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发帖数: 9485 | 1 http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/276-original-sin-and-a
“Original Sin” and a Misapplied Passage
By Wayne Jackson
The doctrine of original sin—the notion that one is born into this world
hereditarily totally depraved—is widely believed in the religious world.
For example, the Augsburg Confession of Faith (1530), Lutheranism’s creed,
asserted:
[A]ll men, born according to nature, are born with sin, that is, without
the fear of God, without confidence towards God and with concupiscence, and
that this original disease or flaw is truly a sin, bringing condemnation
and also eternal death to those who are not reborn through baptism and the
Holy Spirit (Article II).
This, of course, explains the practice of infant baptism as advocated by
numerous sects.
Likely, the passage that is commonly appealed to in an attempt to justify
the concept of original sin is Psalm 51:5.
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity; And in sin did my mother
conceive me.
Does this verse provide a basis for the doctrine of original sin? Assuredly,
it does not. But let us carefully study the matter. | m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 2 Preliminary Principles
First of all, it needs to be initially recognized that this passage is
Hebrew poetry. And Hebrew poetry abounds with bold and imaginative figures
of speech; it is frequently characterized by a freedom which departs from
customary forms of expression. It is, therefore, a mistake of great
magnitude to extract statements from poetical literature and thus employ
them as a foundation for doctrinal schemes.
This is precisely the error of the materialists (Watchtower Witnesses,
Armstrongites, etc.) who dip into Old Testament poetical books, like Psalms
and Job, for their doctrines of soul-sleeping and the annihilation of the
wicked.
Secondly, one of the primary rules of Biblical interpretation suggests: “
The language of Scripture may be regarded as figurative, if the literal
interpretation will cause one passage to contradict another” (Dungan n.d.,
196).
There are numerous Bible verses, in plain, literal language, that affirm the
innocency of infants, and Psalm 51:5 must not be arrayed against these.
Consider the following:
(1) Scripture plainly teaches that sin is not inherited. “[T]he son shall
not bear the iniquity of the father” (Ezekiel 18:20); every person is
responsible for his own conduct (Romans 14:12).
(2) Human sinfulness commences in that period of one’s life that is
characterized as youth (Genesis 8:21; Jeremiah 3:25).
(3) A child must reach a certain level of maturity before he is able to
choose between evil and good (Isaiah 7:15, 16).
(4) The qualities of little children are set forth as models for those who
would aspire to enter the kingdom (Matthew 18:3; 19:14) and for those
already in the church (1 Corinthians 14:20). Surely the Lord was not
suggesting that we emulate little, totally corrupt sinners!
(5) The human spirit is not inherited from one’s parents; rather, it is
given by God (Ecclesiastes 12:7; Hebrews 12:9). Hence, at birth it must be
as pure as the source from whence it comes.
Clearly, babies are not born in sin. | m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 3 Psalm 51:5 Analyzed
Having shown what Psalm 51: 5 cannot mean, we now turn to some possible
views of the passage that do not violate portions of Scripture found
elsewhere.
(1) Since Psalm 51 is one of David’s penitent psalms revealing the anguish
resulting from his adulterous conduct with Bathsheba, some have felt that
verse five contains words that are figuratively put into the mouth of the
child conceived by that illicit union (2 Samuel 11:5), thus acknowledging
the sinfulness of that relationship. The sinfulness is therefore attributed
to the parent and not the child.
T. W. Brents commented:
Whatever may be the meaning of this passage, it can not be the
imputation of sin to the child. ‘In sin did my mother conceive me:’ that
is, she acted wickedly when I was conceived. Were the wife to say, ‘In
drunkenness my husband beat me,’or the child that ‘in anger my father
whipped me,’ surely no one would attribute drunkenness to the wife or anger
to the child; neither can they impute the sin of the mother to the child (
1957, 133, 134).
(2) Others have suggested that David alludes to an incident in his ancestral
lineage, an adulterous affair (Genesis 38), whereby he was considered
ceremonially defiled because he was of the tenth generation of that unlawful
intercourse (Deuteronomy 23:2). This is probably a rather remote
possibility.
(3) Most likely, however, Psalm 51:5 merely refers to the fact that David
was born into a sinful environment. We all are conceived in and brought
forth into a sinful world. But we do not actually sin until we arrive at a
stage of spiritual responsibility.
Perhaps David also, by the use of dramatic language, alludes to the fact
that sin had characterized his whole life, relatively speaking.
