N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 1
TARP had to go through both Congress and Senate before Bush signed on
it in 2008, and Obama voted YES on it as a Senator. Get a clue, idiot. |
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 2 no.
People believe in big government and entitlements are not true conservatives.
No surprising.
【 fringster (挖坑总是用力过猛) 的大作中提到: 】 |
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S*********n
发帖数: 4050 | 3 True conservatives never ever lived.
conservatives.
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 4 Libs always think they know all. |
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S*********n
发帖数: 4050 | 5 准备match WB 的捐款不？talk is cheap
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 6 算了吧,也不要wb match了.
你不如让他跟你一样先stardard deduction吧...
哈哈... |
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S*********n
发帖数: 4050 | 7 你笑得象鸭子。你总是这么贱吗？
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 8 why you are always so angry? |
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 9 I don't believe in Big Hearts.
I have no intention to be Big Hearts.
And I don't expect/force others to be Big Hearts. |
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发帖数: 4050 | 10 不奇怪啊。现在还有保守人士相信萨达姆有WMD, 奥巴马是穆斯林，夏威夷是外国领土
，TARP是奥巴马搞的
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 11 June 27, 2012 by Warner Todd Huston
At around 130 days until Election Day, National Public Radio thought it
would be nice to give the President a little boost by going back to its 2008
practice of assigning to Obama the god-like powers of The One, The Light
Bringer, The Obammessiah.
This time tax dollar supported NPR thought it would be nice to air the claim
that the mere sound of Obama’s voice can part the clouds, stop that
depressing ol’ rain, and bring out the sun. No, really.
On Tuesday, J... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4321 | 12 According to the Wisconsin Republican Liberty Caucus, the Wisconsin
congressman actually voted with the Bush Administration’s agenda of
unprecedented federal expansion 94% of the time, and it may surprise his
fiscally conservative fans to know that Paul Ryan’s voting record includes
votes for the TARP bailouts, the auto bailouts, the massive Bush Medicare
expansion, the unprecedented federal intrusion into public education via No
Child Left Behind, the 2008 stimulus package, and the $192B 2009 s... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 13 By: John Hayward
8/16/2012 10:17 AM
President Obama loves to tout the General Motors bailout as the signature “
achievement” of his presidency, even though current taxpayer losses on the
deal are estimated at over $25 billion. The exact degree to which the rest
of us got soaked so Obama could give GM to his union allies changes
constantly as the value of the stock held by We the People fluctuates. You
don’t remember being asked if you would like to become a GM stockholder and
willingly acc... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4321 | 15 Are you are tarp or tard?
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P*********0
发帖数: 4321 | 16 你个TARP大傻逼
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P*********0
发帖数: 4321 | 17 你个TARP大傻逼
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P*********0
发帖数: 4321 | 18 还有个现任黑嫂子。
还支持TARP
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P*********0
发帖数: 4321 | 19 TARP is Bush's poster child. Democrat supported it.
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c****y
发帖数: 418 | 20 而是加税的理由不成立，诸如：
政府没钱了，所以加税（这是循环论证，我没钱了，所以你口袋里剩下的钱是我的）
不加税就要减福利（减福利有错吗？经济不好私营部门都在减薪＋裁员，福利为什么只
能加不能减？）
不加税就要减国防（教育、科研等等）（你说清楚你的优先顺序是什么，怎么减，减多
少，为什么你认为可以这样减。大伙如果支持你就放手去干，不支持你大不了不干了，
换能干而且愿意干的，不要象现在这样拿个大帽子吓唬人）
不加税就没钱刺激经济（放P，08年TARP的钱用到哪去了？连个水花也没见着，还好意
思再来要） |
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发帖数: 4321 | 21 TARP, what's wrong with you?
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 22 Obama voted for tarp you idiot
Lol |
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P*********0
发帖数: 4321 | 23 I'm not against tarp, idiot.
your ideology is against it.
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M********g
发帖数: 717 | 24 按照你的理论，难道现在的crisis不是里根搞出来的么。60年代富人交高税的时候经济
这么好。再往前推，卡特经济搞得这么烂，实在是和泡沫不沾边啊。
正确的理论是，经济危机不可避免，但是如何对待，才是技术活。布什的错误在于他推
出了TARP来救市，完全违背了市场经济的原则。 政府应该坐等股市崩溃，快速跌倒100
点后，直接V型反转，这样09年的时候，S&P就已经反转上升到 100+（1400-100）*2=
2700点了。 |
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M********g
发帖数: 717 | 25 来来来，你告诉我，09年以前在位的共和党里面，有几个是fiscally responsible的，
Koch brothers的宝贝Paul Ryan都是vote for TARP的。
跟你说，你业务不熟练，tea party的主流说法是，现在在位的，都不合格。那叫
career politician。都要滚下来。
guess |
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M********g
发帖数: 717 | 27 啊， 你现在支持TARP啦。完蛋了，看来你永远没法成为真正地tea party了。为你惋惜。 |
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P*********0
发帖数: 4321 | 28 Ryan is a TARP guy. He is not your cocaine at all.
