t***k
发帖数: 610 | 1 http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2012/05/04/fas
It seems intermittent fasting is effective for transferring sugar-mode into
fat-mode for fat burning.
Wondering if I should skip/significantly reduce my lunch size?
Only concern is afternoon/evening workout might be affected because too
hungry. | j****y
发帖数: 1714 | 2 skip breakfast is a better choice..
you can have a larger time window without food, starting from last night's
dinner to today's lunch.
I have been doing this for months and feeling great.
into
【在 t***k 的大作中提到】
: http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2012/05/04/fas
: It seems intermittent fasting is effective for transferring sugar-mode into
: fat-mode for fat burning.
: Wondering if I should skip/significantly reduce my lunch size?
: Only concern is afternoon/evening workout might be affected because too
: hungry.
| g******n
发帖数: 53185 | 3 不吃早饭一样会分泌胃液，长期没有东西消化就会得结石。而且一晚上加一个上午没东
西吃，对身体尤其是肝脏不好。女人消耗少一些也许能对付，男人长期这么干身体就垮
了。
【在 j****y 的大作中提到】
: skip breakfast is a better choice..
: you can have a larger time window without food, starting from last night's
: dinner to today's lunch.
: I have been doing this for months and feeling great.
:
: into
| B*Q
发帖数: 25729 | 4 嗯，俺早饭是吃的最多，最长的一顿。8:00 -- 11:00, 坐在办公室里不停的吃，一直
到午饭。 | j****y
发帖数: 1714 | 5 理论来源？可以看看原始依据么？
【在 g******n 的大作中提到】
: 不吃早饭一样会分泌胃液，长期没有东西消化就会得结石。而且一晚上加一个上午没东
: 西吃，对身体尤其是肝脏不好。女人消耗少一些也许能对付，男人长期这么干身体就垮
: 了。
| t***k
发帖数: 610 | 6 http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2012/05/04/fas
It seems intermittent fasting is effective for transferring sugar-mode into
fat-mode for fat burning.
Wondering if I should skip/significantly reduce my lunch size?
Only concern is afternoon/evening workout might be affected because too
hungry. | j****y
发帖数: 1714 | 7 skip breakfast is a better choice..
you can have a larger time window without food, starting from last night's
dinner to today's lunch.
I have been doing this for months and feeling great.
into
【在 t***k 的大作中提到】
: http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2012/05/04/fas
: It seems intermittent fasting is effective for transferring sugar-mode into
: fat-mode for fat burning.
: Wondering if I should skip/significantly reduce my lunch size?
: Only concern is afternoon/evening workout might be affected because too
: hungry.
| g******n
发帖数: 53185 | 8 不吃早饭一样会分泌胃液，长期没有东西消化就会得结石。而且一晚上加一个上午没东
西吃，对身体尤其是肝脏不好。女人消耗少一些也许能对付，男人长期这么干身体就垮
了。
【在 j****y 的大作中提到】
: skip breakfast is a better choice..
: you can have a larger time window without food, starting from last night's
: dinner to today's lunch.
: I have been doing this for months and feeling great.
:
: into
| B*Q
发帖数: 25729 | 9 嗯，俺早饭是吃的最多，最长的一顿。8:00 -- 11:00, 坐在办公室里不停的吃，一直
到午饭。 | j****y
发帖数: 1714 | 10 理论来源？可以看看原始依据么？
【在 g******n 的大作中提到】
: 不吃早饭一样会分泌胃液，长期没有东西消化就会得结石。而且一晚上加一个上午没东
: 西吃，对身体尤其是肝脏不好。女人消耗少一些也许能对付，男人长期这么干身体就垮
: 了。
| | | d**********u
发帖数: 727 | 11
Gallbladder motility and gallstone formation in obese patients following
very low calorie diets. Use it (fat) to lose it (well).
Festi D, Colecchia A, Orsini M, Sangermano A, Sottili S, Simoni P, Mazzella
G, Villanova N, Bazzoli F, Lapenna D, Petroni ML, Pavesi S, Neri M, Roda E.
Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 1998 Jun;22(6):592-600.
【在 j****y 的大作中提到】
: 理论来源？可以看看原始依据么？
| J***n
发帖数: 210 | 12
Mazzella
It proves nothing related to IF or skipping breakfast.
Only "obese" people with "very low" calorie diet are studied. None developed
gallstones when dietary fat intake is adequate.
RESULT:
Twenty-two (69%) subjects concluded the study, eleven in each group, and a
significant weight loss was achieved by all subjects. Gallstones (
asymptomatic) developed in 6/11 (54.5%) (P < 0.01) of subjects following the
lower fat diet, but in none with the higher fat regimen. In the dieters
during the first three months (very low calorie phase) the higher fat meals
always induced a significantly greater gallbladder emptying than the lower
fat meals. The cholesterol saturation index initially increased
significantly and then decreased, without difference between the two groups.
