d***p
发帖数: 937 | 1 每小时工资二十七八块，哪来的90美元，你给呀？
最开始有人说三大的Labor Cost是每小时50多。后来（2008或2009年）。GM为了把自己
失败的原因退到UAW身上。东拼西凑成70多美元。GM把工资，福利，带薪假期，已退休
员工的福利，退休金和其他乱七八糟都加进去，再除以工人实际工作小时数。得出来个
70多。
现在又有人给涨到90多了。真是通货膨胀啊。
其实在2008前，他们的工资就是27~28美元。2009年。UAW让步，新员工起薪是14～17/
小时。 |
m*****e
发帖数: 789 | 2 The problem for these car makers are pension, which they promised during
booming time. None of their management saw the problem down the road. 5
years ago, they realized they were in financial trouble, then started to
break their promise and put the blame on the worker union. |
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 3 双方都有问题． 但主要问题在ｕｎｉｏｎ．他们比较贪得无厌． 当初management因
为公司还赚钱,所以就让步了,但后来公司情况不好了,就不能让步了.但union已经惯坏
了.
【在 m*****e 的大作中提到】
: The problem for these car makers are pension, which they promised during
: booming time. None of their management saw the problem down the road. 5
: years ago, they realized they were in financial trouble, then started to
: break their promise and put the blame on the worker union.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 4 None of their management saw the problem down the road?
you are kidding me right.
lol...
【在 m*****e 的大作中提到】
: The problem for these car makers are pension, which they promised during
: booming time. None of their management saw the problem down the road. 5
: years ago, they realized they were in financial trouble, then started to
: break their promise and put the blame on the worker union.
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C*E
发帖数: 785 | 5 都在这说20块啊90块啊, 谁能上传个/发布个可靠信息源啊? |
c******i
发帖数: 4091 | 6 问goog
【在 C*E 的大作中提到】
: 都在这说20块啊90块啊, 谁能上传个/发布个可靠信息源啊?
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 7 这个GM破产的时候,网上已经有GM的工资和Toyota的工资的比较. 具体数字记不得了,但
这个27-28应该不止的.
【在 C*E 的大作中提到】
: 都在这说20块啊90块啊, 谁能上传个/发布个可靠信息源啊?
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d***p
发帖数: 937 | 8 每小时工资大约28美元。现在新员工14~17。
70几块钱的是GM为了把失败的责任推倒工会身上自己撺出来的每小时Labor Cost。
就是把所有的人头费用，包括医疗，Paid Vacation和Holiday，目前退休人员的退休金
和医疗费用，往Pension Fund里填的钱，等等加在一起的总费用，再除以目前工人实际
的工作小时数得出来的。即使这样，也招来好多质疑。
那个90多的数字纯粹是某ID胡编出来的。
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 这个GM破产的时候,网上已经有GM的工资和Toyota的工资的比较. 具体数字记不得了,但
: 这个27-28应该不止的.
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c******i
发帖数: 4091 | 9 你的credit还不如屎地粪坑呢，还没有屎地粪坑的娱乐性，赶紧先吃点通稿补补脑子吧
，呵呵
【在 d***p 的大作中提到】
: 每小时工资大约28美元。现在新员工14~17。
: 70几块钱的是GM为了把失败的责任推倒工会身上自己撺出来的每小时Labor Cost。
: 就是把所有的人头费用，包括医疗，Paid Vacation和Holiday，目前退休人员的退休金
: 和医疗费用，往Pension Fund里填的钱，等等加在一起的总费用，再除以目前工人实际
: 的工作小时数得出来的。即使这样，也招来好多质疑。
: 那个90多的数字纯粹是某ID胡编出来的。
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 10 your source?
