f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 1 nice thought, hero tanks and folds. MP shows 79o, lol, double checks on turn
/river, and then raising this size on river is so obvious for his LAG image.
to ask this question. He would never fold a weak K at this spot. |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 2 I don't have many interesting hands to share these days. I am playing boring
poker with either small gains and small loss.
But there was one hand I played serveral weeks ago that I think may be worth
discussion.
I was playing NL2/5 table, villain was a young asian in mid 20s. He sits
down with maybe $300 chips, run up to $500ish when this hand happend. I was
sitting maybe $600 chips and had him covered. I was still down like $100-200
during the session.
villain seemed to be OK players, he didn't... 阅读全帖 |
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h******g
发帖数: 100 | 3 I like your play, he could held QJs and call your value bet on the river. As
played, I don't think he would shove with two pair so bet/fold is a good
decision on the river in my opinion. If you check and he bet 200, what will
you do? I think we save some money by betting out. In terms of his range, he
definitely could have KTs since he is getting a better odds in position on
the flop when the other player called. Also, 60$ bet on the turn seems a
little fishy to me as well.
boring
worth
was
200... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 4 I am not neccesory agree with the big bet on the flop.
A pot size bet, in this case, $80, will make the pot way to big to manage on
later street, especailly when I am OOP. I doubt it will stop some loose
player to chase gutter as well, especially there is another player called as
well, giving better odds to chase a gutter in late position.
Plus it doesn't gain much information as well. QK, QJ will have also called,
sometimes you even get called by QT. After all, ppl play those broadway
card and ... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 5 1. 我是绝对会call的，他的turn bet size 太小。很难想像有SET的时候他会BET 60
into 220. 所以我不会相信他会是SET.他如果是SET的话，flat call your flop bet很
合理。但是turn上你CHECK以后他为了在后面两条街打倒全下，肯定需要至少搞到100以
上才行。除非他能预料到在RIVER有raise你的机会。不然他的river bet会是个OVERBET
很难被CALL。
2. flop上你的SPR是6左右。除非你有READ知道敌人是千年不RAISE的石头老爷爷。TPTK
commit不会是个很大的LEAK。
3. 这么DRY的board我觉得bet half pot完全正确。在100 BB这个筹码深度。完全没有
必要bet full pot for information -- 用20个BB来换information太贵了。任何dry
board都有遇到set的可能。难道我们每次都bet full pot with a tptk and fold to a
raise? 除非对人有read,否则基本上按SPR来打就好了。 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 6 I'd call here. Your 30 river bet looked like a scary bet, and he seemed to
take an advantage of you here. You could've either checked or made a big bet
like 75-85. If he still raised you on that river, than fold. But I would
just check and then reevaluate. |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 7 Ok, you would've gotten my money then. I didn't see the backdoor flush draw
either. To me, it was a little too loose to call the 50 turn bet with just a
top pair, but you had the backdoor flush draw, so it was ok to call. Shove
200 on that river was a little too much. I just told my husband that I would
make 80 to go on the river to get more value, that's why I didn't think he
or you had trip 8.
could |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 8 An instant fold for me. You know what, my biggest leak is that I cannot fold
a strong hand. I always talk myself into calling. But this time I am 100%
sure that a fold is correct that I would throw my AAs faces up to make
villain feel bad.
Not just because a rive raise against 3-barrel is rarely a bluff. A more
reliable evidence is that villain has been tanking twice on flop and turn.
Just ask yourself -- when was the last time you tanked and reluctantly
called two bets on the flop and turn, but... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 9 he does not know you are fryking. He does not know you would fold 8x facing
2 big bets. But a lot of bad live players could call 2 big bets with top
pair and fold to second barrel with bottom pair even though 8x 3x is
probably the same after the turn bet. So in his eyes, you have a lot more
8x hands than 3x, which means a lot more hands that could have him beat
even though the sets/straight/busted draw % stays the same. More importantly, 8x actually makes sense here, while you are more likely ... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 10 Check the river. Since you already had three aces, so villain probably had
nothing. The only way to make more money on the river is checking. |
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T********n
发帖数: 528 | 11 He's playing pot control on the turn he likely has full intention to call a
river bet in fact he probably would have bet on the river after you check if
it wasn't because spades completed. Checking behind turn as opposed to
going for a bet-fold line means showdown bound so punish him. You don't
have to value bet here every time but you are at the very high end of your
range here so might as well put some chips in there. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 sure, he can have 8 10. he can also have many other missed draws. when his
river bet is so polarized. it is an easy call. but it is never 100% win.