CONCLUSION:
In the obese during rapid weight loss from a very low calorie diet, a
relatively high fat intake could prevent gallstone formation, probably by
maintaining an adequate gallbladder emptying, which could counterbalance
lithogenic mechanisms acting during weight loss.
【在 d**********u 的大作中提到】
:
: Gallbladder motility and gallstone formation in obese patients following
: very low calorie diets. Use it (fat) to lose it (well).
: Festi D, Colecchia A, Orsini M, Sangermano A, Sottili S, Simoni P, Mazzella
: G, Villanova N, Bazzoli F, Lapenna D, Petroni ML, Pavesi S, Neri M, Roda E.
: Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 1998 Jun;22(6):592-600.
| d**********u
发帖数: 727 | 13 There are some evidences showing that skipping meals are related with GI
disorder including changes in liver function and metabolism in both animal
and human studies. Most of studies are midd-term. Long term effect is not
clear. At least, individuals with impaired liver function is not recommended
for this type of diet,suggesting that it may elevate liver burden,
including fat oxidation rate in liver, which might be good to reduce the
subcutaneous fat but significantly elevate visceral fat.-----could be
similar with the mechanisms of CLA increasing liver fat.
developed
the
meals
【在 J***n 的大作中提到】
:
: Mazzella
: It proves nothing related to IF or skipping breakfast.
: Only "obese" people with "very low" calorie diet are studied. None developed
: gallstones when dietary fat intake is adequate.
: RESULT:
: Twenty-two (69%) subjects concluded the study, eleven in each group, and a
: significant weight loss was achieved by all subjects. Gallstones (
: asymptomatic) developed in 6/11 (54.5%) (P < 0.01) of subjects following the
: lower fat diet, but in none with the higher fat regimen. In the dieters
| J***n
发帖数: 210 | 14
recommended
Bare in mind I am not in this field. But my cursory pubmed search did not
turn up anything meaningful linking fasting to liver damage. I would
appreciate it if you could share some peer reviewed papers on this,
preferably based on in vivo human studies. I am curious about how fasting
shall elevate liver burden as you
mentioned.
My issue here is actually regarding the meal timing or frequency. Who is to
say we should eat three meals a day, and when? Guess we mostly follow our
parents but are there really biological reasons behind it?
Aren't there cultures where people eat two meals a day? Can we say they
skipped a meal? There are suggestions that it is better to eat five or six
meals a day. Ooops then those who only eat three meals a day must have
skipped a meal or two right? So somehow their liver is burdened, at least
somewhat, compared to those who eat more meals? So 16-hour fasting window
suggested by IF guys are too long? Any real prof?
【在 d**********u 的大作中提到】
: There are some evidences showing that skipping meals are related with GI
: disorder including changes in liver function and metabolism in both animal
: and human studies. Most of studies are midd-term. Long term effect is not
: clear. At least, individuals with impaired liver function is not recommended
: for this type of diet,suggesting that it may elevate liver burden,
: including fat oxidation rate in liver, which might be good to reduce the
: subcutaneous fat but significantly elevate visceral fat.-----could be
: similar with the mechanisms of CLA increasing liver fat.
:
: developed
| d**********u
发帖数: 727 | 15 Effect on Hepatic Morphology of Treatment of Obesity by Fasting, Reducing
Diets and Small-Bowel Bypass
Ernst J. Drenick, M.D., Fred Simmons, M.D., and John F. Murphy, M.D.
N Engl J Med 1970; 282:829-834April 9, 1970DOI: 10.1056/NEJM197004092821502
Fasting in obesity
JP Capron, J Delamarre, JL Dupas, A Braillon… - Digestive diseases and …,
1982 - Springer
Lipid metabolism and liver inflammation. II. Fatty liver disease and fatty
acid oxidation
JK Reddy, MS Rao - … of Physiology-Gastrointestinal and Liver …, 2006 - Am
Physiological Soc
Hepatic effects of dietary weight loss in morbidly obese subjects
Teis AndersenCorresponding author contact information, 1,
Christian Gluud2,
Maria-Benedicte Franzmann3,
Per Christoffersen3
Defect in Peroxisome Proliferator-activated Receptor α-inducible Fatty Acid
Oxidation Determines the Severity of Hepatic Steatosis in Response to
Fasting*
Takashi Hashimoto,
William S. Cook,
Chao Qi,
Anjana V. Yeldandi,
Janardan K. Reddy‡ and
M. Sambasiva Rao |
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