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MedicalCareer版 - 2015麦地末日?假的!
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今天看完NRMP 报表JAMA:No More IMGs for Residency Training Programs After 2015
IMG Performance in the 2012 Match好/坏消息
IMG Performance in the 2013 Match from The ECFMG Reporter谈谈今年我们program (IM) 的MATCH情况
cheer up. match number is increasing for IMG.CMG医生服务的医疗机构类型的统计
a JAMA article: 对 IMG 前景的预测Q about state temporary licence application
If you want to take USMLE, take it as soon as possible赶紧抓机会match吧
IMG 2013 match rate increased 7%to make an educated judgement--let discuss why residency match is difficult this year
2012 IMG match performance 出来了。transfer 一问
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D******D
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嘎嘎,这个话题近期貌似灰常滴火,人气直追麦地光荣榜。偶实在忍不住(中毒太深,
网瘾太重:),也爬过来不负责任滴说两句^_^
梦话版不靠谱分析,如有雷同,不胜荣幸。
现在都讲Evidence Based Medicine,另外国内315正好在打假,偶也来打一把假LOL
结论:2015麦地末日是一派胡言,长期来看,米国医生就业形势看好,PCP需求量大大
增加,短期来看CMG match率会稍有波动,但波动不会太大,波动幅度取决于米国国会
滴工作效率。
1. 2015麦地末日
最近2015麦地末日一说炒滴很火,原因无他,JAMA牛文里面写着呢(1)。不过童鞋们
唏嘘之余心里肯定会有点疑惑,貌似今年好多CMGmatch啦,麦地就有60个呢,咋两年以
后就没活路了呢?但疑惑归疑惑,JAMA都说了,肯定米有错啦。不过呢,其实JAMA牛文
是写给国会看滴,不是写给CMG看滴。所以2015麦地末日其实是一派胡言。如果大家仔
细读一下文章,会发现2015麦地末日滴结论是来自2011年一篇NEJM上滴牛文 (2)。牛
文中引用了一位名字叫Thomas Nasca滴很牛滴童鞋滴一句话:"We estimate that we
will see domestic production of medical school graduates functionally
surpass our current total number of GME postgraduate year-one pipeline
positions by 2015 or sooner"。但是如果大家注意一下这篇牛文中唯一滴一个
Figure1滴话,会发现,根据预测,就算IMG童鞋们都灰常有礼貌,给所有滴DO和AMG让
路,那么到2020年,还是会有几千个位置留给IMG滴。所以2015麦地末日其实是不成立
滴,童鞋们莫要惊慌^_^ Nasca童鞋滴这就话几经周折在麦地引起了很大滴影响,不过
他滴本意是要鞭策国会滴童鞋们努力工作早日解决CMG劳苦大众滴温饱,所以咱们姑且
不要罚他站啦,扣掉一朵小红花就OK啦。
2.长期分析:
关于米国滴医生短缺,AMA讲滴很清楚,2015,缺62900人,2025,缺130000人。(作为
参考,目前米国医生总数80万左右)所以童鞋们滴就业前景是一片大好啊@_^
当然PA和RN可以分担一部分PCP滴工作,但是能分担多少实在是值得讨论,偶记得貌似
米国RN也是短缺滴。
3. 短期分析
医学院扩招,住院医位置不增加,肯定会影响CMG滴match,但是影响有多大,就看国会
滴童鞋们工作有多努力了。目前来看,就算国会滴童鞋们睡上几年觉,到2020年,应该
还不会出现麦地末日。如果峰回路转,突然有几位国会滴童鞋发奋图强,把那个增加
15000住院医位置滴提案通过了,那春天就到了,偶们CMG童鞋再也不用为match犯愁啦^
_^
另外记得A大发过一个回帖,说如果residency training spot长期不增加,美国滴DO和
加勒比滴学校受到滴冲击会更大(因为如果看不到match滴希望,米国学生就不会去DO
和加勒比学校上学了),所以CMG match率会相对比较稳定。个人觉得很有道理。
4. MATCH 2013
关于今年滴match,形势貌似还不错。IMG match率从去年滴40%涨到今年滴47%,这可不
是7%,而是7/40=17.5%滴涨幅。哇咔咔,不得了啊。不过别高兴滴太早,一盆冷水泼下
,这7%是因为今年新政策,好多prematch被取消啦,都算到match里面,当然旱地拔葱
啦。这下有人要问了,到底涨没涨啊?偶来告诉你,涨了,没有涨到17.5%那么多,但
是的确涨了。有诗为证,咳咳,是有数据为证啦。请看新出炉滴match数据,table4:
非米国公民IMG今年申请者总数10133,去年是10004,变化不大。申请者分4类,
matched,unmatched,withdrew,no rank list.特别注意一下withdrew,偶认为这一类可
以估算为prematched。如果把matched和prematched(withdrew)加起来滴话,今年一共
4570,去年一共4395,增长了175,3.9%。如果算一算总match率滴话,今年45.1%,去
年43.9%。所以总滴来讲,今年形势比去年稍好。当然,以上只是估算,后面SOAP以及
postmatch都完全米有考虑。
5.重点:滚滚长江东逝水,浪花淘尽英雄。甭管大势如何,只要门没有关死,就有机会
。没考滴赶紧把试考好,考完了滴抓紧攒USCE,多拉关系,早点卖掉是正经。
Reference:
1. JAMA预言2015麦地末日文章:
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1475200
2. JAMA文章滴结论出处,NEJ2011年文章:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMhpr1107519
3. 今年match 数据
http://www.nrmp.org/data/advancedatatables2013.pdf
请特别关注一下table4
4.AMA医生短缺1
http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/news/news/2013-03-15-ama-calls-
5.AMA医生短缺2
http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/amawire/2013-february-20/2013-f
a*****n
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re.
c**********c
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不是一直在喊美国的baby boomer一代老了么,医生需求量增加的话,医生人数也会相
应增加吧。不过能赶紧考还是赶紧吧,对自己也是有好处的事。。
f*****e
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多谢,盗版。
偶就是看了NEJM 2011的文章,然后自己也没再做research,就来恐慌大家了。

