b******k
发帖数: 1773 | 1 在BBO, 怎么可以看一个player的累计rating啊？
以前在okbridge上打牌， 可以看看rating, 估计一下同伴对手是什么水平。 在BBO上
， 怎么解决这个问题的？ | m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 2 以前okbridge上面打match point都是, 结果就是一个%. 这个长期的rating就可以直
接用.
bbo上面好像都打imp, 这样就比较难分别一个打了一年的60%player和打了十年的55%
player.
我猜的.
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: 在BBO, 怎么可以看一个player的累计rating啊？
: 以前在okbridge上打牌， 可以看看rating, 估计一下同伴对手是什么水平。 在BBO上
: ， 怎么解决这个问题的？
| b******k
发帖数: 1773 | 3 BBO和OKBRIDGE都有MP和IMP， 积分也可以是分开的
刚刚才开始在BBO上打牌， 还是瞒喜欢的， 就是不满意没有individual rating | d****i
发帖数: 90 | 4
一是自封等级,鄙人极鄙视之;
二是自提醒自解释叫牌,极端有违桥道.
最不能忍受的是BBO还为此自得.
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: BBO和OKBRIDGE都有MP和IMP， 积分也可以是分开的
: 刚刚才开始在BBO上打牌， 还是瞒喜欢的， 就是不满意没有individual rating
| a***n
发帖数: 287 | 5
Totally agree, even though I rate myself as "expert" :)
Not really. It's called self alert, but it's to alert to opponents, not
partner. So there's nothing wrong about it. Maybe only problem is that
after you are used to it you will get the problem of late in alert or
fail to alert in live bridge.
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
:
: 一是自封等级,鄙人极鄙视之;
: 二是自提醒自解释叫牌,极端有违桥道.
: 最不能忍受的是BBO还为此自得.
| a***n
发帖数: 287 | 6 Basically BBO is using a system of self rating plus accumulative masterpoint
earned, which is absolutely ridiculous. Guess the best way to know a player
is to try him/her yourself and see how s/he matches with you. You can take
the self rating as a reference, but unless it's intermediate, anything above
should be taken as one level lower.
Meanwhile, here is a link for checking players' hand record and statistics,
which may help you a bit in getting to know individuals:
http://online.bridgebase.c
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: BBO和OKBRIDGE都有MP和IMP， 积分也可以是分开的
: 刚刚才开始在BBO上打牌， 还是瞒喜欢的， 就是不满意没有individual rating
| d****i
发帖数: 90 | 7
我没有说我为什么认为自提醒解释有违桥道.
并不是因为提醒解释了同伴可以听见,恰恰相反,BBO提供的正常提醒解释渠道是只能通
达对方,而不是同伴.这是在线桥牌绝对优于一般牌桌上的口头提醒解释之处,BBO实现得
好.
对方有权利得到和同伴同等的信息,但没有权利得到比同伴更多的信息.提醒解释的内容
应该是自己和同伴的约定及系统性的习惯,但是在BBO被规定为向对方描述自己叫品所表
达的牌,这就保证了存在对方得到的信息大于同伴得到信息(即不公平)的可能,而且越临
时的搭档不公平的可能性越大.BBO却说这样做是因为搭档往往是临时的.我想它的逻辑
是"临时搭档-->约定不全不准-->解释同伴叫牌不准,所以不能解释同伴的叫牌,而要解释自己的叫牌
",但既然"约定不全不准"是前提,"解释同伴不准"恰恰就成了"最准确"的,因为它如实反
映了自己对同伴叫牌的理解,因而使自己和对方三个人对同伴传达的信息理解一致,不多
不少.
真不知道为什么BBO一定要坚持用和真正桥牌不一样的提醒和解释.我能想到的唯一理由
就是BBO假设如果规定解释约定,人们会作弊,说没有约定或胡乱解释,而被发现后推说是
临时搭档不熟.以防
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: Basically BBO is using a system of self rating plus accumulative masterpoint
: earned, which is absolutely ridiculous. Guess the best way to know a player
: is to try him/her yourself and see how s/he matches with you. You can take
: the self rating as a reference, but unless it's intermediate, anything above
: should be taken as one level lower.
: Meanwhile, here is a link for checking players' hand record and statistics,
: which may help you a bit in getting to know individuals:
: http://online.bridgebase.c
| m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 8 这个我不太同意. 如果你没有和同伴有约定, 不说就好了. 如果你一定要把你搭档不
知道的信息传递给对手, 那是你的事情.
回到牌桌上, 如果你搭档对你的叫牌做了错误的解释, 你和他原则上就需要按照两个不
同的理解继续往下叫牌, 叫到后面, 其实四个人都知道是怎么回事了, 就是你们两个需
要装傻. 这个不比bbo来得有利.
解释自己的叫牌
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
:
: 我没有说我为什么认为自提醒解释有违桥道.
: 并不是因为提醒解释了同伴可以听见,恰恰相反,BBO提供的正常提醒解释渠道是只能通
: 达对方,而不是同伴.这是在线桥牌绝对优于一般牌桌上的口头提醒解释之处,BBO实现得
: 好.
