s*****r
发帖数: 11545 | 1 Lien was actually very kind to those bikers. When he was on the run, he
still honked to alert them of danger. But the biker interpreted his
kindness as offense. |
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s*********t
发帖数: 16647 | 3 路过military版
lz瞎话张口就来，不看video，不做research，人云亦云
cutoff的那个biker没事，是另外一个biker被run over
不影响结论，不过看了前十个回复，没一个指出的
深切体会到military版的id素质不怎么样啊
有点夸夸其谈，找点热点就装腔的腔调
发生
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f****i
发帖数: 20252 | 4 算是OK了
追5个mile的biker毕竟是少数，呆在高速上的话所有的biker都在，鬼知道会弄成啥样。 |
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C*********l
发帖数: 10248 | 5 Chuck St You said "...was run over like an animal..". I call that SELF
DEFENSE. When you have a SWARM of 20-30 PEOPLE coming down at you with
malicious intent and you have a wife AND a 2 YEARS OLD TODDLER with you, you
think you'll just stick around?24 minutes ago · Like · 5..
Karen Davenport they had it just now on local news here in ga24 minutes ago
· Like · 1..
Pac Gutierrez Yeah to help his buddy who break checks a guy with his family
in the car, bunch of idiots.. I would have ran everyone o... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****r
发帖数: 11545 | 6 In the beginning, he should yield, of course. Don't honk, don't say a word,
and move to the right lane cautiously with lane changing signal on; if not
feasible, keep driving on the same lane at a steady low speed until they all
pass. I don't even believe in anybody's bullshit courage to confront.
Those who say they will run over and kill the bikers on the run are just
boasting here. I have seen too many of them. They claim what they will do
in a hypo, but in reality they will be very WS when t... 阅读全帖 |
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a***n
发帖数: 444 | 7 我觉得法律最后会判suv司机有一定罪行。
在他脚踩油门冲向前面好几个摩托司机的瞬间，他已经放弃了'受害者'这个称号。
在我看来，biker门后面的追击，砸窗，完全是正常的反应。我心底里面会为这群摩托
车手叫好，替他们受伤的弟兄打抱不平。
有一个细节，当一个biker冲过去想砸后窗时，看到后座的小孩，挥起的拳头又收了回
去。
司机所谓保护自己的家人，根本就是低估了别人的人性，再加上自己胆子小。幻想自己
是受害者，其实恰恰相反。这种个性是无数国男身上共有的。
整一件事情用一句话来概括就行了：故意伤人后逃逸。
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s*****r
发帖数: 11545 | 8 The injured biker's mother cried... too late.
Brother claimed that being threatened was not the case... too biased.
A group of bikers surrounded an SUV, hit it, slashed the tire, and forced
open the door. Even a chimpanzee will take it as a threat, needless to say a
guy with his wife and baby inside. |
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x*****u
发帖数: 6559 | 9 实在不想像某些ID打嘴炮，用机枪扫射了啥的，先读读自己州对在汽车内公路上携带武
器的条例在吹牛。
如果我遇到飞车党 枪是没用的，我们的规定是枪要在后箱，子弹和枪要分开放，所以
不是option。所以我也不会傻到和几十人对着干。让开路让他们玩吧，心里不爽就随便
记下几个牌照报警，或是让拍照片录像之类的，然后报警就是了。 不过像这样不管是
湾湾一个人陪着车队玩，是牛逼还是装逼还是傻逼。都不犯法，但是那个在车前面去堵
人的飞车党犯法，扎人车胎的犯法。而受到威胁后在躲避过程中造成的伤害弯弯负责的
可能性很小。 所以现在连charge都没有。 其实我觉得受伤的biker算是受到惩罚了，
毕竟扰乱交通，扎人轮胎不是大罪。 可恨的是哪些起哄的最后都没事儿。其实他们和
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w********n
发帖数: 1119 | 10 http://www.ibtimes.com/bikers-attack-suv-gruesome-photos-alexia
However, records show that Mieses never had a valid driver's license nor
motorcycle license.
