d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 1 这周末又去foxwoods玩了12小时的一个session,屁股没挪,桌上不时的有super donk
表演,但是全程card dead,大约一小时玩个3到4手牌,开始high cards lead/cbet总
有人raise,后我索性NIT了,因为有donk和cs舍不得换桌,好不容易aces with 5 ways
preflop shove,被tt set了,再然后哭丧着脸继续NIT,直到最后丢完几个buyin,黯
然回家。
求建议。。。。 |
G********r 发帖数: 666 | 2 nothing we can do, really... I'll post my unbelievable beats this weekend
later. |
W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 3 输得起就继续玩, 输不起就quit.
这周末又去foxwoods玩了12小时的一个session,屁股没挪,桌上不时的有super donk
表演,但是全程card dead,大约一小时玩个3到4手牌,开始high ........
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.28
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】 : 这周末又去foxwoods玩了12小时的一个session,屁股没挪,桌上不时的有super donk : 表演,但是全程card dead,大约一小时玩个3到4手牌,开始high cards lead/cbet总 : 有人raise,后我索性NIT了,因为有donk和cs舍不得换桌,好不容易aces with 5 ways : preflop shove,被tt set了,再然后哭丧着脸继续NIT,直到最后丢完几个buyin,黯 : 然回家。 : 求建议。。。。
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p****r 发帖数: 9164 | 6 dude, for live game, never sit down more than 4 hours w/o taking a break.
There is always fish there but our mind might get tired and can not
make the best decision. You should take more break when you are losing since you
get somewhat frustrated.
Suggest the book named " element of poker" , recommended by Phil Galfond.
It talks a lot about taking break, quiting etc.
GL@tables
donk
ways
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】 : 这周末又去foxwoods玩了12小时的一个session,屁股没挪,桌上不时的有super donk : 表演,但是全程card dead,大约一小时玩个3到4手牌,开始high cards lead/cbet总 : 有人raise,后我索性NIT了,因为有donk和cs舍不得换桌,好不容易aces with 5 ways : preflop shove,被tt set了,再然后哭丧着脸继续NIT,直到最后丢完几个buyin,黯 : 然回家。 : 求建议。。。。
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l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 7 haha... you really like that book, don't you? I've seen you recommending it
everywhere and to everybody. I guess I need to go back to read it one more
time.
Galfond.
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】 : dude, for live game, never sit down more than 4 hours w/o taking a break. : : There is always fish there but our mind might get tired and can not : make the best decision. You should take more break when you are losing since you : get somewhat frustrated. : Suggest the book named " element of poker" , recommended by Phil Galfond. : It talks a lot about taking break, quiting etc. : GL@tables : : donk
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p****r 发帖数: 9164 | 8 lol. The author is not famous at all and the book is not about how to play
poker.
It talks a lot about the overall management outside poker, which we do
not pay enough attention, like taking break, quitting, tilt control etc. I
do not see many books on this subject.
it
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】 : haha... you really like that book, don't you? I've seen you recommending it : everywhere and to everybody. I guess I need to go back to read it one more : time. : : : Galfond.
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p****r 发帖数: 9164 | 9 BTW, I do not get any commission for recommending that book. :P
it
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】 : haha... you really like that book, don't you? I've seen you recommending it : everywhere and to everybody. I guess I need to go back to read it one more : time. : : : Galfond.
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l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 10 The Poker Mindset talks about the same things as that one. There are a lot
of books that deal with emotional control, money management, and other
things too. Poker strategy is just one part of poker. However, I agree with
you that The Elements of Poker is a good book. I started to realized that
after I read it second time.
play
do
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】 : BTW, I do not get any commission for recommending that book. :P : : it
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 11 Phil Galfond is not famous at all? 老大,you are kidding me, right?
appreciate it very much, bro!! |
l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 12 He was talking about the author, not the one who recommended it.
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】 : Phil Galfond is not famous at all? 老大,you are kidding me, right? : appreciate it very much, bro!!