grains
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P*********0
发帖数: 4321 | 29 I don't think TARP is a good word in T-bags' dictionary at all
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P*********0
发帖数: 4321 | 30 小唐啊，知道啥是TARP不？
哈哈。尼玛你笑死个银。 |
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P*********0
发帖数: 4321 | 31 Tarp。
泥马你个唐氏儿。
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 32 by Rick aka Mr. Brutally Honest
Ok... the first quote is accurate, the second is my taking artistic license
with what the CBO actually said... sue me:
President Barack Obama said on Thursday that “we got back every dime we
used to rescue the financial system."
According to the Congressional Budget Office, however, the government
will lose about $24 billion on the bailout.
“We got back every dime we used to rescue the financial system, but we
also passed a historic law to end taxpayer... 阅读全帖 |
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a*********a
发帖数: 3656 | 33 I posted a couple weeks ago about the profit and loss in TARP.
basically the original program to stablize banking and AIG dispensed about
340B and so far got back 320B with returned principle plus interest,
dividend and appreciation in the assets purchased. Future returns are
expected. so it is very likely this part of the program as originally
designed by Hank Paulson under Bush with democratic support will break even.
the part that was allocated after Obama came into power to rescue the
autom... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********p
发帖数: 272 | 34 translated by google with a few corrections
被挥霍掉的总统职位
By Victor Davis Hanson
奥巴马的说法是，他继承了记忆中最糟的摊子，并且一直以来受到党派国会的阻碍 -
而同时发生的一切事情包括从最新的ATM技术到日本海啸都在背叛他。但这些说法是不
是真的呢？
美国总统奥巴马进入办公室的时候支持率超过70％。约翰·麦凯恩的竞选班子已经贫血
，而且在那时看来, 他几乎是注定要输给这位全国首位非洲裔总统提名候选人的。
1%的巨头在那时纷纷表示欢迎奥巴马。Steve Wynn, Donald Trump, and Mort
Zuckerman现在炮轰奥巴马，但四年前，他们似乎发现他就是拯救大家于乔治·W·布什
的救世主。Christopher Buckley 和后来的Christopher Hitchens 公开支持他。共和
党人像科林·鲍威尔，麦克莱伦和Doug Kmiec在公众面前给与他支持。我们大家的印象
是,正如David Frum, David Brooks, and Peggy Noonan 所写的：他们用眨眼和点头欢... 阅读全帖 |
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 37 and pooper, in case you dont know, obama voted for tarp, so shut up. |
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a*********a
发帖数: 3656 | 38 TARP was total 450B and has gotten more than 350B back. Saved the financial
system, and bailed out GM.
ARRA is 800B down the ditch and we are still in the ditch. |
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C****n
发帖数: 2324 | 39 靠， 看来我选共和党是选对了。 金融危机发生时， 我老的态度也是这样。
People need to learn a lesson from the crisis, and bear the consequences of
their action.
Stimulus and tarp has too much moral risk. 现在多少人的世界观给颠覆了， 原来
做错了不用承担责任， 原来政府鼓励冒险， 惩罚那些真正为自己为社会负责的人。
长远来看， 这个世界观危机对人类危害更大。 危机一下有什么了不起的。 |
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C****n
发帖数: 2324 | 40 Don't get personal buddy, you have no idea。这是一个moral issue.
更何况我老一直认为， 优胜劣汰。 只有经济不好的时候， 大浪淘沙， 优质企业剩下
来。 倒闭的企业本来就应该倒闭。
你没见经济好的时候阿猫阿狗都能找到工作， 这本来就不正常， 多少人在混日子。经
济危机一来， 只有真正有能力的员工和企业家才能生存下来。 这才是正常状态。
泡沫时代混水摸鱼的太多。不利于经济长期发展。dotcom泡沫时代随便培训两星期java
就找到一个年薪八万的工作， 让多少学物理化学的郁闷啊。
Besides, I never thought the crisis is serious. It is just a bubble need to
bust, sooner or later. Now the government want everybody pay for it. The
fair way is: who ever screwed up his own life, should pay himself. No
fucking bailo... 阅读全帖 |
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C****n
发帖数: 2324 | 41 Make sense. Tarp, stimulus, ..., won't help at all.
Let people run their business, government don't do anything but maintain the
police and military and justice department.