: 对方有权利得到和同伴同等的信息,但没有权利得到比同伴更多的信息.提醒解释的内容
: 应该是自己和同伴的约定及系统性的习惯,但是在BBO被规定为向对方描述自己叫品所表
: 达的牌,这就保证了存在对方得到的信息大于同伴得到信息(即不公平)的可能,而且越临
: 时的搭档不公平的可能性越大.BBO却说这样做是因为搭档往往是临时的.我想它的逻辑
: 是"临时搭档-->约定不全不准-->解释同伴叫牌不准,所以不能解释同伴的叫牌,而要解释自己的叫牌
| o*******n
发帖数: 6500 | 9 你认为没有约定的，可以不提醒的
解释自己的叫牌
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
:
: 我没有说我为什么认为自提醒解释有违桥道.
: 并不是因为提醒解释了同伴可以听见,恰恰相反,BBO提供的正常提醒解释渠道是只能通
: 达对方,而不是同伴.这是在线桥牌绝对优于一般牌桌上的口头提醒解释之处,BBO实现得
: 好.
: 对方有权利得到和同伴同等的信息,但没有权利得到比同伴更多的信息.提醒解释的内容
: 应该是自己和同伴的约定及系统性的习惯,但是在BBO被规定为向对方描述自己叫品所表
: 达的牌,这就保证了存在对方得到的信息大于同伴得到信息(即不公平)的可能,而且越临
: 时的搭档不公平的可能性越大.BBO却说这样做是因为搭档往往是临时的.我想它的逻辑
: 是"临时搭档-->约定不全不准-->解释同伴叫牌不准,所以不能解释同伴的叫牌,而要解释自己的叫牌
| a***n
发帖数: 287 | 10 Yes, and upon query say "No agreement", or "Not dicussed".
【在 o*******n 的大作中提到】
: 你认为没有约定的，可以不提醒的
:
: 解释自己的叫牌
| | | d****i
发帖数: 90 | 11
我更不同意,问题是BBO里说"没约定"是要被踢出去的,不是说个人开的桌,我很肯定这是多数比赛如ACBL之类的正式场合的规则.我没被踢过,但读过多次这样的规则,被警告过多次,愤然退出过多次,因为拒绝解释约定之外的牌情.
如果解释/提醒限于己方约定习惯而不是自己手里的牌,我就没意见了.
当然,解释绝对不应该同伴听见的,牌桌上是限于技术原因没办法(有幕布好些).我说过
了,BBO的解释通道本身是优于牌桌的,是它的解释方和解释内容错误.
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: 这个我不太同意. 如果你没有和同伴有约定, 不说就好了. 如果你一定要把你搭档不
: 知道的信息传递给对手, 那是你的事情.
: 回到牌桌上, 如果你搭档对你的叫牌做了错误的解释, 你和他原则上就需要按照两个不
: 同的理解继续往下叫牌, 叫到后面, 其实四个人都知道是怎么回事了, 就是你们两个需
: 要装傻. 这个不比bbo来得有利.
:
: 解释自己的叫牌
| b******k
发帖数: 1773 | 12 我对BBO的alert规定没什么意见。
我就是不喜欢和2个不会打牌的对手打牌 :p | b******k
发帖数: 1773 | 13 The link is very useful. Thanks!
I find out I can't trust the self-rating at all. I have played againgst "
advanced" players, who have no idea of negative X or simple ruff/sluff.
I think they should just provide the accumulative/average MP and IMP scores
of each player in his/her profile. The similar system in okbridge works
really nicely.
masterpoint
player
above
,
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: Basically BBO is using a system of self rating plus accumulative masterpoint
: earned, which is absolutely ridiculous. Guess the best way to know a player
: is to try him/her yourself and see how s/he matches with you. You can take
: the self rating as a reference, but unless it's intermediate, anything above
: should be taken as one level lower.
: Meanwhile, here is a link for checking players' hand record and statistics,
: which may help you a bit in getting to know individuals:
: http://online.bridgebase.c
| a***n
发帖数: 287 | 14
是多数比赛如ACBL之类的正式场合的规则.我没被踢过,但读过多次这样的规则,被警告
过多次,愤然退出过多次,因为拒绝解释约定之外的牌情.
I guess you have some misunderstanding here. BBO policy is "Each pair have
to have an agreed convention card, otherwise the default sayc CC should be
their CC". I personally think this policy is reasonable, 'cos playing with
someone you don't quite know without a cc (any cc, as long as I know what
we suppose to do) is absolutely a pain.
On the other hand, there are several very stupid directors on BBO. Some of
their rulings ar
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
:
: 我更不同意,问题是BBO里说"没约定"是要被踢出去的,不是说个人开的桌,我很肯定这是多数比赛如ACBL之类的正式场合的规则.我没被踢过,但读过多次这样的规则,被警告过多次,愤然退出过多次,因为拒绝解释约定之外的牌情.