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p****r 发帖数: 9164 | 13 it is not written by Phil G. He just recommends that book. I agree with
him that it is not a good idea to read a lot of poker book.
The aurhor is Phil.G's mental coach though.
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】 : Phil Galfond is not famous at all? 老大,you are kidding me, right? : appreciate it very much, bro!!
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s*********r 发帖数: 4210 | 14 who has this book in pdf version? can I borrow from anyone? 最近,比较空,正
好在去LV自前,饿补一下。 谢了。 |
l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 15 Amazon 上买很便宜的,可以买本旧的。
【在 s*********r 的大作中提到】 : who has this book in pdf version? can I borrow from anyone? 最近,比较空,正 : 好在去LV自前,饿补一下。 谢了。
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 16 建议平常心,不要太较真,把输钱的时候当作是看电影一样的娱乐消费掉了,出去旅游
一趟还动不动上千,好几千,是不?
否则就是和自己过不去。作为业余live选手,俺们不可能从量上大幅提高,要说
badbeats轻松面对,也是假话。咱跑一趟,坐半天,多少还是有些期望值的,真一盆冷
水浇头上,郁闷不可避免。要听?出门听那群抽烟的,个个都在抱怨驴多蠢,自己多背
,一年365天,哪天都不少。周而复始,唠唠叨叨,廉价同情。
此外,别指望稳定赢钱,咱没那么大的edge,可以轻易抵消swings。这东西就是一个智
力游戏,99.99%的人都发不了财的,即使是小财。
桌子不理想就换,毛驴未必是你今天的晚饭,象俺周末碰见的韩国人,俺是真想啃它几
口,可是桌子换了几个人,风头变了,从风格和相对position来讲,俺都没有胜算卷进
去,cash out开路就是了,打个几小时,其实驴也知道咱几分,没那么蠢。
不tilt脑袋热掉,再进去3 buy-ins,就是进步,回家,就象看电影也不都是喜剧或者
咱想看的结局。
donk
ways
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】 : 这周末又去foxwoods玩了12小时的一个session,屁股没挪,桌上不时的有super donk : 表演,但是全程card dead,大约一小时玩个3到4手牌,开始high cards lead/cbet总 : 有人raise,后我索性NIT了,因为有donk和cs舍不得换桌,好不容易aces with 5 ways : preflop shove,被tt set了,再然后哭丧着脸继续NIT,直到最后丢完几个buyin,黯 : 然回家。 : 求建议。。。。
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 17 if you are losing overall and unable to enjoy the game, I strongly suggest
you to quit. It is like drug addict after the initial excitement. You will
be only left with regrets and suffering. Enjoy playing or have some
financial gain, I think you need to have at least one to continue. |
d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 18 谢谢老大们 偶这不是想要多听听老大们的经验么 其实没那么depressed。故意赚眼球
骗眼泪而已 呵呵
对偶来说 输钱固然郁闷 但是比起打错牌送钱或者lose value 好多了
再有,个性问题,做事太投入,like mm老师说的,确实enjoy playing,并且也在不断
的积累经验,慢慢消leaks,这也要谢谢黎叔长期以来对偶们home game毫不留情的榨钱
啊 ~_~!
顺便问下,高手们一般带几个buyin去玩1/2,我虽然带着银行卡,但是当输到一两个
buyin后,不自觉的就会有play scared money的阴影,求经验分享 |
s*********f 发帖数: 155 | 19 Live poker is tough because of the large swing even at the lowest limit.
You got to know what your edge is if you want to win. E.g., you are relaxed,
while your opponents are on tilt. You are paying attention and reading your
opponent, while they are not. You know the odds, while they don't. etc.
Table selection is crucial. You only have an edge if your opponents play
worse than you. Even then, you expect to win over large number of hands, not
necessarily in a few hands played in 10 hours.
There is a book called psychology of poker, which might be helpful. It helps
you realize why you are playing poker.