In June, the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles notified the National
Driver Register that Mieses' right to drive in the state was revoked until
2017 for habitual traffic offenses, according to a Boston Globe report.
While two bikers involved in the incident have been charged, Police
Commissioner Ray Kelly hasn’t ruled out pressing cha... 阅读全帖 |
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w********n
发帖数: 1119 | 11 The bikers, part of a group called Hollywood Stuntz, were taking part in an
unauthorized road rally through Manhattan in which more than 1,000 bikers
head for Times Square, police said. |
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e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 12 我老谈谈跑车摩托党的看法＋对付方案
这里不包括hd,那是真正的红脖子组织，有番号有地区／全国总部啥的，是个纪律严明
的组织，有匪气但是是又懂节制的人。
跑车摩托党就是社交网站一呼百应临时拼凑的组织，上来过把淫的，各种成分都有：
有上路兜风
有上路欺负别的开车的，
有运毒的
有泡妞的
都在这群biker里面。这就解释了为什么周围看热闹的biker大多都是小白，而真正砸窗
打人进precinct的都是老黑，没办法，脑袋不好用就是遮掩的。 |
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m**********j
发帖数: 8645 | 13 护士可以跟bikers交换保险卡。
如果有之前 有人要biker 要开他们门的视频 那怎么都算是正当防卫吧难道就要停在原
地 等着被打？问题是有没有这个视频可以证实 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 10738 | 14 http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Biker-Assault-Manhattan-Vi
“Detectives on Wednesday searched the Long Island home of the biker they
believe recorded a video of the chase and beating that has since gone viral.
Equipment recovered at the home is now being analyzed, law enforcement
officials said.”
不知道有沒有删干净。 |
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l*****9
发帖数: 9501 | 15 bikers are poor compared to Lien, but the best lawyer in America choose to
represent the comatozed biker |
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b******g
发帖数: 3616 | 16 视频是另一个biker拍的，你看到的只是相对速度，当然慢了。这群biker怎么也是开到
60码以上了。有点高速经验的人都知道，如果贴这么近，即使不是急刹车，也根本不会
有反映时间的。
索男之所以是索男，就是因为整天在键盘后面yy别人的事情。有着点闲功夫挖烂坑，不
如好好干点活，事业追上人家的一半。 |
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C*******f
发帖数: 13152 | 17 男护士关键不是怕事，他上来就骂路虎男傻逼啊，说人家肯定是逞能惹着bikers了才被
追的，还有什么bikers为什么不追别人之类的sb言论。 |
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m***k
发帖数: 37 | 18 I guess Lien opened the door and tried to talk to bikers.He lost his
confidence after the thugs cut his tire and broke his back window. He became
nervous and hit the break so hard. and never calmed down from that moment
until the last stop. It's normal reaction. He was still doing much better
than a normal person. He forgot to lock the door until his second stop.
But at his second stop, the thugs were not underrating(轻视) him, they
overrated him and scared to be in front of his SUV.
Compare to hi... 阅读全帖 |
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m***k
发帖数: 37 | 19 In Russian driver's video, after he back hit the biker, the biker gave up.
and the driver was not forced to stop. He stopped with some space with
clearance in front of him.
I'm sure with space in front, if Lien moved back and forth, he would survive
till cops coming.
That's "exchange of space and time".
