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发帖数: 611 | 1 1/2 live full ring table. Hero at SB w/ about $1000. BB has $300, raised to
15 preflop. EP called w/ $400. Hero had 4s5s called. Flop As 3c 7h. Check,
BB bet 30. Call, call. Turn Qs. Hero shoved all in. (Any suggestion here?).
BB tank and fold. EP called. River Ah. Hero loss. EP showed 3s7s.
The thought is this: EP flat BB on the flop. So I put him on TP w/ decent
Kicker. Turn give me flash draw w/ two guts shot. I talked to my self will
not
fold to BB's c-bet if checked here. So I decided to shove. Trying to
representing set or two good pairs. But later on some players told me they
don't buy my move. My move is more like flash draw. What a failed move. BB
said he folded AK later.
What's my problem on this play?
If you only have one pair, will u fold on the turn?
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发帖数: 5415 | 2 that shove doesn't make any sense to me...doesn't look like set to me
whatsoever.would you shove turn with a set and possibly chase away even AQ?
doesn't look like big 2p(A7/AQ) either. would have c/r flop with those
knowing you are ahead.
if I'm facing a 2x pot shove for my stack with TPTK on the turn? obv I'm
folding. | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 3 preflop 45$. + flop 90$.. turn pot 里是 135$
EP has 400$ so you shoved effectively 265$ into a “3 way" pot with a draw
(combo draw 也是draw, turn 上你肯定是落后）. 我觉得overplay 了. 有请 D神用宝
器给你算算这个shove 的EV. 我用屁股算算是负EV.
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【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 live full ring table. Hero at SB w/ about $1000. BB has $300, raised to
: 15 preflop. EP called w/ $400. Hero had 4s5s called. Flop As 3c 7h. Check,
: BB bet 30. Call, call. Turn Qs. Hero shoved all in. (Any suggestion here?).
: BB tank and fold. EP called. River Ah. Hero loss. EP showed 3s7s.
: The thought is this: EP flat BB on the flop. So I put him on TP w/ decent
: Kicker. Turn give me flash draw w/ two guts shot. I talked to my self will
: not
: fold to BB's c-bet if checked here. So I decided to shove. Trying to
: representing set or two good pairs. But later on some players told me they
: don't buy my move. My move is more like flash draw. What a failed move. BB
| p****0
发帖数: 611 | 4 Even facing TpTk, the shove is negative EV if calc from my hand. But I don't
know what my move was representing to them. If they calc their calling EV,
my move might not be negative EV, that's why I shove.
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【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: preflop 45$. + flop 90$.. turn pot 里是 135$
: EP has 400$ so you shoved effectively 265$ into a “3 way" pot with a draw
: (combo draw 也是draw, turn 上你肯定是落后）. 我觉得overplay 了. 有请 D神用宝
: 器给你算算这个shove 的EV. 我用屁股算算是负EV.
:
: to
: .
: not
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 我就是说估计个fold equity 用公式算算。275 shove into 135. 怎么算也不划算。
这牌，对手call 15 preflop call 30 flop, 在1/2 里面对手不是draw 就是一个强成
牌， 你这样纯打fold equity 不划算。 对手是draw 你应该 bet turn bet river 让
对手fold river, 对手是强成牌（small fold equity) ，你应该等到river 成牌再发
力， 你这个back door flush 和straight 很隐蔽， river 成牌后可以得到很多A的
value.
't
,
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: Even facing TpTk, the shove is negative EV if calc from my hand. But I don't
: know what my move was representing to them. If they calc their calling EV,
: my move might not be negative EV, that's why I shove.
:
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| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 6 wow! thank you for using my odds calculation app.
Just my 2 c, you have only 33% equity after committing the pot, which is
obviously losing the money.
However, the precondition is villain called your shove (0% fold equity).
But in real world, especially live 1/2, the fold equity varies from 0%~100%
depended on your image and villains' level.
That's why, on seeing your question, I don't really know how to answer in
first place.
I myself sometimes also shove with NUTS in similar situation when I am
pretty sure villain has very low % to fold. So tbh the answer from me is IT
DEPENDS
Say we assume everyone on the table is solid and playing level 1 ABC plus
your image is not that crazy. I would check/shove or lead out ~2/3 and rdy
to get it in if i really dont want to give up this hand. otherwise i will
just check/call here and re-evaluate on the river. | p****0
发帖数: 611 | 7 wrote down notes already:) Yeah, overplay too much on turn, which is the
problem that I'm trying to fix. Sometime I have strong hand and overplayed,
sometime I have draw hand, also overplayed.
Do you guys have overplay issue ever? How do you fix it? Count 1, 2, 3,
analyze more in your mind?
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 我就是说估计个fold equity 用公式算算。275 shove into 135. 怎么算也不划算。
: 这牌，对手call 15 preflop call 30 flop, 在1/2 里面对手不是draw 就是一个强成
: 牌， 你这样纯打fold equity 不划算。 对手是draw 你应该 bet turn bet river 让
: 对手fold river, 对手是强成牌（small fold equity) ，你应该等到river 成牌再发
: 力， 你这个back door flush 和straight 很隐蔽， river 成牌后可以得到很多A的
: value.
:
: 't
: ,
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 Always remember to protect your stack. 2x shove with a draw is spew. Your
fold equity normally does not increase much when the money you put in the
pot passes a certain threshold. Never put one buck more if not necessary. "
One buck saved is one buck earned"
overplayed,
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【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: wrote down notes already:) Yeah, overplay too much on turn, which is the
: problem that I'm trying to fix. Sometime I have strong hand and overplayed,
: sometime I have draw hand, also overplayed.
: Do you guys have overplay issue ever? How do you fix it? Count 1, 2, 3,
: analyze more in your mind?
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