It would be best if you are playing for entertainment with disposable income
you can afford to lose. Even then, it is critical to implement good money
management. As iin investment, you got to have a stop loss so you know
before hand how much you are going to lose in the worse case scenario.
donk
ways
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】 : 这周末又去foxwoods玩了12小时的一个session,屁股没挪,桌上不时的有super donk : 表演,但是全程card dead,大约一小时玩个3到4手牌,开始high cards lead/cbet总 : 有人raise,后我索性NIT了,因为有donk和cs舍不得换桌,好不容易aces with 5 ways : preflop shove,被tt set了,再然后哭丧着脸继续NIT,直到最后丢完几个buyin,黯 : 然回家。 : 求建议。。。。
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p****r 发帖数: 9164 | 20
Usually carry 3-4 buyin. Most ppl would be somewhat on tilt after losin 4
buyin, at least I would, so best +EV option is to quit and come back another
day.
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】 : 谢谢老大们 偶这不是想要多听听老大们的经验么 其实没那么depressed。故意赚眼球 : 骗眼泪而已 呵呵 : 对偶来说 输钱固然郁闷 但是比起打错牌送钱或者lose value 好多了 : 再有,个性问题,做事太投入,like mm老师说的,确实enjoy playing,并且也在不断 : 的积累经验,慢慢消leaks,这也要谢谢黎叔长期以来对偶们home game毫不留情的榨钱 : 啊 ~_~! : 顺便问下,高手们一般带几个buyin去玩1/2,我虽然带着银行卡,但是当输到一两个 : buyin后,不自觉的就会有play scared money的阴影,求经验分享
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 21 德艺双馨
relaxed,
your
not
helps
income
【在 s*********f 的大作中提到】 : Live poker is tough because of the large swing even at the lowest limit. : You got to know what your edge is if you want to win. E.g., you are relaxed, : while your opponents are on tilt. You are paying attention and reading your : opponent, while they are not. You know the odds, while they don't. etc. : Table selection is crucial. You only have an edge if your opponents play : worse than you. Even then, you expect to win over large number of hands, not : necessarily in a few hands played in 10 hours. : There is a book called psychology of poker, which might be helpful. It helps : you realize why you are playing poker. : It would be best if you are playing for entertainment with disposable income
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 22 5 buy-ins are normal, or 1K for me (i only do 100BB each). doesn't mean we
plan to lose all in the worse case, but a lot of times, we'll have to deal
with situations like 1 quick buy-in loss and then card dead for hours or
even 2nd buy-in down.
if i lose about 3 buy-ins, i'd leave since i know it will need some sort of
miracles to fill this hole at such low stake.
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】 : 谢谢老大们 偶这不是想要多听听老大们的经验么 其实没那么depressed。故意赚眼球 : 骗眼泪而已 呵呵 : 对偶来说 输钱固然郁闷 但是比起打错牌送钱或者lose value 好多了 : 再有,个性问题,做事太投入,like mm老师说的,确实enjoy playing,并且也在不断 : 的积累经验,慢慢消leaks,这也要谢谢黎叔长期以来对偶们home game毫不留情的榨钱 : 啊 ~_~! : 顺便问下,高手们一般带几个buyin去玩1/2,我虽然带着银行卡,但是当输到一两个 : buyin后,不自觉的就会有play scared money的阴影,求经验分享
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D*A 发帖数: 1169 | 23 的确,要想玩的松点,有发挥余地,500 BB buy in is necessary.
而且,长期玩poker,需要大概3000-5000个BB
有人提过“深筹码是Poker的全部”,有一定道理
of
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】 : 5 buy-ins are normal, or 1K for me (i only do 100BB each). doesn't mean we : plan to lose all in the worse case, but a lot of times, we'll have to deal : with situations like 1 quick buy-in loss and then card dead for hours or : even 2nd buy-in down. : if i lose about 3 buy-ins, i'd leave since i know it will need some sort of : miracles to fill this hole at such low stake.