“用空间换时间”在我军的战略中占据重要地位，这也是毛主席“论持久战”的思想之
一。
从他下高速时车速快而平稳。当中高速分叉处那次停，机车党试图来拉车门，他突然启
动绕过前面的车来，车子平稳，操控性很好。自始至终，看不出车况变差的一丝迹象。
在红灯被逼停前，也看不出路虎男有任何担心车况而减速的迹象。即使在LOCAL也是一
路狂奔，一骑绝尘。车上还带着孩子。
其实在录像前一两分钟，已经看得出... 阅读全帖 |
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o******e
发帖数: 172 | 20 很简单的例子。
那些动不动就往歧视上扯的人基本没有安全感，没有勇气在一个异族占多数的群体里生
存，所以动不动就把同类人拉过来壮大自己的声势，但是出了事基本都往后躲的。
这群人最热衷于骂外f，但是从来不检讨自己猥琐之处。
所以我说你们悲愤也没用，这个road rage跟种族没有毛关系，biker判biker的错，
lien也要负出自己的代价。 |
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J**S
发帖数: 25790 | 21 一个BIKER可能和路虎哥有交流，示意他想赶路虎哥到边上的LANE， 路虎哥继续在中间
的LANE行驶没理， 于是那个BIKER就故意开到路虎哥前面，突然刹车，然后就有这纠纷
。。
我觉得碰瓷可能性有，但是前面的可能性更大。 |
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t*********d
发帖数: 46 | 23 #Breaking news: an undercover cop was among bikers in the SUV v. biker
incident in #NYC.. more next! #AC360
这个啥意思？ |
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a****n
发帖数: 3082 | 24 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230417690457911370
Lien's car hit Mr. Cruz's bike, bringing the highway procession to a halt.
Bikers swarmed around the Range Rover, and one biker exchanged angry words
with Mr. Lien, a witness said. A side view mirror was smashed, someone hit
the vehicle, and the tires may have been slashed, police said. |
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g*****w
发帖数: 1824 | 25 人家可以说是其他bikers说的。不要这么乐观，讼棍能找到很多biker出来为他作证 |
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m******x
发帖数: 918 | 26 这事难就难在这，lien很难证实biker在他撞人前会攻击他。所有的威胁不过是他以为
，或者说是他幻想出来的。被人围了你就撞人逃，撞人才是bikers追打的起因。
怎么证实这个威胁，以及这个被撞的是参与了威胁，这块问题蛮大。整不好刑事也不能
免责。
这事搁国内，网民肯定一边倒骂路虎司机，围观下你你丫就要把人撞残？呵呵。 |
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 27 技术上当然应该还是以这个伤者和他的律师为对手,因为对方要告自己, 但是关键是给
自己脱罪, 证明自己无罪, 而不要对伤者有太多公开的敌意,这是我的意思.
要把敌人准确定位在 biker 整体的非法和骚扰滋事. 要再三强调这位伤者本人不是路
虎的受害者,而是 biker 闹事的受害者. |
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f******s
发帖数: 983 | 28 biker说啥的你都相信？瘫痪男是去劝说帮助被撞倒，他不认识里面的任何其他biker，
打人说是因为他被路虎撞了，所以愤而爬起追上路虎男暴打
不过可惜，你相信，陪审团没那么容易相信 |
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g****t
发帖数: 31659 | 29 瘫痪男是负责堵路的.
biker说啥的你都相信？瘫痪男是去劝说帮助被撞倒，他不认识里面的任何其他biker，
打人说是因为他被路虎撞了，所以愤而爬起追上路虎男暴打
不过可惜，你相信，陪审团没那么容易相信 |
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S*******l
发帖数: 28 | 30 Please read the LONG VERSION of the biker's record (courtesy of the Boston
Herald):
BOSTON HERALD - The Lawrence motorcyclist struck and paralyzed as a
desperate SUV driver tried to escape the rage of other bikers in New York on
Sunday has a six-page criminal record that began at age 12 with a negligent
driving charge and includes jail time for drugs, guns, resisting arrest and
other convictions, according to court records.Edwin Mieses, 32, never got a
driver’s license in the Bay State, th... 阅读全帖 |
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g****t
发帖数: 31659 | 31 【 以下文字转载自 NewYork 讨论区 】
发信人: guvest (我爱你老婆Anna), 信区: NewYork
标 题: Lien的老婆也是被人从车里拖出来的
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Oct 5 23:59:46 2013, 美东)
站着救人的那个目击者说了,
Lien的老婆是被人拖出来的,而且说"you are going to get it, too".
