w*****e
发帖数: 226 | 1 For anyone who thinks the new testament is a hoax and legend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKj56swhuVQ&feature=related
It is from discovery channel. Shroud of Turin is supposedly the
burial clothes of Jesus Christ. There is an image on it which
is formed mysteriously and still can not be explained by science.
The image itself contains a lot of details that is included in the
new testament.
Is the new testament really a historical recording or something
people faked for the purpose of a religion? It can not be easily
answered, but it seems to me that modern science is somehow uniting
with gospel. Maybe just as witness Lee said:
"We do not care for Christianity, we do not care for Christendom, we do not
care for the Roman Catholic church, and we do not care for all the
denominations, because in the Bible it says that the great Babylon is fallen
. This is a declaration. Christianity is fallen, Christendom is fallen,
Catholicism is fallen, and all the denominations are fallen. Hallelujah!"
Maybe, bible is indeed God's word and Jesus is God, and it is time for us to
come back to bible and Jesus. | x***x
发帖数: 3401 | 2 如果认真考察<西游记>中的描述和已发现的历史资料, 我们有证据证明中国历史上唐朝
的确存在过.
我们也有足够证据证明唐僧, 也就是历史上的玄奘和尚于一千三百多年前的确有前往西
域取经的经历.
书中提到的京城长安, 也经考察证明就是现在的中国陕西的西安和咸阳附近.
就连书中提到的唐太宗也是历史上真正的唐朝第二位统治者李世民.
诸多的历史史实和<西游记>中的描述如出一辙. 由此可以判断, <西游记>中记载的内容
真实可靠, 书中人物也绝非杜撰.
说<西游记>是神话小说的人不得不在大量史实面前低头认错. | a******e
发帖数: 982 | 3 山寨風腦一下。
這裡面有很多無法證實的假設啊。
【在 w*****e 的大作中提到】
: For anyone who thinks the new testament is a hoax and legend.
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKj56swhuVQ&feature=related
: It is from discovery channel. Shroud of Turin is supposedly the
: burial clothes of Jesus Christ. There is an image on it which
: is formed mysteriously and still can not be explained by science.
: The image itself contains a lot of details that is included in the
: new testament.
: Is the new testament really a historical recording or something
: people faked for the purpose of a religion? It can not be easily
: answered, but it seems to me that modern science is somehow uniting
| G******e
发帖数: 9567 | | w*****e
发帖数: 226 | 5 Well, I guess you did not watch the video at all...
Anyway, the image not only has evidence about Jesus being crucified, but
details that is the same with what the new testament described, such as the
bruise on the knee, the crown of thorn, the whipping.
Xi You Ji's author said it is a fiction book. On the other hand, bible's
authors are claiming what they write is true.
Please try to be patient and watch the video instead of trying to pick an
argument based on what I said.
【在 x***x 的大作中提到】
: 如果认真考察<西游记>中的描述和已发现的历史资料, 我们有证据证明中国历史上唐朝
: 的确存在过.
: 我们也有足够证据证明唐僧, 也就是历史上的玄奘和尚于一千三百多年前的确有前往西
: 域取经的经历.
: 书中提到的京城长安, 也经考察证明就是现在的中国陕西的西安和咸阳附近.
: 就连书中提到的唐太宗也是历史上真正的唐朝第二位统治者李世民.
: 诸多的历史史实和<西游记>中的描述如出一辙. 由此可以判断, <西游记>中记载的内容
: 真实可靠, 书中人物也绝非杜撰.
: 说<西游记>是神话小说的人不得不在大量史实面前低头认错.
| x***x
发帖数: 3401 | 6 我的确没看video, 我在办公室. 回家再看.
不过我的意思就是, 你即便证明了历史上有耶稣这个人, 也不能证明这个人就是上帝吧
? 就像你证明了唐僧存在, 也没法证明唐僧后来如西游记所说的成仙了吧
bible的作者说这本书是真的, 那就一定是真的啦? 逻辑上你得证明作者没有说谎先吧.
the
【在 w*****e 的大作中提到】
: Well, I guess you did not watch the video at all...
: Anyway, the image not only has evidence about Jesus being crucified, but
: details that is the same with what the new testament described, such as the
: bruise on the knee, the crown of thorn, the whipping.
: Xi You Ji's author said it is a fiction book. On the other hand, bible's
: authors are claiming what they write is true.
: Please try to be patient and watch the video instead of trying to pick an
: argument based on what I said.
| w*****e
发帖数: 226 | 7 LOL, I have seen his posts, to me, he seems to be repeating
the same thing again and again, don't know why.
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】
: 》同意。等一下有个叫嘁哩喀喳的会找你。
| a******e
发帖数: 982 | 8 就是懶, 還有什麼原因？
不需要上帝都可以知道他待會會上門。
【在 w*****e 的大作中提到】
: LOL, I have seen his posts, to me, he seems to be repeating
: the same thing again and again, don't know why.
| w*****e
发帖数: 226 | 9 I really don't think you can prove the authenticy of bible's recordings by
reasoning. That's why I suggested you should watch the video. I posted it
for people who are having doubts to do some research into it. It would be a
very intersting topic if you are questioning the things described in bible.
I am not here to try to prove someone is stupid or not logical, just to say
here is something else you may look into, it can be a good experience for
you.
