G***G
发帖数: 16778 | 1 check this updatest news. this car is associated with the victim, Tong Shao.
Justin Andrews
Sep 27, 2014 5:18 p.m.
Iowa City Police say an autopsy has been scheduled with the Johnson County
Medical Examiner's Office for a body found in the trunk of a car Friday
night.
Police believe the car is associated with Tong Shao, 20, who has been
missing for nearly 20 days.
Shao is an international student studying chemical engineering at Iowa State
University.
"That car was stinking, but we didn't know i... 阅读全帖 |
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Z****a
发帖数: 5434 | 2 翻译有问题。法医只能确定死亡原因，没有权利定罪
homicide强调的是他杀，与suicide相对应，不应翻译成凶杀。 |
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d******y
发帖数: 2787 | 3 建议哪位律师来解释清楚
Homicide 是相对 suicide 而言的，就是他杀，所以是法医来鉴定的. 最近的几个天使
案子都是一样的。总不能说他们自杀吧?
只有检察官才能定罪起诉，故意还是过失，Murder (恶意杀人）vs. voluntary
manslaughter ( 故意杀人）vs. involuntary manslaughter (过失杀人）
你说纽约媒体和司法部门这次故意揪住梁警官缓和黑白警民矛盾，顺便欺负华人是完全
可能的，但是不可能定谋杀啊
只能说中文报纸记者水平太呵呵了
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8 |
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t*****k
发帖数: 395 | 4 协警road rage 把枪怒射，居然是朝着passenger side window射出，击中手无寸铁的
女司机，而坐在副驾的协警女友则后仰让开弹道，让子弹从副驾穿过
http://www.click2houston.com/news/pct-6-offduty-deputy-charged-
HOUSTON -
A Precinct 6 reserve deputy constable has landed on the wrong side of the
law after authorities say he shot a woman during a road rage incident in
southwest Houston.
"He tried to kill me," said the woman.
The deputy, Kenneth Caplan, was charged with aggravated assault with a
deadly weapon.
"I'm worried that since he's a cop, they're going ... 阅读全帖 |
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b********n
发帖数: 38600 | 5 "The rise of the welfare state in the 1960s contributed greatly to the
demise of the black family as a stable institution. The out-of-wedlock birth
rate among African Americans today is 73%, three times higher than it was
prior to the War on Poverty. Children raised in fatherless homes are far
more likely to grow up poor and to eventually engage in criminal behavior,
than their peers who are raised in two-parent homes. In 2010, blacks (
approximately 13% of the U.S. population) accounted for 48.... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 42116 | 6 Hundreds of police killings are not included in the Federal Bureau of
Investigation’s records on the matter, according to a new report.
More than 550 homicides by police officers between 2007 and 2012 were
missing from the federal statistics or not attributed to the law enforcement
agency involved, the Wall Street Journal reported. |
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发帖数: 29576 | 8 老黑在后座把手放兜里不肯下车，警察警告无效掏出taser，老黑拔枪互射，警察被打
倒。MB抗议看来还是有效果的，白警察面对黑人拔枪都要考虑再三。
Officer Andrew Groman stood outside the car and ordered passenger Donte
Jones to show his hands, police say, but the 19-year-old passenger wouldn't.
Groman warned Jones he would be hit with a Taser. Finally, police say, the
officer fired the shock gun at him.
At the same time, police say, Jones withdrew a black revolver and squeezed
off three rounds. A bullet slipped under Groman's bulletproof vest, police
say, wounding him... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29576 | 9
看来和公安接触不顺利，没啥进展。不知道现在中美抓人怎么操作，是不是双方
各提供想抓的名单，你抓一个给我，我才抓一个给你。
Iowa City police have previously said that Chinese and U.S. officials were
communicating about the case.
“So far it’s been very positive contact,” said Iowa City Police Sgt.
Scott Gaarde at the end of September.
On Thursday, Lyness said she could not comment on whether those talks were
still ongoing.