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 24 这周末又去foxwoods玩了12小时的一个session,屁股没挪,桌上不时的有super donk
表演,但是全程card dead,大约一小时玩个3到4手牌,开始high cards lead/cbet总
有人raise,后我索性NIT了,因为有donk和cs舍不得换桌,好不容易aces with 5 ways
preflop shove,被tt set了,再然后哭丧着脸继续NIT,直到最后丢完几个buyin,黯
然回家。
求建议。。。。 |
G********r 发帖数: 666 | 25 nothing we can do, really... I'll post my unbelievable beats this weekend
later. |
W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 26 输得起就继续玩, 输不起就quit.
这周末又去foxwoods玩了12小时的一个session,屁股没挪,桌上不时的有super donk
表演,但是全程card dead,大约一小时玩个3到4手牌,开始high ........
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.28
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】 : 这周末又去foxwoods玩了12小时的一个session,屁股没挪,桌上不时的有super donk : 表演,但是全程card dead,大约一小时玩个3到4手牌,开始high cards lead/cbet总 : 有人raise,后我索性NIT了,因为有donk和cs舍不得换桌,好不容易aces with 5 ways : preflop shove,被tt set了,再然后哭丧着脸继续NIT,直到最后丢完几个buyin,黯 : 然回家。 : 求建议。。。。
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | |
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p****r 发帖数: 9164 | 29 dude, for live game, never sit down more than 4 hours w/o taking a break.
There is always fish there but our mind might get tired and can not
make the best decision. You should take more break when you are losing since you
get somewhat frustrated.
Suggest the book named " element of poker" , recommended by Phil Galfond.
It talks a lot about taking break, quiting etc.
GL@tables
donk
ways
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】 : 这周末又去foxwoods玩了12小时的一个session,屁股没挪,桌上不时的有super donk : 表演,但是全程card dead,大约一小时玩个3到4手牌,开始high cards lead/cbet总 : 有人raise,后我索性NIT了,因为有donk和cs舍不得换桌,好不容易aces with 5 ways : preflop shove,被tt set了,再然后哭丧着脸继续NIT,直到最后丢完几个buyin,黯 : 然回家。 : 求建议。。。。
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l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 30 haha... you really like that book, don't you? I've seen you recommending it
everywhere and to everybody. I guess I need to go back to read it one more
time.
Galfond.
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】 : dude, for live game, never sit down more than 4 hours w/o taking a break. : : There is always fish there but our mind might get tired and can not : make the best decision. You should take more break when you are losing since you : get somewhat frustrated. : Suggest the book named " element of poker" , recommended by Phil Galfond. : It talks a lot about taking break, quiting etc. : GL@tables : : donk
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p****r 发帖数: 9164 | 31 lol. The author is not famous at all and the book is not about how to play
poker.
It talks a lot about the overall management outside poker, which we do
not pay enough attention, like taking break, quitting, tilt control etc. I
do not see many books on this subject.
it
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】 : haha... you really like that book, don't you? I've seen you recommending it : everywhere and to everybody. I guess I need to go back to read it one more : time. : : : Galfond.
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p****r 发帖数: 9164 | 32 BTW, I do not get any commission for recommending that book. :P
it
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】 : haha... you really like that book, don't you? I've seen you recommending it : everywhere and to everybody. I guess I need to go back to read it one more : time. : : : Galfond.
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l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 33 The Poker Mindset talks about the same things as that one. There are a lot
of books that deal with emotional control, money management, and other
things too. Poker strategy is just one part of poker. However, I agree with
you that The Elements of Poker is a good book. I started to realized that
after I read it second time.
play
do
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】 : BTW, I do not get any commission for recommending that book. :P : : it
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 34 Phil Galfond is not famous at all? 老大,you are kidding me, right?
appreciate it very much, bro!! |
l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 35 He was talking about the author, not the one who recommended it.
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】 : Phil Galfond is not famous at all? 老大,you are kidding me, right? : appreciate it very much, bro!!
