a*********r
发帖数: 139 | 1 Personally, I think butterfly is the most strenuous stroke. Butterfly
requires tremedous energy from swimmers. I was wondering how can
recreational swimmers like us swim a quality butterfly over a long distance
like 100 m or 200 m. I saw lots of people's butterfly becomes survival or
struggling butterfly during the last 25 of 100m. Any suggestion for getting
stamina in butterfly.
Also, how many strokes take you need to swim 25 (no diving)? My current
stroke count is about 8-9. |
j***y
发帖数: 5098 | 2 我来抛砖引玉吧，
很多人游不了长蝶不是耐力问题,而是技术问题.在技术动作正确的情况下，如果你能游
1k自，你同样可以游1k蝶。
如果你觉得自己游蝶泳很吃力，多数情况是你的胳膊发力太多，甚至可能你头部出水是
靠手臂压水来完成的。一个人即使耐力再好，手臂的力量和耐力也毕竟有限，靠手臂产
生动力和出水也一定不能持久。
我建议你从蝶泳腿开始好好练，感受从腹部开始发力，带动大腿、小腿，整个一个鞭打
的动作。手臂的动作跟自一样，在出水，入水，报水的时候放松，而只是在推水的那一
下，通过肩部的发力，产生加速度。
btw，我只是一个理论家，蝶泳也只能游50m
distance
getting
【在 a*********r 的大作中提到】
: Personally, I think butterfly is the most strenuous stroke. Butterfly
: requires tremedous energy from swimmers. I was wondering how can
: recreational swimmers like us swim a quality butterfly over a long distance
: like 100 m or 200 m. I saw lots of people's butterfly becomes survival or
: struggling butterfly during the last 25 of 100m. Any suggestion for getting
: stamina in butterfly.
: Also, how many strokes take you need to swim 25 (no diving)? My current
: stroke count is about 8-9.
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r****r
发帖数: 6957 | 3 re这个。技术是主要决定力量。蝶泳的节奏和手脚配合非常重要。我曾经有个师兄主项
是蝶泳，他无论游得最快还是最远都是蝶泳。一般我们连4x100自由泳接力都是他头棒
，一跳下去一堆爬泳中就这老兄双臂翻飞，非常吸引大家尤其是小姑娘的注意力和尖叫
声，呵呵
【在 j***y 的大作中提到】
: 我来抛砖引玉吧，
: 很多人游不了长蝶不是耐力问题,而是技术问题.在技术动作正确的情况下，如果你能游
: 1k自，你同样可以游1k蝶。
: 如果你觉得自己游蝶泳很吃力，多数情况是你的胳膊发力太多，甚至可能你头部出水是
: 靠手臂压水来完成的。一个人即使耐力再好，手臂的力量和耐力也毕竟有限，靠手臂产
: 生动力和出水也一定不能持久。
: 我建议你从蝶泳腿开始好好练，感受从腹部开始发力，带动大腿、小腿，整个一个鞭打
: 的动作。手臂的动作跟自一样，在出水，入水，报水的时候放松，而只是在推水的那一
: 下，通过肩部的发力，产生加速度。
: btw，我只是一个理论家，蝶泳也只能游50m
|
p*5
发帖数: 16204 | 4 I doubt anyone can fly faster and longer than his freestyle.
If that is the case, his freestyle needs serious improvement.
【在 r****r 的大作中提到】
: re这个。技术是主要决定力量。蝶泳的节奏和手脚配合非常重要。我曾经有个师兄主项
: 是蝶泳，他无论游得最快还是最远都是蝶泳。一般我们连4x100自由泳接力都是他头棒
: ，一跳下去一堆爬泳中就这老兄双臂翻飞，非常吸引大家尤其是小姑娘的注意力和尖叫
: 声，呵呵
|
M*****t
发帖数: 26706 | 5 怎么改英文了？
顺便同意一下。自游泳是最自然最省力的游泳方式，嗯。
【在 p*5 的大作中提到】
: I doubt anyone can fly faster and longer than his freestyle.
: If that is the case, his freestyle needs serious improvement.
|
e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 6 "如果你能游1k自，你同样可以游1k蝶。", first time in my life to heard this.
Interesting interpretation.
Should be 如果你能游1k蝶，你同样可以游1k自。 No guys can cum continuously
for
100 rounds without any rest/interval.
【在 j***y 的大作中提到】
: 我来抛砖引玉吧，
: 很多人游不了长蝶不是耐力问题,而是技术问题.在技术动作正确的情况下，如果你能游
: 1k自，你同样可以游1k蝶。
: 如果你觉得自己游蝶泳很吃力，多数情况是你的胳膊发力太多，甚至可能你头部出水是
: 靠手臂压水来完成的。一个人即使耐力再好，手臂的力量和耐力也毕竟有限，靠手臂产
: 生动力和出水也一定不能持久。
: 我建议你从蝶泳腿开始好好练，感受从腹部开始发力，带动大腿、小腿，整个一个鞭打
: 的动作。手臂的动作跟自一样，在出水，入水，报水的时候放松，而只是在推水的那一
: 下，通过肩部的发力，产生加速度。
: btw，我只是一个理论家，蝶泳也只能游50m
|
e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 7 "常吸引大家尤其是小姑娘的注意力和尖叫声" is the key.
By the way,your senior fellow fly in "4x100自由泳接力" or 4x100IM?
