w*******e
发帖数: 2651 | 1 We need to find out how many people really want to do it! |
b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 2 顶
【在 w*******e 的大作中提到】
: We need to find out how many people really want to do it!
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b*******e
发帖数: 1150 | 3 re
【在 b***i 的大作中提到】
: 顶
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 4 count me in.
【在 w*******e 的大作中提到】
: We need to find out how many people really want to do it!
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z*****a
发帖数: 9790 | 5 me
【在 w*******e 的大作中提到】
: We need to find out how many people really want to do it!
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d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 6 Would like to take part in, but might not be fast enough
【在 w*******e 的大作中提到】
: We need to find out how many people really want to do it!
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s******p
发帖数: 819 | 7 me in.
recommend miami to key west relay
whx, why don't we do a two people relay and make it an ultra? |
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 8 lol. that sounds great but it's a much bigger commitment -- I would have to
train seriously for it, and we need
a designated driver. if the schedule works out, I'm up for the 2-person
relay.:) I'll be out of the country in mid
January next year, so I can't do the florida keys relay.
【在 s******p 的大作中提到】
: me in.
: recommend miami to key west relay
: whx, why don't we do a two people relay and make it an ultra?
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J******u
发帖数: 999 | 9 me
【在 w*******e 的大作中提到】
: We need to find out how many people really want to do it!
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g*****r
发帖数: 4444 | |
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w*******e
发帖数: 2651 | 11 Looks like we can form a team for sure.
The next big question is which relay.
Ragnar relay series does not have team limit, but Epic relay
has team limit of 50.
Ragnar's Wasatch Back Relay is on June 17-18, 2011
from Logan to Park City, UT.
They had over 1000 teams for the 2010 event, which
is comparable size-wise to the HTC.
Shall we do this one? |
d*********6
发帖数: 6115 | 12 我。
【在 w*******e 的大作中提到】
: We need to find out how many people really want to do it!
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 13 I'm up for this one!
【在 w*******e 的大作中提到】
: Looks like we can form a team for sure.
: The next big question is which relay.
: Ragnar relay series does not have team limit, but Epic relay
: has team limit of 50.
: Ragnar's Wasatch Back Relay is on June 17-18, 2011
: from Logan to Park City, UT.
: They had over 1000 teams for the 2010 event, which
: is comparable size-wise to the HTC.
: Shall we do this one?
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z*****a
发帖数: 9790 | 14 I signed up for this one Oct this year.
http://www.southernodysseyrelay.com/
【在 w*******e 的大作中提到】
: Looks like we can form a team for sure.
: The next big question is which relay.
: Ragnar relay series does not have team limit, but Epic relay
: has team limit of 50.
: Ragnar's Wasatch Back Relay is on June 17-18, 2011
: from Logan to Park City, UT.
: They had over 1000 teams for the 2010 event, which
: is comparable size-wise to the HTC.
: Shall we do this one?
|
g*****r
发帖数: 4444 | 15 观望。如果大家都去这个，我也去这个。
【在 w*******e 的大作中提到】
: Looks like we can form a team for sure.
: The next big question is which relay.
: Ragnar relay series does not have team limit, but Epic relay
: has team limit of 50.
: Ragnar's Wasatch Back Relay is on June 17-18, 2011
: from Logan to Park City, UT.
: They had over 1000 teams for the 2010 event, which
: is comparable size-wise to the HTC.
: Shall we do this one?
|
g*****r
发帖数: 4444 | 16 观望。如果大家都去这个，我也去这个。
【在 w*******e 的大作中提到】
: Looks like we can form a team for sure.
: The next big question is which relay.
: Ragnar relay series does not have team limit, but Epic relay
: has team limit of 50.
: Ragnar's Wasatch Back Relay is on June 17-18, 2011
: from Logan to Park City, UT.
: They had over 1000 teams for the 2010 event, which
: is comparable size-wise to the HTC.
: Shall we do this one?