In a similarly poetic section, for example, Job, in denying that he had
neglected his benevolent responsibilities, affirmed that he had cared for
the orphan and the widow from his mother’s womb! Surely, no one believes
that on day one of Job’s existence that he was out ministering to the needy
! In fact, the Hebrew parallelism of this verse (Job 31:18), clearly
indicates that the word “womb” is used in the sense of youth.
A Concluding Problem
Those who employ Psalm 51:5 to buttress the doctrine that sin is inherited
from one’s mother are faced with a serious problem. Jesus was both
conceived by and brought forth from a human mother (Luke 1:31). If original
sin is inherited from one’s mother, Christ had it. If, however, someone
should suggest that depravity is received only from the father, Psalm 51:5
cannot be used to prove it, for it mentions only the mother!
The truth of the matter is, the doctrine of original sin is not Biblical. It
had its origin in the writings of the so-called “church fathers” in the
post-apostolic era. Such men as Tertullian (160-220) and Cyprian (200-258)
first formulated the doctrine and it was later popularized by Augustine and
John Calvin.
Those who accept the plain testimony of the sacred Scriptures will reject
this error. | z**********i
发帖数: 165 | 4 这段日子，我们名门正教的弟子不当版主了，你就又跑回来发摩门的帖子了？ | s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 5 无论这么说，大卫写诗说自己是在罪中生的，这就apply to all mankind的了吗？
这就是邪恶的加尔文主义教义的来源，John 3:16被加尔文解释成耶稣只为一小部分人死
die for all, all被解释为一小撮加尔文分子
而大卫的诗里写“我”在罪中生，“我”却变成了all mankind
加尔文分子简直是随意强奸圣经 | m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 6
这篇根本不是我们教会的帖子。是其他教会基督徒的。
我们教会在教义上不是仅仅根据圣经来解经的，我们有更多经文，就会澄清很多误解。
http://scriptures.lds.org/zh/moro/8
【在 z**********i 的大作中提到】
: 这段日子，我们名门正教的弟子不当版主了，你就又跑回来发摩门的帖子了？
| s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 7 你多传传福音吧，反正大家把你说的一切话都当作摩门教的
那么福音真理就变成摩门教的，岂不更好
【在 m****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 这篇根本不是我们教会的帖子。是其他教会基督徒的。
: 我们教会在教义上不是仅仅根据圣经来解经的，我们有更多经文，就会澄清很多误解。
: http://scriptures.lds.org/zh/moro/8
| z**********i
发帖数: 165 | 8 不是你的帖子，是你的血统。你根不红，苗不正。
【在 m****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 这篇根本不是我们教会的帖子。是其他教会基督徒的。
: 我们教会在教义上不是仅仅根据圣经来解经的，我们有更多经文，就会澄清很多误解。
: http://scriptures.lds.org/zh/moro/8
| s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 9 把那些邪教徒加尔文派赶走就好
【在 z**********i 的大作中提到】
: 不是你的帖子，是你的血统。你根不红，苗不正。
| z**********i
发帖数: 165 | 10 嗯，自古正邪不两立。从此你就是福音一派掌门人。
【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: 把那些邪教徒加尔文派赶走就好
| | | m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 11
说的是。
我不是很在乎门派的，我不认为只有LDS的人能得救，很多人都能。凡是信耶稣，愿意
悔改罪，并持守到底的，都能。神的恩典比我们能够想象的都大的多。
只是LDS经过我的调研，我认为真的持有耶稣赐予的权柄，这个是跟其他教会唯一不同
的地方。大家都在传耶稣的福音，LDS的更圆满，包含了很多其他教派好的内容。
对我们不认同的觉得错误的，我们也没有必要去攻击---因为，审判是按照人的行为和
心意的，并非按照你的信仰如何，你信什么，跟你的心意和行为，是两个不同，但相关
的范畴。就好似树和果子的关系，审判是要看你的果子的。
信仰是知识范畴。一个人可以不懂得很多知识，但不断行善，神就嘉许。
一个人即便懂得很多知识，但就是行不出爱人如己，反倒恨恶别人，知识再多也没用。
耶稣救赎的福音，就是为人犯的罪附上了无限的代价，他的复活，预示着所有人都要复
活，他是初熟的果子。这是人类真实的希望和将来。
他就要来，建立神的千禧年王国。
耶稣就是王！
【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: 你多传传福音吧，反正大家把你说的一切话都当作摩门教的
: 那么福音真理就变成摩门教的，岂不更好
| z**********i
发帖数: 165 | 12 神的大能，在每一人的身上都是不同的，所以每一人对神的感动也是不同的，这也造成
了每个人的不同观点，但这并不能证明你感受的神就是邪教的神。神是万能的，拯救人
的具体体现方式也是不同的。
【在 m****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 说的是。
: 我不是很在乎门派的，我不认为只有LDS的人能得救，很多人都能。凡是信耶稣，愿意
: 悔改罪，并持守到底的，都能。神的恩典比我们能够想象的都大的多。
: 只是LDS经过我的调研，我认为真的持有耶稣赐予的权柄，这个是跟其他教会唯一不同
: 的地方。大家都在传耶稣的福音，LDS的更圆满，包含了很多其他教派好的内容。
: 对我们不认同的觉得错误的，我们也没有必要去攻击---因为，审判是按照人的行为和
: 心意的，并非按照你的信仰如何，你信什么，跟你的心意和行为，是两个不同，但相关
: 的范畴。就好似树和果子的关系，审判是要看你的果子的。