If he "双臂翻飞", then he won't last long.
【在 r****r 的大作中提到】
: re这个。技术是主要决定力量。蝶泳的节奏和手脚配合非常重要。我曾经有个师兄主项
: 是蝶泳，他无论游得最快还是最远都是蝶泳。一般我们连4x100自由泳接力都是他头棒
: ，一跳下去一堆爬泳中就这老兄双臂翻飞，非常吸引大家尤其是小姑娘的注意力和尖叫
: 声，呵呵
|
e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 8 Same guy, fly might be faster than free. but should be very rare and
denpend on distance.
World record to record, fly stand no chance.
【在 p*5 的大作中提到】
: I doubt anyone can fly faster and longer than his freestyle.
: If that is the case, his freestyle needs serious improvement.
|
e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 9 The major barrier:
1. breath pattern
2. core strength
3. muscle flexibility
4. limb and core muscle coordination.
Each thing takes a least 1 -5 year to develop. The younger age to
start, the prettier fly to be.
Never simplify butterfly as something that you can do a cheap shot to
master, no way.
Butterfly
distance
survival or
getting
current
【在 a*********r 的大作中提到】
: Personally, I think butterfly is the most strenuous stroke. Butterfly
: requires tremedous energy from swimmers. I was wondering how can
: recreational swimmers like us swim a quality butterfly over a long distance
: like 100 m or 200 m. I saw lots of people's butterfly becomes survival or
: struggling butterfly during the last 25 of 100m. Any suggestion for getting
: stamina in butterfly.
: Also, how many strokes take you need to swim 25 (no diving)? My current
: stroke count is about 8-9.
|
p*5
发帖数: 16204 | 10 上班输入中文太麻烦。。得一个字一个字在网站上敲。
【在 M*****t 的大作中提到】
: 怎么改英文了？
: 顺便同意一下。自游泳是最自然最省力的游泳方式，嗯。
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e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 11 25 yards
For guy, 7-8
For girl, 8-9
50M for phelps, 18 strokes, timing should be #of strokes + 10. In his
case, 28s for 50M.
It took Ian Crocker 4 strokes to get to the wall no matter what lap he
is in, but it took NCAA final girls 9-10 strokes to get to the wall
after the first lap.
It also depend on how many underwater dolphin kicks you do before you
break out, the more you kick, the less stroke you would take. Sometimes
it takes me same number of strokes as Ian Crocker to get to the wall
for
【在 a*********r 的大作中提到】
: Personally, I think butterfly is the most strenuous stroke. Butterfly
: requires tremedous energy from swimmers. I was wondering how can
: recreational swimmers like us swim a quality butterfly over a long distance
: like 100 m or 200 m. I saw lots of people's butterfly becomes survival or
: struggling butterfly during the last 25 of 100m. Any suggestion for getting
: stamina in butterfly.
: Also, how many strokes take you need to swim 25 (no diving)? My current
: stroke count is about 8-9.
|
p*5
发帖数: 16204 | 12 同学我们这里对用词有审查制度的。
【在 e*******e 的大作中提到】
: "如果你能游1k自，你同样可以游1k蝶。", first time in my life to heard this.
: Interesting interpretation.
: Should be 如果你能游1k蝶，你同样可以游1k自。 No guys can cum continuously
: for
: 100 rounds without any rest/interval.
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e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 13 I can't use a better citation than this to support my point.
My bad, You can take it off if you think there would be
minors/underages kids on this forum.
【在 p*5 的大作中提到】
: 同学我们这里对用词有审查制度的。
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c**A
发帖数: 1474 | 14 去年回国在东单见过一个猛地.
大概不停的碟了3000米的样子.
不过很慢...
【在 e*******e 的大作中提到】
: "如果你能游1k自，你同样可以游1k蝶。", first time in my life to heard this.
: Interesting interpretation.
: Should be 如果你能游1k蝶，你同样可以游1k自。 No guys can cum continuously
: for
: 100 rounds without any rest/interval.
|
r****r
发帖数: 6957 | 15 他爬泳比蝶泳速度稍慢。这也是我所仅见的一个怪胎
【在 p*5 的大作中提到】
: I doubt anyone can fly faster and longer than his freestyle.
: If that is the case, his freestyle needs serious improvement.
|
r****r
发帖数: 6957 | 16 为什么he won't last long？他100m的成绩我记不大清楚了，但怎么也是1'10"以内；
50m好像是28"多，比我爬泳稍慢，所以我印象很深
【在 e*******e 的大作中提到】
: "常吸引大家尤其是小姑娘的注意力和尖叫声" is the key.
: By the way,your senior fellow fly in "4x100自由泳接力" or 4x100IM?
: If he "双臂翻飞", then he won't last long.
|
m******r
发帖数: 9604 | 17 breaststroke faster and longer than freestyle的人泪流满面
【在 p*5 的大作中提到】
: I doubt anyone can fly faster and longer than his freestyle.
: If that is the case, his freestyle needs serious improvement.
|
e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 18 Looks like he just did not want to share the lane with other people.
【在 c**A 的大作中提到】
: 去年回国在东单见过一个猛地.
: 大概不停的碟了3000米的样子.
: 不过很慢...
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c**A
发帖数: 1474 | 19 还好, 他动作不是很大.
而且国内游的快的人不多见..
【在 e*******e 的大作中提到】
: Looks like he just did not want to share the lane with other people.
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