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l*y
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标 题: 东亚女胸小的原因找到了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Feb 15 09:21:19 2013, 美东)
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/15/science/studying-recent-human

East Asian Physical Traits Linked to 35,000-Year-Old Mutation
By NICHOLAS WADE
Published: February 14, 2013
Gaining a deep insight into human evolution, researchers have identified a
mutation in a critical human gene as the source of several distinctive
traits that make East Asians different from other races.
The traits — thicker hair shafts, more sweat glands, characteristically
identified teeth and smaller breasts — are the result of a gene mutation
that occurred about 35,000 years ago, the researchers have concluded.
The discovery explains a crucial juncture in the evolution of East Asians.
But the method can also be applied to some 400 other sites on the human
genome. The DNA changes at these sites, researchers believe, mark the
turning points in recent human evolution as the populations on each
continent diverged from one another.
The first of those sites to be studied contains the gene known as EDAR.
Africans and Europeans carry the standard version of the gene, but in most
East Asians, one of the DNA units has mutated.
Seeking to understand if the gene was the cause of thicker hair in East
Asians with the variant gene, a team of researchers led by Yana G. Kamberov
and Pardis C. Sabeti at the Broad Institute in Cambridge, Mass., decided to
test the gene in mice, where its effects could be more easily explored.
Mice already have EDAR, an ancient mammalian gene that plays a leading role
in the embryo in shaping hair, skin and teeth. The Broad team engineered a
strain of mice whose EDAR gene had the same DNA change as the East Asian
version of EDAR.
When the mice grew up, the researchers found they did indeed have thicker
hair shafts, confirming that the changed gene was the cause of East Asians’
thicker hair. But the gene had several other effects, they report in
Thursday’s issue of the journal Cell.
One was that the mice, to the researchers’ surprise, had extra sweat glands
. A Chinese member of the team, Sijia Wang, then tested people in China and
discovered that they, too, had more numerous sweat glands, evidently another
effect of the gene.
Another surprise was that the engineered mice had less breast tissue,
meaning that EDAR could be the reason that East Asian women have generally
smaller breasts.
East Asians have distinctively shaped teeth for which their version of EDAR
is probably responsible. But the mice were less helpful on this point; their
teeth are so different from humans’ that the researchers could not see any
specific change.
The finding that the gene has so many effects raises the question of which
one was the dominant trigger for natural selection.
Dr. Sabeti said the extra sweat glands could have been the feature favored
by natural selection, with all the other effects being dragged along in its
train.
“We’re the only mammals to have changed their entire hair pattern. So the
changes in teeth, hair and breasts — it’s very possible they are the
passengers and thermoregulation is the key,” she said, referring to the
role of sweat glands in cooling the body.
East Asians are sometimes assumed to have evolved in a cold environment
because of their narrow nostrils, which conserve heat, and the extra eyelid
fat that insulates the eye. But the Broad team calculates that the EDAR
variant arose about 35,000 years ago in central China and that the region
was then quite warm and humid. Extra sweat glands would have been
advantageous to the hunter-gatherers who lived at that time.
But Joshua Akey, a geneticist at the University of Washington in Seattle,
said he thought the more likely cause of the gene’s spread among East
Asians was sexual selection. Thick hair and small breasts are visible sexual
signals which, if preferred by men, could quickly become more common as the
carriers had more children. The genes underlying conspicuous traits, like
blue eyes and blond hair in Europeans, have very strong signals of selection
, Dr. Akey said, and the sexually visible effects of EDAR are likely to have
been stronger drivers of natural selection than sweat glands.
Yet a third view is held by Dr. Kamberov, who believes that each of the
effects of the EDAR variant may have been favored by natural selection at a
different time. A series of selections on different traits thus made the
variant version so common among East Asians. About 93 percent of Han Chinese
carry the variant, as do about 70 percent of people in Japan and Thailand,
and 60 to 90 percent of American Indians, a population descended from East
Asians.
The Broad team is studying EDAR as part of a larger plan to identify all the
genetic variants responsible for recent human evolution. Many researchers,
including Dr. Sabeti, have devised ways of scanning the human genome to
detect the fingerprints of natural selection. But these scans have typically
identified large chunks of the genome that contain many genes. There is
often no way to tell which gene was the target of natural selection.
A team led by Dr. Sabeti and Sharon R. Grossman of the Broad Institute has
now refined the usual scanning methods and identified 412 sites on the
genome that have been under selection. Each site is small enough that it
contains at most a single gene.
Each race has a different set of selected regions, reflecting the fact that
the human population had dispersed from its African homeland and faced
different challenges that led to genetic adaptation on each continent. About
140 of the sites affected by natural selection are in Europeans, 140 in
East Asians and 132 in Africans, the authors report in another article
published Thursday in Cell.
Inserting some of the other selected genes into mice might help explain why
they were favored, and point to critical turning points in recent human
evolution, Dr. Sabeti said.
In the case of EDAR, putting the gene into mice has only magnified the
mystery of why it was selected. But the researchers are not discouraged. “A
reflection of good science is that a step forward opens up a lot more
questions,” Dr. Akey said.
A version of this article appeared in print on February 15, 2013, on page
A18 of the New York edition with the headline: East Asian Physical Traits
Linked to 35,000-Year-Old Mutation.
c*********e
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我一直认为一个基因对一大堆traits有决定性影响是扯淡
l*y
发帖数: 21010
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为什么