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w*******s
发帖数: 980 | 17 这也是我推荐Miami to Key West Relay的原因：路平，风景好，在一望无际的大海中
奔跑，左手边是大西洋，右手边是墨西哥湾，一串串的桥，终点在美国最南端的旅游胜
地。较慢的recreational runner也可以享受Relay的乐趣。虽然对于hard core们不够
刺激，
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: Would like to take part in, but might not be fast enough
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w*******e
发帖数: 2651 | 18 There is another Wild West Relay in CO, but it is small scale.
Check it out. |
g*****r
发帖数: 4444 | |
w*******e
发帖数: 2651 | 20 You guys need to do some research, and find out
what is the best possible relay we're gonna do.
If we can make this happen, it's gonna be once in
a life time experience.
Wasatch Back Relay's early bird deadline is very close now. |
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g*****r
发帖数: 4444 | 21 Yes! I'm already so excited even just thinking of it!
【在 w*******e 的大作中提到】
: You guys need to do some research, and find out
: what is the best possible relay we're gonna do.
: If we can make this happen, it's gonna be once in
: a life time experience.
: Wasatch Back Relay's early bird deadline is very close now.
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 22 SLC is cool
【在 w*******e 的大作中提到】
: You guys need to do some research, and find out
: what is the best possible relay we're gonna do.
: If we can make this happen, it's gonna be once in
: a life time experience.
: Wasatch Back Relay's early bird deadline is very close now.
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w*******e
发帖数: 2651 | 23 So how many are ok with Wasatch Back?
Learn more about it, so we can discuss!
With 12,000 runners, I would say it's huge party! |
g*****r
发帖数: 4444 | 24 I'm OK with it.
【在 w*******e 的大作中提到】
: So how many are ok with Wasatch Back?
: Learn more about it, so we can discuss!
: With 12,000 runners, I would say it's huge party!
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d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 25 没那么多人吧？支持跑这个relay，我就当候补吧，速度比较慢。
【在 w*******e 的大作中提到】
: So how many are ok with Wasatch Back?
: Learn more about it, so we can discuss!
: With 12,000 runners, I would say it's huge party!
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 26 My favorate three are: So Cal, Wasatch Back and Washington D.C.
The keys are beautiful, but it's too flat and kind of boring because it's
only about beaches...
【在 w*******e 的大作中提到】
: So how many are ok with Wasatch Back?
: Learn more about it, so we can discuss!
: With 12,000 runners, I would say it's huge party!
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 27 Key West 我记得很多位置很窄的啊， 人太多会不会挤掉到海里去。。LOL~
【在 w*******s 的大作中提到】
: 这也是我推荐Miami to Key West Relay的原因：路平，风景好，在一望无际的大海中
: 奔跑，左手边是大西洋，右手边是墨西哥湾，一串串的桥，终点在美国最南端的旅游胜
: 地。较慢的recreational runner也可以享受Relay的乐趣。虽然对于hard core们不够
: 刺激，
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n********r
发帖数: 2228 | 28 I am really interested but only available in fall. |
w*******e
发帖数: 2651 | 29 Sorry for the typo.
I remember somewhere said 44,000, but couldn't find it anymore.
Based on 1020 teams for 2010, it is estimated to have 12,000 runners.
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: 没那么多人吧？支持跑这个relay，我就当候补吧，速度比较慢。
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g*****r
发帖数: 4444 | 30 keke, 你坚持现在这样跑下去，到明年就很快了。
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: 没那么多人吧？支持跑这个relay，我就当候补吧，速度比较慢。
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o*****4
发帖数: 665 | 31 my friends from regnar NY are organizing Miami to key west already, have
6ppl on the squad now. up for it if we can pull a team here. |
d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 32 Wasatch Back六月吧？估计练到6月10K有望达到45-48分钟，呵呵。到时候就可以和LD
说，革命需要我。。。
【在 g*****r 的大作中提到】
: keke, 你坚持现在这样跑下去，到明年就很快了。
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q*c
发帖数: 1172 | 33 wild west sounds more fun and more challenging.
we can arrange family vacation trip after the race in CO.
vote for this.
http://www.wildwestrelay.com/course/index.html
【在 w*******e 的大作中提到】
: There is another Wild West Relay in CO, but it is small scale.
: Check it out.