: 如果解释/提醒限于己方约定习惯而不是自己手里的牌,我就没意见了.
: 当然,解释绝对不应该同伴听见的,牌桌上是限于技术原因没办法(有幕布好些).我说过
: 了,BBO的解释通道本身是优于牌桌的,是它的解释方和解释内容错误.
| d****i
发帖数: 90 | 15
为什么提到BBO关于CC规定?我对它没有反对没有反感没有误会啊.我说的是BBO关于
alert和explanations either offered upon being asked or annotated to the
alerted bid的规定,清楚了吧?
有无CC,用什么缺省(default)CC的规则,和提醒解释怎么进行的规则没什么关系.就算是你们用的FD的CC,或者是声称或缺省用了SAYC,opps还是会问你,你也还是逃不了alert/explain.
如果是用户对BBO的提醒和解释规则的误读(假设BBO没有说的解释"没约定"非法),也决
不是个别人,而是普遍性共识性的.BBO没有澄清,表明这不是误读.另外,BBO中ACBL牌手
甚至裁判不在少数,大家一致遵从这样愚蠢的体制,也说明是BBO的本意(如果有朋友能找
到BBO的正式规定,我就不必这么推测了)
承认存在乱裁不懂的人.
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
:
: 是多数比赛如ACBL之类的正式场合的规则.我没被踢过,但读过多次这样的规则,被警告
: 过多次,愤然退出过多次,因为拒绝解释约定之外的牌情.
: I guess you have some misunderstanding here. BBO policy is "Each pair have
: to have an agreed convention card, otherwise the default sayc CC should be
: their CC". I personally think this policy is reasonable, 'cos playing with
: someone you don't quite know without a cc (any cc, as long as I know what
: we suppose to do) is absolutely a pain.
: On the other hand, there are several very stupid directors on BBO. Some of
: their rulings ar
| b******k
发帖数: 1773 | 16 最近在上面连着打了几次free tournaments, 感觉还不错。 | w****b
发帖数: 623 | 17 The idea of BBO is not to have rating so cheating will become completely
pointless, and it hopefully will be more friendly.
If you look for really competitive games, don't play with/against unknown pd
/oppo. It probably takes a while to develop a list of people you feel
comfortable playing with/against.
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: 在BBO, 怎么可以看一个player的累计rating啊？
: 以前在okbridge上打牌， 可以看看rating, 估计一下同伴对手是什么水平。 在BBO上
: ， 怎么解决这个问题的？
| d****i
发帖数: 90 | 18
well, i have to say that it's quite successful, turning daily BBO games very
social, and pleased the majority because everyone gets to be an expert+++.
pd
this may be one of their achievements too---you have to play long enough to
find some good games, supposing you are efficient enough in building up your
list of friends. this doesn't work for me because i am only good at
identifying enemies :))
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: The idea of BBO is not to have rating so cheating will become completely
: pointless, and it hopefully will be more friendly.
: If you look for really competitive games, don't play with/against unknown pd
: /oppo. It probably takes a while to develop a list of people you feel
: comfortable playing with/against.
| b******k
发帖数: 1773 | 19 haha, me 2, I already have several IDs on my black list. | b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 20 All people on my black list are self-claimed experts. I am very tolerant to
people who are novices and claim they are novices. Self-claimed experts who
play worse than novices are the worst kind. They typically also try to
accuse partners for the mistakes they made. Unfortunately this list has gone
extremely long these days.
I think BBO is a fair platform for set games (and for vugraph). But it is
really a horrible place for people trying to learn and advance. I personally
learned the game on ok | | | b****t
发帖数: 114 | 21
I personally rated myself as "expert" only because I hope can play with good
players. If you rated as intermediate or novice, then the change would be
slim.
Well, I hope I am not on your list though. :)
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: haha, me 2, I already have several IDs on my black list.
| d****i
发帖数: 90 | 22 想得太对了."专家"是暗藏的敌人,所以发现了一定要记住,免得浪费时间.
OKBridge认真,BBO就是大众娱乐.
to
who
gone
personally
expert
life
the
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: All people on my black list are self-claimed experts. I am very tolerant to
: people who are novices and claim they are novices. Self-claimed experts who
: play worse than novices are the worst kind. They typically also try to
: accuse partners for the mistakes they made. Unfortunately this list has gone
: extremely long these days.
: I think BBO is a fair platform for set games (and for vugraph). But it is
: really a horrible place for people trying to learn and advance. I personally
: learned the game on ok
| j*******e
发帖数: 2168 | 23 Besides people you know and trust, you may want to kibitz those rated as "
World Class" and have a yellow star attached to their ID.
to
who
gone
personally
expert
life
the
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: All people on my black list are self-claimed experts. I am very tolerant to
: people who are novices and claim they are novices. Self-claimed experts who
: play worse than novices are the worst kind. They typically also try to
: accuse partners for the mistakes they made. Unfortunately this list has gone
: extremely long these days.
: I think BBO is a fair platform for set games (and for vugraph). But it is
: really a horrible place for people trying to learn and advance. I personally
: learned the game on ok
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