【在 c*********e 的大作中提到】
: 我一直认为一个基因对一大堆traits有决定性影响是扯淡
c*********p
发帖数: 3217
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这个怎么解释很多胸大的亚女呢。
l*y
发帖数: 21010
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混血啊

【在 c*********p 的大作中提到】
: 这个怎么解释很多胸大的亚女呢。
b*********f
发帖数: 2125
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激素吃多了的结果, 还研究个啥。。。。
L**S
发帖数: 7833
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totally bullshit
d********3
发帖数: 7220
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基因显然是有影响的,但是可能淹没在饮食习惯中了,从小喝奶制品吃牛肉长大的不论
亚妞还是白妞胸部肯定不小
h********0
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你个傻逼! 天天发脑残的帖子, 原因早就找到了,你妈胸小,你奶奶是基佬,没胸,

【在 l*y 的大作中提到】
: 混血啊
A******D
发帖数: 1075
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这文章屁股不正;它说欧洲人和黑人有“standard version of the gene”,但是生物
上一般说这些是叫做“wild type”,不叫“standard”。它暗示东方人是不“标准”
的。
真正情况是,欧洲人和黑人的基因和老鼠一样,是旧的,ancient的。东方人的是新的
,evolved。
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j******l
发帖数: 10445
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怎么解释四川,湖南,东北,山东,西北女人胸大呢?
j******l
发帖数: 10445
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奶牛胸最大。奶牛是进化最好的动物。

【在 A******D 的大作中提到】
: 这文章屁股不正;它说欧洲人和黑人有“standard version of the gene”,但是生物
: 上一般说这些是叫做“wild type”,不叫“standard”。它暗示东方人是不“标准”
: 的。
: 真正情况是,欧洲人和黑人的基因和老鼠一样,是旧的,ancient的。东方人的是新的
: ,evolved。

l*y
发帖数: 21010
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混血

【在 j******l 的大作中提到】
: 怎么解释四川,湖南,东北,山东,西北女人胸大呢?
s********a
发帖数: 2081
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胡说,老鼠没这变种,也没见大胸老鼠到处跑
m**x
发帖数: 8454
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一头雾水:东亚女体毛浓密么?
d*******r
发帖数: 284
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基因并不能决定一切。后天的各种饮食和环境同样会影响性状。
s**e
发帖数: 255
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基因突变

【在 c*********p 的大作中提到】
: 这个怎么解释很多胸大的亚女呢。
s****a
发帖数: 6521
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山东。。。
lol

【在 j******l 的大作中提到】
: 怎么解释四川,湖南,东北,山东,西北女人胸大呢?
O*******d
发帖数: 20343
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不是毛浓密,是毛发粗硬。

【在 m**x 的大作中提到】
: 一头雾水:东亚女体毛浓密么?
b****r
发帖数: 17995
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亚女比白女是腿毛粗硬还是胸毛粗硬?

【在 O*******d 的大作中提到】
: 不是毛浓密,是毛发粗硬。
j******l
发帖数: 10445
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我明白你的意思,我见过平胸山东女,李宇春不也是四川妹子嘛,但大部分四川山东女
人还是大雄。比如巩俐,陈好范冰冰

【在 s****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 山东。。。
: lol

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