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p****r 发帖数: 9164 | 36 it is not written by Phil G. He just recommends that book. I agree with
him that it is not a good idea to read a lot of poker book.
The aurhor is Phil.G's mental coach though.
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】 : Phil Galfond is not famous at all? 老大,you are kidding me, right? : appreciate it very much, bro!!
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s*********r 发帖数: 4210 | 37 who has this book in pdf version? can I borrow from anyone? 最近,比较空,正
好在去LV自前,饿补一下。 谢了。 |
l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 38 Amazon 上买很便宜的,可以买本旧的。
【在 s*********r 的大作中提到】 : who has this book in pdf version? can I borrow from anyone? 最近,比较空,正 : 好在去LV自前,饿补一下。 谢了。
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 39 建议平常心,不要太较真,把输钱的时候当作是看电影一样的娱乐消费掉了,出去旅游
一趟还动不动上千,好几千,是不?
否则就是和自己过不去。作为业余live选手,俺们不可能从量上大幅提高,要说
badbeats轻松面对,也是假话。咱跑一趟,坐半天,多少还是有些期望值的,真一盆冷
水浇头上,郁闷不可避免。要听?出门听那群抽烟的,个个都在抱怨驴多蠢,自己多背
,一年365天,哪天都不少。周而复始,唠唠叨叨,廉价同情。
此外,别指望稳定赢钱,咱没那么大的edge,可以轻易抵消swings。这东西就是一个智
力游戏,99.99%的人都发不了财的,即使是小财。
桌子不理想就换,毛驴未必是你今天的晚饭,象俺周末碰见的韩国人,俺是真想啃它几
口,可是桌子换了几个人,风头变了,从风格和相对position来讲,俺都没有胜算卷进
去,cash out开路就是了,打个几小时,其实驴也知道咱几分,没那么蠢。
不tilt脑袋热掉,再进去3 buy-ins,就是进步,回家,就象看电影也不都是喜剧或者
咱想看的结局。
donk
ways
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】 : 这周末又去foxwoods玩了12小时的一个session,屁股没挪,桌上不时的有super donk : 表演,但是全程card dead,大约一小时玩个3到4手牌,开始high cards lead/cbet总 : 有人raise,后我索性NIT了,因为有donk和cs舍不得换桌,好不容易aces with 5 ways : preflop shove,被tt set了,再然后哭丧着脸继续NIT,直到最后丢完几个buyin,黯 : 然回家。 : 求建议。。。。
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 40 if you are losing overall and unable to enjoy the game, I strongly suggest
you to quit. It is like drug addict after the initial excitement. You will
be only left with regrets and suffering. Enjoy playing or have some
financial gain, I think you need to have at least one to continue. |
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 41 谢谢老大们 偶这不是想要多听听老大们的经验么 其实没那么depressed。故意赚眼球
骗眼泪而已 呵呵
对偶来说 输钱固然郁闷 但是比起打错牌送钱或者lose value 好多了
再有,个性问题,做事太投入,like mm老师说的,确实enjoy playing,并且也在不断
的积累经验,慢慢消leaks,这也要谢谢黎叔长期以来对偶们home game毫不留情的榨钱
啊 ~_~!
顺便问下,高手们一般带几个buyin去玩1/2,我虽然带着银行卡,但是当输到一两个
buyin后,不自觉的就会有play scared money的阴影,求经验分享 |
s*********f 发帖数: 155 | 42 Live poker is tough because of the large swing even at the lowest limit.
You got to know what your edge is if you want to win. E.g., you are relaxed,
while your opponents are on tilt. You are paying attention and reading your
opponent, while they are not. You know the odds, while they don't. etc.
Table selection is crucial. You only have an edge if your opponents play
worse than you. Even then, you expect to win over large number of hands, not
necessarily in a few hands played in 10 hours.
There is a book called psychology of poker, which might be helpful. It helps
you realize why you are playing poker.