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f*******n
发帖数: 5241 | 34 我去年在一个key上跑过几迈，跑得很爽。那里很平而且很直，比较适合新手。你们这
些高手们可能会觉得太单调了点。景色倒是挺美。还可以考虑跑完了全体去个cruise什
么的。喜欢看山的话West Wild看上去挺漂亮，Steamboat那边去湖上划划船，Hiking什
么的也挺棒的。 |
g*****r
发帖数: 4444 | 35 en,不要低估了mileage的作用，你那时候sub40应该没问题。
LD
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: Wasatch Back六月吧？估计练到6月10K有望达到45-48分钟，呵呵。到时候就可以和LD
: 说，革命需要我。。。
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d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 36 你估计要多少mileage才能sub 40?我期望倒没那么高，后年能sub 40就很高兴了。
【在 g*****r 的大作中提到】
: en,不要低估了mileage的作用，你那时候sub40应该没问题。
:
: LD
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 37 don't overestimate the power of mileage. 10K is all about speed work. I
recall that bachfan has run a 3:09
marathon and still did not manage a sub 40 10K.
【在 g*****r 的大作中提到】
: en,不要低估了mileage的作用，你那时候sub40应该没问题。
:
: LD
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g*****r
发帖数: 4444 | 38 keke, according whx, speed work plays a more important part in 10K time. I
remember ryanflower also improves his short distance by speed works, and he
doesn't run a lot.
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: 你估计要多少mileage才能sub 40?我期望倒没那么高，后年能sub 40就很高兴了。
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 39 Of course, you need the mileage for speed work. Some people are naturally
fast, and don't need any training
to run a sub 20 5K or a sub 40 10K. If you are not born that fast, then you
have to build up mileage first, and
then do the speed work. Without speed work, high mileage won't help you. But
without mileage, you'd get
injured doing the speed work.
I
he
【在 g*****r 的大作中提到】
: keke, according whx, speed work plays a more important part in 10K time. I
: remember ryanflower also improves his short distance by speed works, and he
: doesn't run a lot.
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d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 40 I am hoping to maintain 40-45mpw next year, with some speed work in the mix,
hehe
I
he
【在 g*****r 的大作中提到】
: keke, according whx, speed work plays a more important part in 10K time. I
: remember ryanflower also improves his short distance by speed works, and he
: doesn't run a lot.
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 41 That sounds really strange to me.
3:09 marathon --> 7:1x pace --> normally the tempo pace would be 30 seconds
faster, so his tempo should be at least 6:40 --> I would assume he can run
at least 6:30 or faster in a 10K race.
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: don't overestimate the power of mileage. 10K is all about speed work. I
: recall that bachfan has run a 3:09
: marathon and still did not manage a sub 40 10K.
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 42 according to the calculator, it is possible:
http://www.attackpoint.org/trainingpaces.jsp?dist=26.22&units=miles&time=30900
3:09 marathon = 40:58 10k
of course he's highly efficient aerobically.
seconds
【在 y******n 的大作中提到】
: That sounds really strange to me.
: 3:09 marathon --> 7:1x pace --> normally the tempo pace would be 30 seconds
: faster, so his tempo should be at least 6:40 --> I would assume he can run
: at least 6:30 or faster in a 10K race.
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 43 You know what, I really hate the conversion does not work in an opposite way
. Otherwise it will be a lot easier for me to run a marathon. :)
【在 b***i 的大作中提到】
: according to the calculator, it is possible:
: http://www.attackpoint.org/trainingpaces.jsp?dist=26.22&units=miles&time=30900
: 3:09 marathon = 40:58 10k
: of course he's highly efficient aerobically.
:
: seconds
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 44 yeah, we need to train for years to make it look right...
way
【在 y******n 的大作中提到】
: You know what, I really hate the conversion does not work in an opposite way
: . Otherwise it will be a lot easier for me to run a marathon. :)
|
g*****r
发帖数: 4444 | 45 啊，我常用tempo的时间做conversion 来 yy.....
way
【在 y******n 的大作中提到】
: You know what, I really hate the conversion does not work in an opposite way
: . Otherwise it will be a lot easier for me to run a marathon. :)
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 46 that's slightly better, as your tempo pace will certainly be slower than the
race pace for the same distance.