吧.
【在 x***x 的大作中提到】
: 我的确没看video, 我在办公室. 回家再看.
: 不过我的意思就是, 你即便证明了历史上有耶稣这个人, 也不能证明这个人就是上帝吧
: ? 就像你证明了唐僧存在, 也没法证明唐僧后来如西游记所说的成仙了吧
: bible的作者说这本书是真的, 那就一定是真的啦? 逻辑上你得证明作者没有说谎先吧.
:
: the
| G******e
发帖数: 9567 | | | | G******e
发帖数: 9567 | | w*****e
发帖数: 226 | 12 Well, I read about the gospel of Thomas, gospel of Mary Magdelene and gospel
of Judas, they are called the lost gospels. Not that they are really lost,
disappeared in history, but they are much more self conflictory. Therefore
they were not included in the bible. The bible was composed out of 2
important standards. 1. Truthful. 2. Edifying. Lost gospels are very
interesting if you read them and compared them to the new testament. There
is a theology called Gnostics behind it, to me, it is way too hard to
believe in new testament and gnotstics at the same time. Lost gospels
definitely do not meet the 2 standards I mentioned. If I believe that God's
words are consistent and shaped by His works throughout history, I would not
believe in the gnostics. It's even harder to understand and creates more
suffering for me when reading it.
This has nothing to do with shroud of Turin. I hope some anti-Christian here
would watch it and talk about the things you feel doubtful or wrong in it.
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】
: 曾经讨论过一点儿：
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/TrustInJesus/174963.html
| G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 13 这个是针对你回归圣经而说的。
这些研究表明，四福书也是人为的，包括认为创作，认为挑选的。之所以是选“四”本
，只是因为有那么一个人觉得“四”比较好，因为地有四极。挑选的标准都是人的标准
，觉得神是应该怎么样的。而不符口味的，就成了伪书。而留下来的，也经过了添加修
改，再一次是人的所为。到了今天，大家就不自觉地用这四福书的标准来判断其他的。
如果当初的标准稍微一变，耶稣就会使另外一个样子。
连处女生子一说都是翻译错误引起的，何谈耶稣是最大的诺言的实现，而且是二次实现
？当然了，nobody can stop you from believing.
gospel
,
s
not
【在 w*****e 的大作中提到】
: Well, I read about the gospel of Thomas, gospel of Mary Magdelene and gospel
: of Judas, they are called the lost gospels. Not that they are really lost,
: disappeared in history, but they are much more self conflictory. Therefore
: they were not included in the bible. The bible was composed out of 2
: important standards. 1. Truthful. 2. Edifying. Lost gospels are very
: interesting if you read them and compared them to the new testament. There
: is a theology called Gnostics behind it, to me, it is way too hard to
: believe in new testament and gnotstics at the same time. Lost gospels
: definitely do not meet the 2 standards I mentioned. If I believe that God's
: words are consistent and shaped by His works throughout history, I would not
| w*****e
发帖数: 226 | 14 You are right, but on the other side, why would these four books, from all
the other books from 1 century Christians be remembered? Is this just
coincident?
Let me give you example, if we are playing poker, and I deal myself 20 times
4 A's. And at the 21 time, when you are about to punch me, I say, "Wait, it
is just by coincidents", do you believe me?
If God created the world and wanted His words to be heard, and from so many
books kept these four, just like Him dealing 20 times 4 A's, would you say
it is by chance? Or is He doing something intentionally.
The truth is, behind all the people's behaviors, there is a holy reason. And
the reason is representing God's love. Even the fact you are reading this
message right now. If you think it's man's pick, well then explain why those
men would pick those 4 books for me.
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】
: 这个是针对你回归圣经而说的。
: 这些研究表明，四福书也是人为的，包括认为创作，认为挑选的。之所以是选“四”本
: ，只是因为有那么一个人觉得“四”比较好，因为地有四极。挑选的标准都是人的标准
: ，觉得神是应该怎么样的。而不符口味的，就成了伪书。而留下来的，也经过了添加修
: 改，再一次是人的所为。到了今天，大家就不自觉地用这四福书的标准来判断其他的。
: 如果当初的标准稍微一变，耶稣就会使另外一个样子。
: 连处女生子一说都是翻译错误引起的，何谈耶稣是最大的诺言的实现，而且是二次实现
: ？当然了，nobody can stop you from believing.
:
: gospel
| G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 15 这个、、、还是找E神来讲讲逻辑吧。当人为选定4本书将其定位正典后，就进入强制执
行期。任何不服的，都被会打压，任何正典之外的要被销毁，就像基督徒毁掉希腊文明
一样。再回头看看你问的问题，还是问题吗？
times
it
many
And
【在 w*****e 的大作中提到】
: You are right, but on the other side, why would these four books, from all
: the other books from 1 century Christians be remembered? Is this just
: coincident?
: Let me give you example, if we are playing poker, and I deal myself 20 times
: 4 A's. And at the 21 time, when you are about to punch me, I say, "Wait, it
: is just by coincidents", do you believe me?
: If God created the world and wanted His words to be heard, and from so many
: books kept these four, just like Him dealing 20 times 4 A's, would you say
: it is by chance? Or is He doing something intentionally.
: The truth is, behind all the people's behaviors, there is a holy reason. And
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