It would be best if you are playing for entertainment with disposable income
you can afford to lose. Even then, it is critical to implement good money
management. As iin investment, you got to have a stop loss so you know
before hand how much you are going to lose in the worse case scenario.
donk
ways
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】 : 这周末又去foxwoods玩了12小时的一个session,屁股没挪,桌上不时的有super donk : 表演,但是全程card dead,大约一小时玩个3到4手牌,开始high cards lead/cbet总 : 有人raise,后我索性NIT了,因为有donk和cs舍不得换桌,好不容易aces with 5 ways : preflop shove,被tt set了,再然后哭丧着脸继续NIT,直到最后丢完几个buyin,黯 : 然回家。 : 求建议。。。。
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p****r 发帖数: 9164 | 43
Usually carry 3-4 buyin. Most ppl would be somewhat on tilt after losin 4
buyin, at least I would, so best +EV option is to quit and come back another
day.
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】 : 谢谢老大们 偶这不是想要多听听老大们的经验么 其实没那么depressed。故意赚眼球 : 骗眼泪而已 呵呵 : 对偶来说 输钱固然郁闷 但是比起打错牌送钱或者lose value 好多了 : 再有,个性问题,做事太投入,like mm老师说的,确实enjoy playing,并且也在不断 : 的积累经验,慢慢消leaks,这也要谢谢黎叔长期以来对偶们home game毫不留情的榨钱 : 啊 ~_~! : 顺便问下,高手们一般带几个buyin去玩1/2,我虽然带着银行卡,但是当输到一两个 : buyin后,不自觉的就会有play scared money的阴影,求经验分享
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 44 德艺双馨
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【在 s*********f 的大作中提到】 : Live poker is tough because of the large swing even at the lowest limit. : You got to know what your edge is if you want to win. E.g., you are relaxed, : while your opponents are on tilt. You are paying attention and reading your : opponent, while they are not. You know the odds, while they don't. etc. : Table selection is crucial. You only have an edge if your opponents play : worse than you. Even then, you expect to win over large number of hands, not : necessarily in a few hands played in 10 hours. : There is a book called psychology of poker, which might be helpful. It helps : you realize why you are playing poker. : It would be best if you are playing for entertainment with disposable income
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 45 5 buy-ins are normal, or 1K for me (i only do 100BB each). doesn't mean we
plan to lose all in the worse case, but a lot of times, we'll have to deal
with situations like 1 quick buy-in loss and then card dead for hours or
even 2nd buy-in down.
if i lose about 3 buy-ins, i'd leave since i know it will need some sort of
miracles to fill this hole at such low stake.
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】 : 谢谢老大们 偶这不是想要多听听老大们的经验么 其实没那么depressed。故意赚眼球 : 骗眼泪而已 呵呵 : 对偶来说 输钱固然郁闷 但是比起打错牌送钱或者lose value 好多了 : 再有,个性问题,做事太投入,like mm老师说的,确实enjoy playing,并且也在不断 : 的积累经验,慢慢消leaks,这也要谢谢黎叔长期以来对偶们home game毫不留情的榨钱 : 啊 ~_~! : 顺便问下,高手们一般带几个buyin去玩1/2,我虽然带着银行卡,但是当输到一两个 : buyin后,不自觉的就会有play scared money的阴影,求经验分享
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D*A 发帖数: 1169 | 46 的确,要想玩的松点,有发挥余地,500 BB buy in is necessary.
而且,长期玩poker,需要大概3000-5000个BB
有人提过“深筹码是Poker的全部”,有一定道理
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【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】 : 5 buy-ins are normal, or 1K for me (i only do 100BB each). doesn't mean we : plan to lose all in the worse case, but a lot of times, we'll have to deal : with situations like 1 quick buy-in loss and then card dead for hours or : even 2nd buy-in down. : if i lose about 3 buy-ins, i'd leave since i know it will need some sort of : miracles to fill this hole at such low stake.
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t********t 发帖数: 5415 | 47 I usually bring 3. If I lose them all then 100% I'm leaving. |