这时候群众开始scream no lady with baby.
就是这个时候,这个英雄站出来的.
"
The man who helped the family did not attend the press conference, but told officials the bikers were after Lien’s wife and initially believed Lien was dead from how badly he was beaten.
Read more: http://pix11.com/2013/10/03/eyewitness-says-bikers-wen... 阅读全帖 |
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a**t
发帖数: 3833 | 32 I am a biker. I support every acts of the bikers. |
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i***l
发帖数: 9994 | 33 your remarks insulted the title "biker". No you don't deserved the title of
a biker. |
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a*o
发帖数: 25262 | 34 【 以下文字转载自 NewYork 讨论区 】
发信人: auo (aeiou), 信区: NewYork
标 题: 警察卧底是袭击 Lien 的其中之一
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Oct 8 12:11:25 2013, 美东)
视频显示这卧底是袭击车后窗的人，然后踢车。 卧底说自己来到现在的时候，已经散
了。
警匪是一家的。
Undercover cop lied about taking part in biker beatdown of SUV driver:
source
A police source said Tuesday that video evidence shows the cop in question
joining the mob in attacking Alexian Lien's SUV during the Sept. 29 incident
that escalated into a high-speed chase around Manhattan. 'It shows him
punching the back window... 阅读全帖 |
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g**1
发帖数: 10330 | 36 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2465654/Does-SUV-attack
Does SUV attack victim have high-level NYPD links? Helmet cam captures
officer telling motorcyclists Alexian Lien is related to police boss who has
ordered crackdown on bikers
State trooper claims bikers are to face tougher ticketing
High-ranking state trooper related to Lien said to be behind order |
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n******g
发帖数: 17225 | 37
Little Sauce, plzzz get your facts straight first!!!
Craig Wright, James Kuehne and Kaliq Douglas copped to felony assault and
riot in exchange for two years in prison and three years post-release
supervision.
http://nypost.com/2015/03/25/biker-to-get-2-years-in-prison-for
Reginald Chance copped to felony assault and criminal mischief in exchange
for 2 years in prison and 3 years post-release supervision for the vicious
attack on Alexian Lien Sept 29, 2013.
http://nypost.com/2015/03/31/biker-th... 阅读全帖 |
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D*X
发帖数: 364 | 39 ------------
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Stuntz_gang_assault
Among the bikers was an undercover New York City Police Department officer.[
1] The attack was caught on video and garnered international attention.[2]
Eleven bikers have been convicted of assault and other criminal charges
relating to the attack, and legislation has been proposed to regulate
motorcycle rallies in New York City. |
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S*******n
发帖数: 10009 | 40 操你妈的傻逼，德州的biker clubs死掉的忘了？尼玛的录象里一听枪声四处乱逃，最
后象狗一样趴在地上，就是你这样拿枪的猪吗？
biker |
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b*x
发帖数: 5456 | 42 来吧， calcat， 你黑爹的屎都拉出来了， 你来舔干净。
SUV撵过的黑人被禁止开车到2017年。
http://www.ibtimes.com/bikers-attack-suv-gruesome-photos-alexia
However, records show that Mieses never had a valid driver's license nor
motorcycle license.
In June, the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles notified the National
Driver Register that Mieses' right to drive in the state was revoked until
2017 for habitual traffic offenses, according to a Boston Globe report.
While two bikers involved in the incident have been charged, Police
... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 43 【 以下文字转载自 WaterWorld 讨论区 】
发信人: sayyousayme (sayyousayme), 信区: WaterWorld
标 题: 左棍媒体CNN开始混淆是非了：Who is the real victim?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 3 19:41:04 2013, 美东)
左棍媒体开始混淆是非了，开始说谁是真正的受害人，开始说人们开始质疑，开始说但
是，宣称人们为被撞的摩托车手举行烛光守夜。。。。
看下去， 就是守夜的，那些质疑的，都是那伙摩托黑帮的人。 还好， 评论还是一边
倒。
Biker attack video: Who is the real victim?