“With any investigation, you’re going to want to talk to anybody who has
information and if they’re not easily accessible, that can cert... 阅读全帖 |
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f********4
发帖数: 2883 | 10 好消息，刚才看到有人已经举例纽约警察2004年跟梁警官最相似的意外走火打死人案，
警察被大陪审团免于起诉。那个白人警察在政府房的房顶上巡逻，跟梁警官一样拿着枪
，手指放在扳机上，当他正打开通往楼井的门时，一个人突然推门而入，他吓一跳而走
火打死此人。大陪审团认为这是一个意外而免于起诉。
梁警官的枪击更意外，是从墙上弹射过去打死格里的。两个案子比较可见，梁警官完全
是被当了黑白冲突的替罪羊，因为政治原因被起诉的。如果那个警察都无罪，为什么梁
警官要有罪？这是最好的case law，梁警官可以据此辩护。
The shooting of Timothy Stansbury occurred in New York City on January 24,
2004. Stansbury was an unarmed 19-year-old New York City man who was shot
and killed by New York Police Department Officer Richard S. Neri Jr. on
January 24, 2004. Officer ... 阅读全帖 |
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f********4
发帖数: 2883 | 11 梁警官是意外走火，这已经是纽约警方的官方说法。官方这样说当然也是经过调查，比
如验尸官报告，墙上的新鲜弹痕，等等。现在他被起诉的原因是因为检察官认为他不该
造成这样的走火。你举的那个把人当成熊打死没有被起诉的案例很好。梁警官的案子已
经有人找到最近似的一个案子：
好消息，刚才看到有人已经举例纽约警察2004年跟梁警官最相似的意外走火打死人案，
警察被大陪审团免于起诉。那个白人警察在政府房的房顶上巡逻，跟梁警官一样拿着枪
，手指放在扳机上，当他正打开通往楼井的门时，一个人突然推门而入，他吓一跳而走
火打死此人。大陪审团认为这是一个意外而免于起诉。
梁警官的枪击更意外，是从墙上弹射过去打死格里的。两个案子比较可见，梁警官完全
是被当了黑白冲突的替罪羊，因为政治原因被起诉的。如果那个警察都无罪，为什么梁
警官要有罪？这是最好的case law，梁警官可以据此辩护。
The shooting of Timothy Stansbury occurred in New York City on January 24,
2004. Stansbury was an unarmed 19-year-o... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4718 | 12 这个也很好。
Yue Zhang New York Yesterday
More than 100,000 Chinese Americans stand behind Officer Peter Liang.
Margaret Chin and Cathay Dang are entirely wrong to pick Officer Liang's
case as an example of police brutality. Officer Liang is merely performing
his duty in a very dangerous environment and had no intention to shoot, let
alone kill anyone. There is eerie similarity between this case and the
shooting death of Timothy Stansbury Jr. that occurred in January 2004, when
Officer Richard S. Neri... 阅读全帖 |
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S*********g
发帖数: 24893 | 13 【 以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区 】
发信人: StephenKing (金博士), 信区: SanFrancisco
标 题: 王征：王晨光被害事件记实
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Aug 11 01:49:27 2014, 美东)
前言
弟弟王晨光遇难十多年了。我一直有一个念头，要把这一事件的始 末写出来，昭示于
天下 。当年事情发生时，有人提醒我们应当做记录，我挺听话地记录了一年有余。但
要行笔成文，确是十分困难，每次重读那些记录无异于重揭伤疤，鲜血淋漓惨不忍睹。
晨光去世两年和五年之际我都曾试图整理出来，但都写不下去。
晨光遇难， 对我们来说太悲惨太不寻常。它让我看到了人性中凶残冷酷愚昧的一面，
为了一点点钱就可以夺去别人的生命，给一个家庭带来无尽的悲痛和不可估量的伤害。
事情发生后也让我看到了人性中美好温暖善良的一面，有很多的好心人热心人向我们伸
出了支援的双手，帮助我们走过那暗无天日的岁月。
我迟迟不能动笔还因为，晨光出事后我们一直瞒着我们的母亲。我们不忍也不敢告诉她
，接连的失去爱子，白发人送黑发人，不是一个年近八十岁的老人所能够承受的。... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 38600 | 14 A lot of banker, hedge fund mgr., and investment group trader 'suicides', '
unsolved homicides' in the past 2 years! There are websites that list their
names/positions. Vast majority of them were 'on top of their game'. Healthy
marriages/families, financially prosperous, etc. Did they see something that
we are not allowed to see? Did they threaten to report/reveal something
that certain powers that be don't want to be revealed? Has the makings of a
Dan Brown novel. Certain economic websites keep... 阅读全帖 |
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g**1
发帖数: 10330 | 15 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3151693/Woman-shot-head
Production assistant, 30, shot dead as she walked with her boyfriend in
Hollywood: Cops hunt for shotgun-wielding gunman who fled in car
Carrie Jean Melvin, 30, was killed on Sunday night when a gunman crept up
behind her and shot her in the head as she was strolling with her boyfriend
Police are still looking for the black male suspect in his mid 20s who fled