【在 d***p 的大作中提到】
: 每小时工资大约28美元。现在新员工14~17。
: 70几块钱的是GM为了把失败的责任推倒工会身上自己撺出来的每小时Labor Cost。
: 就是把所有的人头费用，包括医疗，Paid Vacation和Holiday，目前退休人员的退休金
: 和医疗费用，往Pension Fund里填的钱，等等加在一起的总费用，再除以目前工人实际
: 的工作小时数得出来的。即使这样，也招来好多质疑。
: 那个90多的数字纯粹是某ID胡编出来的。
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d***p
发帖数: 937 | 11 你不就是以前的地下五毛党Piaoke吗。
现在又假装Conservative，污言秽语破坏Conservative的名声。
【在 c******i 的大作中提到】
: 你的credit还不如屎地粪坑呢，还没有屎地粪坑的娱乐性，赶紧先吃点通稿补补脑子吧
: ，呵呵
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d***p
发帖数: 937 | 12 你自己Google去，网上有三大跟UAW的合同信息，各个公司有些差别，但大约是$28.
这个是GM的合同历史数据。
http://www.remappingdebate.org/map-data-tool/putting-new-gm-uaw
你应该质问那个90多元的。
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: your source?
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c******i
发帖数: 4091 | 13 你这傻婢后清小黄门海外质子小喇叭现在一仆二主抱民主党粗腿，大政府的通稿给你喂
肥了没有？
你的骈头走地鸡看样子比你混得好，你也赶紧去DC按摩院当个临时公吧，说不准哪天有
民主党贵人能提拔你当个米国党棍。
呵呵
【在 d***p 的大作中提到】
: 你不就是以前的地下五毛党Piaoke吗。
: 现在又假装Conservative，污言秽语破坏Conservative的名声。
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 14 你讲的是base pay吧.不包括其他福利的. 看了下网上说的, average base pay 就是28
刀一个小时. |
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 15 看这个, 一个开叉车的一年挣10万多刀.一个割草的一个小时成本$65刀.
Just listen to Steve Miller a turnaround specialist who is steering Delphi's
restructuring process.
He exploded the myth of America's "endangered" union manufacturing jobs at
his October press conference announcing Delphi's move into Chapter 11: "We
cannot continue to pay $65 an hour for someone to cut the grass and remain
competitive."
Take grass cutting. As defined by the current United Auto Worker contract
negotiated with the "Big Five" (GM, Ford, Chrysler, and top parts makers
Delphi and Visteon), an auto "production worker" is a job description that
covers anything from mowing grass to cleaning the toilets.
In the real world, these jobs would be outsourced to $8 an hour, no-benefit
wage earners, but on Planet Big Five, these jobs get the same wages as any
auto line-worker: an average $26 an hour ($60,000 a year) plus benefits that
bring the company's total cost per worker to a staggering $65 an hour.
But at least the grass cutters are working for their pay. The UAW contract
also guarantees that 12,000 autoworkers get full wage for doing nothing. On
the heels of Miller's straight-talk, the Detroit News reported that "12,000
American autoworkers, instead of bending sheet metal, spend their days
counting the hours in a jobs bank." These aren't jobs. And they certainly
aren't being "lost" to China.
"We just go in (to Ford's Michigan Truck Plant) and play crossword puzzles,
watch videos that someone brings in or read the newspaper," The News quoted
one UAW worker as saying. "Otherwise, I've just sat."
The coming months will be painful for many American autoworkers. Accustomed
to a certain lifestyle, they will see their wages cut in half, jeopardizing
second homes, college tuitions, and car payments.
One blue-collar Delphi worker interviewed by the Detroit News makes $103,000
a year operating a forklift and fears the consequences if his pay is
drastically reduced. But many Americans will ask how a forklift operator
felt entitled to a six-figure income in the first place (according to Bureau
of Labor Statistics, the average forklift operator wage in the U.S. is $26,
000).
It is an opportune time for political leadership to step to the plate and
speak with candor, but the signs are not encouraging.
- November 29, 2005, Labor Pains, Detroit needs to play by market rules. By
Henry Payne
Source(s):
The Indianapolis Star and the National Review |