If i don't have a pair, i would fire on the river instead of check raise.
you |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 13 如果没有pair， missed draw 那就是 3 barrel. 这次失败了， 不过我觉得思路是对
的。 很多missed draw + small pair 都会fold to river bet. 这次正好碰到对手
top range.
Merge $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players -
BTN: $100.00
SB: $139.74
BB: $136.89
Hero (UTG): $100.00
MP: $46.04
CO: $104.18
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with 8d 7d
Hero raises to $2.66, 4 folds, BB calls $1.66
Flop: ($5.82) 6s 5s 3h (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4.00, BB calls $4
Turn: ($13.82) Tc (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $9.00, BB calls $9
River: ($31.82) 6... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 river上鸟人lead $20肯定是强的，知道hero至少会call。
看人这牌打的，比那个毛驴谁river bet $65 with 2nd nuts，eligible for bad beat
，强太多了，呵呵，局面多类似啊。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 15 这牌歪打正着反而赢多了。
这villian 的river raise 其实打得不错啊, 看来打老中weak tight 还是很有心得的
。 你这里turn check 后river raise 一般看来最多就是个trip Q good kicker. 而他
有很多straight 在里面，还有他根本没法rep 的一些boat. 这个raise 基本上可以把
一般老中的AQ 都捶飞了。 没想到碰到你的top top range. 和这样的villian 玩，我
的心得就是永远记住哥的忠言：“别丢老中的脸！”
96s |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 16 I know. I said you need to snap call the river, otherwise your turn check is
pointless because you want him to bet river with weaker hands or bluff.
He
I |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 17 Yeah, you are right.
I have not thought through this hand. If villain do have PP, I can only get
2 streets of value. Assuming I check the turn, villain will probably bluff
the turn with his PP.
Against villain's full range, checking the turn is the best option.
If the turn get checked back, I will bet the river for value.
If villain fires on the turn, I can easily check/call. Regarding to the
river, I will probably call it off.
Thanks! |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 18 I don't like your bet size.
Turn bet gives villain good odds to draw. River bet gives villain chance to
min-raise bluff.
As played, river call/fold seems to be same. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 19 Could you give me your turn and river betting size, plus the reason behind.
Could you elabrate why you choose to bet/fold to river raise? |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 20 What is your turn betting size?
(I am considerring bet/fold here, because I think my hands get marginal on
the turn. That is the main reason I bet small.)
(If you bet big on the turn, and get called, what is your plan on the river?)
What is your river betting size?
(My hand is still very weak there, and I hesitate between betting and
checking there. Therefore, if I bet, I will small. On the flip side, I need
consider villain's hand strengh. If I bet big, what is villain's calling
range?)
to |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 21 If I were playing this hand, I will overbet turn and fold to a raise. If get
called ,depending on villain's style, check call river as a bluff catcher
or bet 1/2 to 2/3 pot -fold are both legit. This line maximize your EV if
you read villain well.
Safe play is bet 2/3 pot on the turn, bet 2/3 on the river. Fold if get
raised. |
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z******n
发帖数: 8851 | 22 我也见过有些老太打的非常保守，AA或KK preflop 人家都不raise，到river都boat了
，也只call，所以一般到river，遇上这种情况也小心。。。
为
all- |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 23 I would check back.
If you just call on turn, he river checks, I would bet river. |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 24 什么bluff line 合适呢？
float to river, villain check, I raise, villain bet I raise?
Raise on the flop and led out all the way to river?
各有利弊。1/2 table, against top pair, over pair, 我是不打算bluff了，成牌就
猛上， 什么line 都行， 呵呵。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 25 这个还可能fold吗？
turn上出对了就要控制pot，毕竟你不是nuts，而且没有位置。
river我会check。 |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 26 首先，赞风暴table selection. 怎么这么多鱼啊？另外，风暴的数据？
BTN post plop 之后的aggression 怎么样？ 有没有slow play set or two pairs?
在没有以上信息情况下，这牌river我会call.
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 1.0 |
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R******d
发帖数: 976 | 27 easy call here. The real test would be btn 3bet shove river. |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 28
牛星 真的是无畏无惧哇
india fliend说river push allin才是真的test，我反而觉得，如果bb真的拿着boat，
结合mm老湿的sizes，反而min raise才是统计上的maximize value。
还有 让我比较不解的是 老湿为什么2bb open，莫非是觉得对手们postflop 打得太差
故意build一个multiway pot？ |
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R******d
发帖数: 976 | 29 In this hand, if V is capable, he can bluff otr with his whole range. The
river 3bet looks like a value bet to me. I put V on KdQ. haha |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 30 KdQ 3bet on river is overplay, but it is possible some fish does this, that'
s why we need to call. |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 31 3way river reship non-nut flush???