【在 D******D 的大作中提到】
: 嘎嘎,这个话题近期貌似灰常滴火,人气直追麦地光荣榜。偶实在忍不住(中毒太深,
: 网瘾太重:),也爬过来不负责任滴说两句^_^
: 梦话版不靠谱分析,如有雷同,不胜荣幸。
: 现在都讲Evidence Based Medicine,另外国内315正好在打假,偶也来打一把假LOL
: 结论:2015麦地末日是一派胡言,长期来看,米国医生就业形势看好,PCP需求量大大
: 增加,短期来看CMG match率会稍有波动,但波动不会太大,波动幅度取决于米国国会
: 滴工作效率。
: 1. 2015麦地末日
: 最近2015麦地末日一说炒滴很火,原因无他,JAMA牛文里面写着呢(1)。不过童鞋们
: 唏嘘之余心里肯定会有点疑惑,貌似今年好多CMGmatch啦,麦地就有60个呢,咋两年以

b***u
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有理有据,做了功课,好文章。
不管将来是难是易,‘生于忧患、死于安乐’,古人诚不我欺。

【在 D******D 的大作中提到】
: 嘎嘎,这个话题近期貌似灰常滴火,人气直追麦地光荣榜。偶实在忍不住(中毒太深,
: 网瘾太重:),也爬过来不负责任滴说两句^_^
: 梦话版不靠谱分析,如有雷同,不胜荣幸。
: 现在都讲Evidence Based Medicine,另外国内315正好在打假,偶也来打一把假LOL
: 结论:2015麦地末日是一派胡言,长期来看,米国医生就业形势看好,PCP需求量大大
: 增加,短期来看CMG match率会稍有波动,但波动不会太大,波动幅度取决于米国国会
: 滴工作效率。
: 1. 2015麦地末日
: 最近2015麦地末日一说炒滴很火,原因无他,JAMA牛文里面写着呢(1)。不过童鞋们
: 唏嘘之余心里肯定会有点疑惑,貌似今年好多CMGmatch啦,麦地就有60个呢,咋两年以

