pro-prop209, than
to say NO sca-5
很好！
ever.
someone
an
【在 j*****3 的大作中提到】
: Option #1:
: 正面：Equal Opportunity
: 反面：Don't Judge Me on my skin color
: Option #2:
: 正面：Yes Prop 209
: 反面：Ban Racial Discrimination
: The rationale is, the only way to effectively and completely ban racial
: discrimination is to NOT consider racial facts when making a decision, ever.
: The minute you start to consider race, you are effectively judging someone
: on things he himself cannot change and has no control over, thus deny him an
|
o*********e
发帖数: 138 | 35 正面: Equal Opportunity for all kids, regardless of race!
反面: No "Affirmative Action", No "Skin Colr Act 5"
正面的内容反映出我们的诉求是公平正义
反面把SCA5实质是加州的AA联系起来, 同时争取白人选民的共鸣. |
j*****3
发帖数: 654 | 36 最好不要直接提AA，不然打击面太大，很多不明真相的群众脑子里
AA = anti-discrimination = good
何必给他们脑子里拉警报，让别人有机会给我们扣帽子。
有头脑自然看得出prop 209就是反AA，如果别有用心的人明着问，我们是不是反AA，我
们大可以反问，什么是AA，为什么要有aa，如果他说AA反歧视，就跟他说完全不看种族
才是彻底地反歧视；如果他说是为了补偿历史上被歧视的种族的good discrimination,
or racial favorite，就跟他科普历史上的排华提案，说我们也深受歧视之苦，我们
也要求racial favorite....
【在 o*********e 的大作中提到】
: 正面: Equal Opportunity for all kids, regardless of race!
: 反面: No "Affirmative Action", No "Skin Colr Act 5"
: 正面的内容反映出我们的诉求是公平正义
: 反面把SCA5实质是加州的AA联系起来, 同时争取白人选民的共鸣.
|
o*********e
发帖数: 138 | 37 这个值得思考和讨论.
我倒是觉得AA在广大美国人民群众中已经臭名昭著了. AA就是逆向种族歧视. 只有民主
党棍们才把AA当作所谓"平权". 我们要反的不仅是加州公立的SCA5, 也包括全国范围高
校的AA. 一视同仁, 名正言顺. 这样才能团结大多数人.
discrimination,
【在 j*****3 的大作中提到】
: 最好不要直接提AA，不然打击面太大，很多不明真相的群众脑子里
: AA = anti-discrimination = good
: 何必给他们脑子里拉警报，让别人有机会给我们扣帽子。
: 有头脑自然看得出prop 209就是反AA，如果别有用心的人明着问，我们是不是反AA，我
: 们大可以反问，什么是AA，为什么要有aa，如果他说AA反歧视，就跟他说完全不看种族
: 才是彻底地反歧视；如果他说是为了补偿历史上被歧视的种族的good discrimination,
: or racial favorite，就跟他科普历史上的排华提案，说我们也深受歧视之苦，我们
: 也要求racial favorite....
|
m**i
发帖数: 650 | 38
【在 c**l 的大作中提到】
: 可以印到T恤正脸上的那种
: No SCA5, Stop SCA5, 简洁、明确、有力，是个很好的口号，但毕竟是个否定短语
: "For a Better California","Fair California" 很多人喜欢，但稍显笼统,同样的还
: 有 "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"，政治正确没问题，但有种高入
: 云端的感觉
: "Judge me not by my Skin"
: "California has no place for racism"
: "...but by the content of their character" 也都很好，稍显直白了点
: 明确、有力、含蓄、积极，还真是不好找
|
c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 39 有点儿担心Vote Forward会不会太生僻，上网搜了下，居然有人2012用过了，还是民主
党。
我觉得应该不是坏事儿，就象咱们的投票是在change.org一样，别人用过的词儿咱们可
以给他赋予新的生命。
这个确实是自己拍脑袋想出来的，来自于Come Forward, Vote! 和 Vote for the
Future.
恶人
【在 c**l 的大作中提到】
: 看到Lint、yoyo 和其他人帖子里的不断出现的 for the future， 和Peter Kuo 的竞
: 选口号 Common Sense Solution for Californians，我想是不是突出 forward
: thinking, for the future generation 这个主题，这样
: 1）政治正确，有一定高度，可以反SCA5,也可以反其他垃圾bill，一个武器震慑所有恶人
: 2）大家都想要better California,这个诉求跨越族裔,当你care about the future
: generation的时候，就团结了大多数
: 3）咱们是草根组织，认死理儿、认common sense，撇开这个那个,其实基本的价值观“
: hard work gets rewarded”,"人人平等" 是多么的简单的道理。谁开历史倒车往回走
: 咱们跟谁死磕
: 据此，这个怎么样？
|
m********8
发帖数: 7463 | 40 就是。都是说了跟没说一样的咚咚
【在 k****m 的大作中提到】
: 就会假大空
: 和浑水摸鱼
|