另外我也想问2bb open这是啥情况，我在低级别也看到这种人越来越多...都是看
tourney看多了么 |
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R******d
发帖数: 976 | 32 感脚高一个level的如果拿到fh应该shove river啊 |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 33 正常人kd不会ship的。
觉得turn size有问题，但是river是个call and you beat AQ/Kd handily. boat
would raise bigger given pot/stack size |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 34 如果对手reg，那应该要fold了。如果对手鱼，我肯定靠了。对付鱼，一开始打，多靠
错几次没关系，一定要舍得花钱买信息。
我以前一同学，台面4张同花，他有张J成flush了，river raise，因为他觉得flush属
于很大的牌了。 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 35 。。。 牛星
难道我是说着玩的？
2014年哥修复的自己的一个重大的leak就是针对abc level以上的对手，减少了river
bluff catch的量，这个帮我填满了之前online NL200的大坑 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 36 我们做任何move的时候都要清楚自己为何这么做，想达到什么目的，而不是凭感觉。
当我们bet或者raise的时候，只有两个目的：for bluff, or for value。
我们来看看具体的逻辑：
如果3 bet for bluff,第一个问题：tpwk有没有必要变成bluff来打？如果是for bluff
,那肯定是想让TPGK fold，因为set和两对不可能fold。但对手如果flop call,你turn
是放弃了，还是继续bluff? 如果放弃bluff,是check call, 还是check fold？如果是
check call,那就意味着你认为对手的牌力不及tpwk，那和最初3 bet for bluff 的初
衷就矛盾了。
如果3 bet for value。第一个问题是：有什么比你差的牌会call？答案只有一个flush
draw （这里都假设对手是理性的，不是calling station之类的fish)。对手flop
call了之后，turn是不是继续大bet? 如果river 还是blank,check给对手，对手大bet,
你是不是call? 如果fo... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 37 首先讨论任何一手牌，必须假定是它会重复的。
如果假定这手牌以后不会再打，那讨论它有什么意义？
说“凶残”打法是大leak，第一，所谓“凶”其实就是overplay，overplay的问题是比
你小的被你打跑了。没打跑的是能赢你的。
第二，这种打法很容易被别人exploit。
别人怎么对付你？一是提高call你的比例。二是慢打强牌。
慢打强牌就是埋伏你。对别人是正常打法，对你就是故意示弱。
所以在EPN 50NL有些这种凶残打法的，都死的快。
有一次一个牌手这么打一两次后，台上其他牌手对上他全都慢打强牌。
有一手牌他大bet后，3个人call，其中一个top pair，一个两对，一个set，都在埋伏
他。他不打3个都不动。最后这3个互相火并。LOL。
还有一次我碰到这样一个对手，他raise别人两次bet后，我碰上他就check 所
有强牌。后面有两手牌，我一次straight，一次set，跟他两人一直check到river
showdown，他都没敢bet。但是他看到我这两次show hands，立马离台走人。
这种打法如果在live能work，那是因为live牌手应对能力不足。
说o... 阅读全帖 |
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g******n
发帖数: 53185 | 38 主要看对手。如果对手一直很紧，一般不怎么进pot，他river再bet基本都是中了。那
些比较松的人river也许是bluff，一般bluff会上的比较大，不想让你call。 |
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g******n
发帖数: 53185 | 39 主要看对手。如果对手一直很紧，一般不怎么进pot，他river再bet基本都是中了。那
些比较松的人river也许是bluff，一般bluff会上的比较大，不想让你call。 |
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S********t
发帖数: 18987 | 40 【 以下文字转载自 Outdoors 讨论区 】
发信人: SurfingCat (冲浪肥猫), 信区: Outdoors
标 题: 瀑布控的五月--(1)Columbia River Gorge
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jun 5 02:03:41 2009, 美东)
瀑布控的五月--(1)Columbia River Gorge
一直以为最美丽的景色都和自然的元素力量有关,比如说火,火元素的力量的展现当属火
山, 而风元素的力量比如说飓风,都有很多人专门去FAN这些景观.地球上70%都是水面,
自然力量最强大的是水元素了,雪山啊冰川啊,也都是水元素力量展现,我最饭的就是水
元素了. 而水最肆意最不约束的展现就是瀑布了,
我想你一定看过魔戒吧,当美女Arwen轻声召唤水精灵,水面激荡起来,水花如同马群奔腾
着,这样的场景在瀑布你就可以看见了.
五月,鲜花开满了原野,而瀑布也是最好的季节,作为骨灰级别的瀑布控,自然不能错过去
看瀑布.
这个五月,我们大约大大小小看了几十个瀑布,挑一些说一说.