: 信仰是知识范畴。一个人可以不懂得很多知识，但不断行善，神就嘉许。
| m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 13
阿门！
【在 z**********i 的大作中提到】
: 神的大能，在每一人的身上都是不同的，所以每一人对神的感动也是不同的，这也造成
: 了每个人的不同观点，但这并不能证明你感受的神就是邪教的神。神是万能的，拯救人
: 的具体体现方式也是不同的。
| z**********i
发帖数: 165 | 14 阿门也不行！ 你还是根不红，苗不正。 你要感谢神你生活在今天的时代， 要是在中
世纪， 呵呵。。。
【在 m****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 阿门！
| a**u
发帖数: 8107 | 15 看谁掌权了，也许加尔文早就被bbq了呢
【在 z**********i 的大作中提到】
: 阿门也不行！ 你还是根不红，苗不正。 你要感谢神你生活在今天的时代， 要是在中
: 世纪， 呵呵。。。
| m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 16 here are numerous Bible verses, in plain, literal language, that affirm the
innocency of infants, and Psalm 51:5 must not be arrayed against these.
Consider the following:
(1) Scripture plainly teaches that sin is not inherited. “[T]he son shall
not bear the iniquity of the father” (Ezekiel 18:20); every person is
responsible for his own conduct (Romans 14:12).
惟有犯罪的，他必死亡。儿子必不担当父亲的罪孽，父亲也不担当儿子的罪孽。义人的
善果必归自己，恶人的恶报也必归自己。
14:12这样看来，我们各人必要将自己的事，在神面前说明。
(2) Human sinfulness commences in that period of one’s life that is
characterized as youth (Genesis 8:21; Jeremiah 3:25).
And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will
not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of
man's heart [is] evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more
every thing living, as I have done.
3:25We lie down in our shame, and our confusion covereth us: for we have
sinned against the LORD our God, we and our fathers, from our youth even
unto this day, and have not obeyed the voice of the LORD our God.
(3) A child must reach a certain level of maturity before he is able to
choose between evil and good (Isaiah 7:15, 16).
到他晓得弃恶择善的时候，他必吃奶油与蜂蜜。
因为在这孩子还不晓得弃恶择善之先，你所憎恶的那两王之地，必致见弃。
(4) The qualities of little children are set forth as models for those who
would aspire to enter the kingdom (Matthew 18:3; 19:14) and for those
already in the church (1 Corinthians 14:20). Surely the Lord was not
suggesting that we emulate little, totally corrupt sinners!
弟兄们，在心志上不要作小孩子。然而在恶事上要作婴孩。在心志上总要作大人。
(5) The human spirit is not inherited from one’s parents; rather, it
isgiven by God (Ecclesiastes 12:7; Hebrews 12:9). Hence, at birth it must
beas pure as the source from whence it comes.
Clearly, babies are not born in sin. | D******r
发帖数: 637 | 17 re
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【在 m****a 的大作中提到】
: http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/276-original-sin-and-a
: “Original Sin” and a Misapplied Passage
: By Wayne Jackson
: The doctrine of original sin—the notion that one is born into this world
: hereditarily totally depraved—is widely believed in the religious world.
: For example, the Augsburg Confession of Faith (1530), Lutheranism’s creed,
: asserted:
: [A]ll men, born according to nature, are born with sin, that is, without
: the fear of God, without confidence towards God and with concupiscence, and
: that this original disease or flaw is truly a sin, bringing condemnation
| m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 18 Because of the Fall of Adam and Eve, all people live in a fallen condition,
separated from God and subject to physical death.
However, we are not condemned by what many call the “original sin.” In
other words, we are not accountable for Adam's transgression in the Garden
of Eden.
The Prophet Joseph Smith said, “We believe that men will be punished for
their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression” (Articles of Faith 1:2)--
-我们信人为自己的罪受惩罚，并不为亚当的违诫。 |
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