【在 g*****r 的大作中提到】
: 啊，我常用tempo的时间做conversion 来 yy.....
:
: way
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 47 It happened to me...
But it was crashed by the reality without proper training.
Now I used long run or pace run to estimate and hope that works.
【在 g*****r 的大作中提到】
: 啊，我常用tempo的时间做conversion 来 yy.....
:
: way
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 48 even using HM race time to predict the marathon time didn't work for me.
【在 y******n 的大作中提到】
: It happened to me...
: But it was crashed by the reality without proper training.
: Now I used long run or pace run to estimate and hope that works.
|
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 49 An extreme example is Paula Radcliffe. Her best 10K road race pace is 4:53.
Her best marathon pace is 5:10. 17 seconds difference separating 10K and
marathon pace. Now that's a true marathoner.
【在 b***i 的大作中提到】
: yeah, we need to train for years to make it look right...
:
: way
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 50 It did not work for me either.
I think the way to predict a close marathon time is to use your 20 mile+
long runs. A 22 miler will presumably give you the FM time if the long run
is finished in the correct long run way.
I would guess my time from shorter long runs, like 16 mile, but I would
anticipate a relatively large error.
【在 b***i 的大作中提到】
: even using HM race time to predict the marathon time didn't work for me.
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 51 I think your problem is your relatively low mileage. I recall that you do
something like 40mpw? I also had this problem before - before the spring of
2009, my marathon pace was always slower than my long run pace. But ever
since my weekly mileage went above 50, I was able to run the marathon faster
than my long run pace.
【在 y******n 的大作中提到】
: It did not work for me either.
: I think the way to predict a close marathon time is to use your 20 mile+
: long runs. A 22 miler will presumably give you the FM time if the long run
: is finished in the correct long run way.
: I would guess my time from shorter long runs, like 16 mile, but I would
: anticipate a relatively large error.
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 52 longrun理论上来讲不需要跑太快， 应该比MP慢10-20percent, 据AM讲。。
【在 y******n 的大作中提到】
: It did not work for me either.
: I think the way to predict a close marathon time is to use your 20 mile+
: long runs. A 22 miler will presumably give you the FM time if the long run
: is finished in the correct long run way.
: I would guess my time from shorter long runs, like 16 mile, but I would
: anticipate a relatively large error.
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 53 The higher your weekly mileage is, the faster your marathon pace can be in
comparison to your long run pace. If one runs less than 45mpw, I doubt that
he could run the marathon faster than his long run pace.
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: longrun理论上来讲不需要跑太快， 应该比MP慢10-20percent, 据AM讲。。
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f*******d
发帖数: 12693 | 54 我做到过。
that
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: The higher your weekly mileage is, the faster your marathon pace can be in
: comparison to your long run pace. If one runs less than 45mpw, I doubt that
: he could run the marathon faster than his long run pace.
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 55 嗯， 这个俺还木有发言权， 呵呵， 得试过才知道。。。
不过俺的第一个半马的pace比平时跑的pace都快。。。
总体来说taper过后， 加上比赛的荷尔蒙， 理论上应该比训练快才对。。。
that
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: The higher your weekly mileage is, the faster your marathon pace can be in
: comparison to your long run pace. If one runs less than 45mpw, I doubt that
: he could run the marathon faster than his long run pace.
|
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 56 well, when I say I ran my marathon slower than my long runs in the past,
obviously, it was because my speed dropped significantly after mile 20. The
real marathon only starts at mile 20. Last spring when I ran a couple 50-
mile weeks, I was able to speed up after mile 20 instead of slowing down.