月初我们去的是OREGON,追随着CLARK AND LEWIS的脚步, |
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t******o
发帖数: 27 | 41 【 以下文字转载自 Seattle 讨论区 】
发信人: tiaotiao (木木~大苍蝇，我们还缺个柜子), 信区: Seattle
标 题: Mt Rainier Sunrise & white river campground的问题
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Jul 24 19:29:00 2010, 美东)
Sunrise是不是顾名思义是个看日出的地方吗？如果去看，在white river camping 会不
会太冷 （大概八月下旬去)？那里好像没有什么Motel可以住. |
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x*******5
发帖数: 152 | 42 Road Trip到了大峡谷，第一天在上面走了一圈，看了几个著名的Point，但是很是不够
给力，从上面看太平淡了，因为我们一路开过Rocky Mountain和Moab周围的Red Rock
Mountain还有Monument Valley都是非常精彩的，大峡谷这么一比却是一般，于是我们
决定第二天去hiking。。。
先说结果：第二天，20 miles (32km), 13小时45分钟，最高温度45度，海拔上下
4000ft（
1300米），最后我和老婆评价：这个已经不是自虐，接近自杀的经历了。但是我们人品
好，得到很多好人相助，最后胜利登顶。所以在las vegas，老婆说坚决不去casino，
人品要用在关键的时候。
路线是从south kaibab trail下山，7miles，然后过colorado river, 再从bright
angle trail 上山，9.7miles，准备东西大量的食物，4.5L水，然后早上6：35我们下
峡谷了。下山很容易，3个小时到底，中间的风景比山上好太多了。到达峡谷底下的
resthouse, 休息半小时。中间碰到巡查的ranger, ... 阅读全帖 |
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o*4
发帖数: 417 | 43 Illinois river
20D 18-55, every image was blended with two images
comments are appreciated.
Dock
Beautiful place for picnic
Boat
A bottle
To the river |
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o*4
发帖数: 417 | 44 This was my second time getting up early to take photos on the river after
we moved down here. On the hills by the river there will be a lot of poppy
flowers, so I will go there again during spring time.
5D 17-40 CPL GND & ND |
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e***r
发帖数: 10 | 45 moon river
wider than a mile
i'm crossing you in style some day
oh dream maker
you heart breaker
wherever you're going, i'm going your way
two drifters
off to see the world
there's such a lot of world to see
we're after the same rainbow's ends
waiting round the bend
my huckle-berry friend
moon river and me... |
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D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 46 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm1g8FFRArc
By the rivers of Babylon
Where we sat down
There we wept
When we remembered Zion
For the wicked
Carried us away captivity
Requiring from us a song
How can we sing a song of joy in a
strange land (repeat)
So let the
Words of our mouths
and the meditations of our hearts
be acceptable in Thy sight
here tonight (repeat)
By the rivers of Babylon
Where we sat down
There we wept
When we remembered Zion |
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m**t
发帖数: 98 | 47 __________________________________
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from The Wall Street
Journal
Jan. 15, 2009
A US Airways Jet went down into the Hudson
River off of New York City. TV images showed the plane in the river with
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For more information, please see: http://online.wsj.
com/home/us?mod=djemalertNEWS
The article link above is also mobile
friendly. Mobile users, click the link to see this story now.
__________________________________
ADVERTIS |
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c**r
发帖数: 2019 | 48 响应暖暖的号召, 偶也贴一首。刚到北京上研究生的时候听过的。当时的感觉就是难以名
状的nostalgia. 来美国半年以后再听，眼泪差点儿就流下来了。唉，没出息。
By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down,
ye-eah we wept, when we remembered Zion.
By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down,
ye-eah we wept, when we remembered Zion.
When the wicked carried us away in captivity,
required from us a song.
Now how shall we sing the lord's song in a strange land?
(repeat the section above)
Let the words of our mouth and the meditations of our heart,
be acceptable in thy sight her |
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s*r
发帖数: 2757 | 49 http://invivoblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/deals-of-week-waits-for-bear-hug.html
Shanghai's WuXi PharmaTech has been abandoned by the Massachusetts-
headquartered Charles River Laboratories on the eve of the two contract
research organizations' merger. To halt a nascent rebellion by shareholders
who were set to vote on the merger one week from now, Charles River called
off its $1.6 billion pursuit of WuXi and will instead pay China's leading
drug research outfit a $30 million breakup fee. It’s not |
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l*******4
发帖数: 133 | 50 准备ee phd毕业裸奔加州找工作了, 我是学无线通信和数字信号处理的. 请问大家裸奔
住在river side怎么样阿? 还是一定要到硅谷边上呢. (主要是考虑到花费问题,呵呵,
river side感觉相对低些, 且有熟人). 谢谢大家建议. |
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