s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 1 The Bible clearly teaches that the natural, unregenerated man can do good, a
nd it offers many examples. We have already quoted from Romans 2 how unsaved
Gentiles recognize God's moral laws in their consciences, seek to obey them
, have guilt when they don't and even judge one another by that standard. Ye
s, it says "there is none that doeth good, no, not one" (Romans 3:12). But J
esus also said...... ye do good to them which do good to you ... sinners als
o do even the same" (Luke 6:33). We must take Scripture as a whole.
The fact that "totally depraved" men can obviously make moral choices for go
od would surely imply that without being regenerated they could under Holy S
pirit conviction make a genuine choice to repent and turn to God. Where does
God's Word say they cannot? Can even one verse be found in Scripture that c
learly declares that man must be regenerated before he can believe the gospe
l? No, not one!
Both the examples given in Scripture and daily experience force us to conclu
de that the declaration that "every imagination of the thoughts of his heart
was only evil continually" describes the general attitude of the heart, not
what it must produce at every moment of every day. Similar statements that
sound absolute but are not are found in praise of man. For example, God says
of David that he walked before Him with a "perfect heart" and that he was a
"man after mine own heart, which shall fulfill all my will" (1Kings 15:3; A
cts 13:22, etc.). Yet David displeased God a number of times, even committin
g adultery and murder. In the same fashion we must understand the statements
about man's wickedness and sin as describing his general attitude but not h
is necessity. | s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 2 不得不说一下以改革宗为代表的一部分基督教神学的无耻下流！
就引用旧约了几句诗词，来证明人坏的一无是处，把一个正常人能做到的好事，都贬低
到一钱不值
比如孝敬父母，爱护子女，甚至帮助他人，这些是人之常情的好事，都被贬为不是真心
做的好事
看那些jym3027, huo这样在这干各种变态的事，还可以自诩为得救的，而“不得救”的
即使做好事，也要被改革宗的邪教思想贬低为“在神眼里不是好事”
这种极端思想，不是邪教是什么！疯狂贬低一个人的道德的水准，不是反人类是什么！
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【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: The Bible clearly teaches that the natural, unregenerated man can do good, a
: nd it offers many examples. We have already quoted from Romans 2 how unsaved
: Gentiles recognize God's moral laws in their consciences, seek to obey them
: , have guilt when they don't and even judge one another by that standard. Ye
: s, it says "there is none that doeth good, no, not one" (Romans 3:12). But J
: esus also said...... ye do good to them which do good to you ... sinners als
: o do even the same" (Luke 6:33). We must take Scripture as a whole.
: The fact that "totally depraved" men can obviously make moral choices for go
: od would surely imply that without being regenerated they could under Holy S
: pirit conviction make a genuine choice to repent and turn to God. Where does
| s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 3 check this verse
Daniel 6:22
My God sent his angel, and he shut the mouths of the lions. They have not
hurt me, because I was found innocent in his sight. Nor have I ever done any
wrong before you, O king."
【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: 不得不说一下以改革宗为代表的一部分基督教神学的无耻下流！
: 就引用旧约了几句诗词，来证明人坏的一无是处，把一个正常人能做到的好事，都贬低
: 到一钱不值
: 比如孝敬父母，爱护子女，甚至帮助他人，这些是人之常情的好事，都被贬为不是真心
: 做的好事
: 看那些jym3027, huo这样在这干各种变态的事，还可以自诩为得救的，而“不得救”的
: 即使做好事，也要被改革宗的邪教思想贬低为“在神眼里不是好事”
: 这种极端思想，不是邪教是什么！疯狂贬低一个人的道德的水准，不是反人类是什么！
:
: a
| G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 4 你说话留点口德啊
我做什么各种变态的事了？
你把圣经看成什么？圣经上每句话都是神所启示的。你好好学吧
【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: 不得不说一下以改革宗为代表的一部分基督教神学的无耻下流！
: 就引用旧约了几句诗词，来证明人坏的一无是处，把一个正常人能做到的好事，都贬低
: 到一钱不值
: 比如孝敬父母，爱护子女，甚至帮助他人，这些是人之常情的好事，都被贬为不是真心
: 做的好事
: 看那些jym3027, huo这样在这干各种变态的事，还可以自诩为得救的，而“不得救”的
: 即使做好事，也要被改革宗的邪教思想贬低为“在神眼里不是好事”
: 这种极端思想，不是邪教是什么！疯狂贬低一个人的道德的水准，不是反人类是什么！
:
: a
| R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 5 total depravity is not from the bible
you only read the book of Calvin
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 你说话留点口德啊
: 我做什么各种变态的事了？
: 你把圣经看成什么？圣经上每句话都是神所启示的。你好好学吧
| N*V
发帖数: 108 | 6 四书好久不见啊
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unsaved
them
Ye
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does
【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: The Bible clearly teaches that the natural, unregenerated man can do good, a
: nd it offers many examples. We have already quoted from Romans 2 how unsaved
: Gentiles recognize God's moral laws in their consciences, seek to obey them
: , have guilt when they don't and even judge one another by that standard. Ye
: s, it says "there is none that doeth good, no, not one" (Romans 3:12). But J
: esus also said...... ye do good to them which do good to you ... sinners als
: o do even the same" (Luke 6:33). We must take Scripture as a whole.
: The fact that "totally depraved" men can obviously make moral choices for go
: od would surely imply that without being regenerated they could under Holy S
: pirit conviction make a genuine choice to repent and turn to God. Where does
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