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 嗯， 这个俺还木有发言权， 呵呵， 得试过才知道。。。
: 不过俺的第一个半马的pace比平时跑的pace都快。。。
: 总体来说taper过后， 加上比赛的荷尔蒙， 理论上应该比训练快才对。。。
:
: that
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 57 You are an exceptional case.:)
【在 f*******d 的大作中提到】
: 我做到过。
:
: that
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 58 也有可能是你平时的longrun跑太快 :)
比赛的话， 俺一般会先让自己hold, 不敢push太厉害 :)
The
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: well, when I say I ran my marathon slower than my long runs in the past,
: obviously, it was because my speed dropped significantly after mile 20. The
: real marathon only starts at mile 20. Last spring when I ran a couple 50-
: mile weeks, I was able to speed up after mile 20 instead of slowing down.
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 59 So Cal is around the same time as boston marathon. Wasatch back sounds the
best to me.
【在 b***i 的大作中提到】
: My favorate three are: So Cal, Wasatch Back and Washington D.C.
: The keys are beautiful, but it's too flat and kind of boring because it's
: only about beaches...
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 60 I just broke 40 mpw last week and it was my new high.
Yes, I have to admit there is no easy way to run a marathon if I wanna get
an impressive time, like BQ. I had concern on my knee and I then gave myself
an excuse to be lazy. Now the weather becomes cooler, I will go to 50 mpw
at least and see how it is.
of
faster
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: I think your problem is your relatively low mileage. I recall that you do
: something like 40mpw? I also had this problem before - before the spring of
: 2009, my marathon pace was always slower than my long run pace. But ever
: since my weekly mileage went above 50, I was able to run the marathon faster
: than my long run pace.
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 61 yes, of course I know that.
But the long run is shorter than a real marathon, your time in a shorter
distance will be close to your real time in a race.
No wonder the more long runs you have, the more accurate prediction you can
make.
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: longrun理论上来讲不需要跑太快， 应该比MP慢10-20percent, 据AM讲。。
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 62 HM is a completely different story, based on my own experience.
It is at least ten times easier than a FM.
I only used two months to seriously prepare for my first half marathon and I
skipped at least two week training due to all kinds of excuses.
But HM is just easy to run.
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 嗯， 这个俺还木有发言权， 呵呵， 得试过才知道。。。
: 不过俺的第一个半马的pace比平时跑的pace都快。。。
: 总体来说taper过后， 加上比赛的荷尔蒙， 理论上应该比训练快才对。。。
:
: that
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w*****h
发帖数: 1770 | |
R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 64 10倍也太夸张了。。。俺第一次斑马准备了大约半年， 周平均mileage20多迈。。
我起点很低， 不像你们都是短跑健将。。。俺从只能跑3000米， 5.5mph的速度，
进步到将近7.7mph的半马速度。。
全马从2月份开始准备， 到10月份算8个月吧， 从30mpw进步到70mpw, 看看
这回比赛效果如何了。。
I
【在 y******n 的大作中提到】
: HM is a completely different story, based on my own experience.
: It is at least ten times easier than a FM.
: I only used two months to seriously prepare for my first half marathon and I
: skipped at least two week training due to all kinds of excuses.
: But HM is just easy to run.
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 65 I am saying my own feeling, not exactly right number. But FM is no doubt
much more difficult than HM.
I am sure you will be good per your 70 mpw.
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 10倍也太夸张了。。。俺第一次斑马准备了大约半年， 周平均mileage20多迈。。
: 我起点很低， 不像你们都是短跑健将。。。俺从只能跑3000米， 5.5mph的速度，
: 进步到将近7.7mph的半马速度。。
: 全马从2月份开始准备， 到10月份算8个月吧， 从30mpw进步到70mpw, 看看
: 这回比赛效果如何了。。
:
: I
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 66 我就是觉得你说的太夸张了啊， 而且你说的是至少10倍， 毕竟距离上只是2倍的关系。
其实40mpw准备全马真的是太少了， 周末一个longrun 20迈， 平时2个easy 10迈，
就跑完了。。每周只用跑3天。。
我记得在哪里看到过， 如果想全马不受伤， 训练至少要跑到周mileage 50迈以上。。
按理来说像你tempo已经跑这么快了， 把mileage提上来应该不是问题啊。。
【在 y******n 的大作中提到】
: I am saying my own feeling, not exactly right number. But FM is no doubt
: much more difficult than HM.
: I am sure you will be good per your 70 mpw.
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