I guess I am a libertarian after all, not exactly a republican. |
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y***r
发帖数: 16594 | 42 it is all Bush's fault. He should let WS go, he should not sign the 700B
Tarp. |
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a*********a
发帖数: 3656 | 43 hahaha. I see you v been watching Jon Stewart again!
Seriously, comedy is comedy. You can't base your political view on Comedy
Central.
Now if you read Hank Paulson's book , however selfserving the
book is, it is stressed many times when Paulson, Bernanke and Geithner
designed Tarp and other rescue plans for the financial system, protecting
the tax payers was one of the top concerns.
the government is not in the business of take risk and gain returns.
Bain Capital can be proud if t... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 48111 | 44 fed印了3次钱(tarp + QE 1 + QE 2)都没有解决磁带的问题。 有毒资产继续包裹在胶
囊里。 现在干脆unlimited买mbs了。
银行当然只能是为银行服务的。
fed这上面， 两党谁上台都没区别。 要么加税要么印钞。
美国的金融地位破产在即， 美国没有大的政治军事行动， 可能10年就看见了。
林毅夫刚呼唤纸黄金， 不知道会不会继科恩之后也被做掉。 |
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a*********a
发帖数: 3656 | 45 what is your source?
my source is treasury TARP daily summary report. as of 7/25/2012. AIFP (Auto
Industry FInancing Program) : 79.69B spent, 40.63B Total Cash back.
http://www.treasury.gov/initiatives/financial-stability/briefin
the 27B loss is on GM alone, you forgot the 1B loss on Chrysler, 10B loss on
GMAC (the financing branch of GM, without which GM could not sell cars)
if you look at the reports carefully, the Banks paid 15B alone in dividends
to the treasury, gave the tax payer warrants ... 阅读全帖 |
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P*********0
发帖数: 4321 | 46 bullshit.
if Bush policy continued, this number will be much higher.
you obviously forgot how Bush panicked when the market collapsed and he
turned to democrat for help to pass his TARP.
your forefather Reagan said, "deficit doesn't matter". |
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发帖数: 21627 | 47 By DAVID A. STOCKMAN
GREENWICH, Conn. -- The Dow Jones and Standard & Poor’s 500 indexes reached
record highs on Thursday, having completely erased the losses since the
stock market’s last peak, in 2007. But instead of cheering, we should be
very afraid.
David Stockman
Over the last 13 years, the stock market has twice crashed and touched off a
recession: American households lost $5 trillion in the 2000 dot-com bust
and more than $7 trillion in the 2007 housing crash. Sooner or later —
within a ... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | 48 Speeding his car into the crowd after surveying the Venice beach leisurely
scene
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/04/venice-beach-crash-vid
Venice Beach Crash Video Shows Accident That Killed 1, Injured 11
By TAMI ABDOLLAH and ANDREW DALTON 08/04/13 02:20 PM ET EDT AP
LOS ANGELES — Police arrested a man on suspicion of murder after a driver
plowed into crowds at the Venice Beach boardwalk, a seemingly intentional
hit-and-run that killed an Italian woman on her honeymoon and injured 11
othe... 阅读全帖 |
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d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 49 主要的原因是， top 1% 的利益， 简单通过社会改良是无法触动的。
中国改革和美国dem的实践都证明了这一点。 法国现在的共产化也是一样。 资本无
国界。
即使用暴力革命都不一定成功， 譬如英国的君主立宪。
更好的解决办法是促进社会流动。 一代人搞不定的事情， 用两三代人来实现。 这
也是早几百年美国之所以兴旺发达的基础。 没有欧洲各种贵族体系的滞绊， 只要你
有本事， 你就有机会发家。
一定的经济自由度和孕育中产的土壤是必须的。 大政府在保护大资本（tarp)上不遗
余力， 从经济竞争角度就是劫贫济富， 小银行纷纷倒闭， 大银行靠着fed的印钞
泡泡苟延残喘。 中产财富大幅缩水， 创业能力和机会不断缩小。
相信早十几年来美国的索南， 说起美国梦来， 并不是太joke的。 而现在的年代，
一个人白手创业的机会是大了还是少了？
反对08ma不一定代笔就是支持小布什。 从某种程度上来说， 两个都是扩大政府盘剥
中产的罪魁祸首， 只不过背后的财阀和利用的手段不同而已。
还有一个区别就是， 08ma败家的速度， 实在太快了一点。 |
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b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 50 参议院又一项功能是confirm部长和法官。
所有和开支有关的法案，要来自众议院。不过现在这条问题不大，因为现在走非
regular order,都是附在另外一个法案上的。比如著名的TARP就是附在别的上面通过的。 |
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