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/03/us/bikers-attack-video/ |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 44 Harley Dealership Cancels Nation of Islam Event After Receiving Major
Backlash
John S. Roberts
September 8, 2015 6:00 pm
I guess when Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan isn’t having dinner
with rapper Eminem in Detroit, he’s setting up deals with Harley-Davidson
dealerships in order to spread the word of Allah.
Not so fast, say nearly 6,000 people.
Check it out…
From Daily Caller:
A Harley Davidson dealership near Washington, D.C., faced massive
Internet backlash over the weekend after w... 阅读全帖 |
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O**J
发帖数: 475 | 45 Why not just give the location coordinate where this happened and shut
everybody up? Google maps have street view on all Yosemite roads.
"事情就是在很短一个时间内发生的"
and
"他是超过我们很久以后`，停在路上车灯全熄，就在那杵着。要不我们能看不见？"
(I think you haven't let anyone pass at this point, otherwise you will
not be the first car to find the biker standing in the middle of the road.)
很短 or 很久?
Here are some good advices from the the responses:
- when driving in an unfamiliar place, avoid driving when tired or in the
dark.
- let some on... 阅读全帖 |
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r****y
发帖数: 397 | 46 为了注意biker？
我在最右道然后停车的时候没有回头看右边扣分，考官的解释是可能会有biker在后面。
者左 |
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s*****g
发帖数: 3693 | 47 发信人: ZX14 (ZX14), 信区: Automobile
标 题: Re: 有本事你去撞摩托车。
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Oct 1 13:08:55 2013, 美东)
在NY TIMES(?)最初的报道里面。不好意思我不会在手机上搞link
"这是一个注册过，有警察远程监控的活动"
http://nypost.com/2013/09/30/bikers-attack-suv-after-driver-ram
Kelly said the gang of riders, known for their rallies and daredevil stunts,
planned to congregate in Times Square that day. But he said the gathering
was nixed by the NYPD because of past problems.
Last year, “they drove down Broadway [with] over 1,000 motorcycles, dirt
bikes,... 阅读全帖 |
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n******7
发帖数: 12463 | 48 奇怪，这个ID以前还是蛮reasonable的
可能也骑摩托吧
这里有个评论
Charles Clark: I am a motorcycle rider. The fact that most of the
motorcycles in that group had their tags removed or covered, is evidence of
their intent to violate the law. Why should the driver of the SUV have to
stop so they could break the law? All of the bikers involved should be
charged since they were all a part of a criminal act that resulted in these
injuries. The operator of the SUV showed considerable constraint in not
running over even more of ... 阅读全帖 |
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w********n
发帖数: 1119 | 49 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: wanglanlan (我爱王兰兰◎◎), 信区: Military
标 题: 这终身瘫痪的黑哥原来早被禁止开车直到2017年
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Oct 2 14:38:54 2013, 美东)
http://www.ibtimes.com/bikers-attack-suv-gruesome-photos-alexia
However, records show that Mieses never had a valid driver's license nor
motorcycle license.
In June, the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles notified the National
Driver Register that Mieses' right to drive in the state was revoked until
2017 for habitual traffic offenses, according to a ... 阅读全帖 |
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w********n
发帖数: 1119 | 50 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: wanglanlan (我爱王兰兰◎◎), 信区: Military
标 题: 警方说：星期天NYC的摩托车手总共超过一千人
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Oct 2 14:50:14 2013, 美东)
The bikers, part of a group called Hollywood Stuntz, were taking part in an
unauthorized road rally through Manhattan in which more than 1,000 bikers
head for Times Square, police said. |
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