n*******l
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牛人!
D******D
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强烈推荐这篇,站得高看得远。
http://www.mitbbs.com/mitbbs_article_t.php?board=MedicalCareer&
D******D
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引用一下time5童鞋滴帖子,不知道数据出处,但是基本符合偶关于prematch等于
withdraw滴推论。
2010: totalPGY-1:7335, withdraw+match=7360
2011:total PGY-1:7023,withdraw+match=7328
2012: total PGY-1:6754, withdraw+match=7419
2013: withdraw+match=7937
2013貌似涨滴比较多,但实际上USIMG申请者总数涨了600多,所以成功率增幅不是很大。
http://www.mitbbs.com/article/MedicalCareer/31529177_0.html
quote:
______________________________________________________________________
近几年US-IMG和Non-US-IMG prematch有2000多.这是别人给我的数据,今年的最终结果
还不知道。
US-IMG和Non-US-IMG每年match的总数(包括prematch):
2010
Total PGY-1:7335
2011
Total PGY-1:7023
2012
Total PGY-1:6754
2013 (all-in)
Est. 6307 + SOAP + small number of prematch?
______________________________________________________
m****d
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The hotly debated topics resurfaced again. Here is the rub. The major
issue at hands is how to reconcile the difference between the total PYG1 and
PYG1 through Match. After elimination (at least mostly) of prematch this
year, next year, the answer will be apparent since it will direct compare
apples to apples.
As stated, the biggest variable not mentioned by NRMP is that people falling
through the crack. They are those who did not go through match at all, but
have been offered PYG1 positions. According to
http://www.mededits.com/prematching-soon-a-thing-of-the-past/
The number might be over 2500 in 2008 and should be higher in 2012.
This variable is where the controversy comes from. Who are these people?
Are they all IMGs or half half? Nobody knows. Seriously, nobody knows for
sure. Where did these people go in 2013? Did they join the main match?
Some went for prematch? What do you make of it? Your answer is as good as
mine.
Since we are dealing with numbers Not reported in the main stream media,
everyone would believe what he wants to believe.
But pause for a second. Do you need more convincing when 99% current
residents are telling you as gently as possible that the number of IMGs has
gone down? You can take 60 matched this year as the door is still open.
But the other way to look at it is that it is more closed since 68 matched
last year.
Let me tell you this much, it is to your detriment to pipe dream the helping
hands from the congress. Your decision making processes should not involve
anything based on pipe dreams.
You are facing as many as 5000 more AMGs in a few years. Do you know the
pecking order of the match processes and how it is evolved and why?

大。

【在 D******D 的大作中提到】
: 引用一下time5童鞋滴帖子,不知道数据出处,但是基本符合偶关于prematch等于
: withdraw滴推论。
: 2010: totalPGY-1:7335, withdraw+match=7360
: 2011:total PGY-1:7023,withdraw+match=7328
: 2012: total PGY-1:6754, withdraw+match=7419
: 2013: withdraw+match=7937
: 2013貌似涨滴比较多,但实际上USIMG申请者总数涨了600多,所以成功率增幅不是很大。
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article/MedicalCareer/31529177_0.html
: quote:
: ______________________________________________________________________

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transfer 一问a JAMA article: 对 IMG 前景的预测
老CMG们,咱们面对的形势很严峻啊If you want to take USMLE, take it as soon as possible
大家一起来讨论一下美国医学院扩招的影响吧。IMG 2013 match rate increased 7%
0% VS 50%?60%? 70%?80%?2012 IMG match performance 出来了。
今天看完NRMP 报表JAMA:No More IMGs for Residency Training Programs After 2015
IMG Performance in the 2012 Match好/坏消息
IMG Performance in the 2013 Match from The ECFMG Reporter谈谈今年我们program (IM) 的MATCH情况
cheer up. match number is increasing for IMG.CMG医生服务的医疗机构类型的统计
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