the scene in a sedan
Homicide Detective John Skaggs said that a motive is... 阅读全帖 |
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S*********g
发帖数: 24893 | 16 【 以下文字转载自 WaterWorld 讨论区 】
发信人: StephenKing (金博士), 信区: WaterWorld
标 题: 王征：王晨光被害事件记实
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Aug 11 01:49:51 2014, 美东)
前言
弟弟王晨光遇难十多年了。我一直有一个念头，要把这一事件的始 末写出来，昭示于
天下 。当年事情发生时，有人提醒我们应当做记录，我挺听话地记录了一年有余。但
要行笔成文，确是十分困难，每次重读那些记录无异于重揭伤疤，鲜血淋漓惨不忍睹。
晨光去世两年和五年之际我都曾试图整理出来，但都写不下去。
晨光遇难， 对我们来说太悲惨太不寻常。它让我看到了人性中凶残冷酷愚昧的一面，
为了一点点钱就可以夺去别人的生命，给一个家庭带来无尽的悲痛和不可估量的伤害。
事情发生后也让我看到了人性中美好温暖善良的一面，有很多的好心人热心人向我们伸
出了支援的双手，帮助我们走过那暗无天日的岁月。
我迟迟不能动笔还因为，晨光出事后我们一直瞒着我们的母亲。我们不忍也不敢告诉她
，接连的失去爱子，白发人送黑发人，不是一个年近八十岁的老人所能够承受的。为了
瞒... 阅读全帖 |
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S**C
发帖数: 2964 | 20 St. Louis is #1. Its east (including East St. Louis, IL) and north part is
quite scary. |
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I*3
发帖数: 7012 | 21 http://aad.archives.gov/aad/record-detail.jsp?dt=2514&mtch=865&
我帝NARA正式的档案记录，
看清楚，
HOSTILE OR NON-HOSTILE DEATH INDICATOR： Non-Hostile Death
CASUALTY CATEGORY： ACCIDENT
点CASUALTY CATEGORY，可以看到有几种分类，
Sample Values:
ACCIDENT
DECLARED DEAD
DIED OF WOUNDS
HOMICIDE
ILLNESS
KILLED IN ACTION
SELF-INFLICTED
ACCIDENT不能凭你一张嘴就瞎归到KIA里。
还军事大牛，还律师。哥一条NARA正式的档案记录抵你一百个军事大牛+一百个律师。
你服不服。 |
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a******9
发帖数: 20431 | 22 媒体上homicide新闻天天都有无数
没人会关注的
你知道老中最近又杀人了 是因为你也是老中 而且上菌斑 |
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 23 Police: Girl found dead in freezer had been missing for year
MIAMI — The body of an 11-year-old girl who had apparently been missing for
more than a year - though authorities say no one reported her disappearance
or questioned her whereabouts - was found in a freezer that her mother left
at the home of some family members, police said Monday.
"I'm really upset that we let this child down," Bradenton police Chief
Michael Radzilowski said of Janiya Thomas.
Janiya's grandmother and aunt told author... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 16092 | 24 LOS ANGELES (AP) — The second-degree murder convictions this week of a Los
Angeles-area physician were the first against a U.S. doctor for recklessly
prescribing drugs, the Los Angeles district attorney's office said.
Dr. Hsiu-Ying "Lisa" Tseng was convicted of murder on Friday in a landmark
case for killing three patients who overdosed on what a prosecutor called "
crazy, outrageous amounts" of painkillers she prescribed.
It's rare to bring homicide charges against a physician, but the case cam... 阅读全帖 |
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p*********n
发帖数: 144 | 26 楼主搬去洪都拉斯也可以， 那里禁枪， 可安全了。 “Honduras has the highest
murder rate in the world, with 90.4 homicides per 100,000 people” |
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r*****8
发帖数: 2560 | 27 有枪家庭死亡率高于无枪家庭，你想提高美国华人的死亡率？
你再接着忽悠，你想让美国华人都死掉？
Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home: Findings from a
National Study
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full
有枪家庭，家庭内部凶杀增加。
“ Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those
without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home (adjusted odds
ratio = 1.9, 95% confidence interval: 1.1, 3.4). ”
拥有枪支与自杀率成正相关，每增加1%的枪支拥有，自杀率增加0.5%-0.9%。
“It’s Simple: Fewer Guns, Fewer Suicides”
http://www.slat... 阅读全帖 |
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I*3
发帖数: 7012 | 28 这篇Study有很大的破绽。
这个破绽在于Study里“persons with guns in the home”并不等同我们这里所说的以
保家护身为目的买枪的人。
Study里这些“persons with guns in the home”包括那些一辈子没摸过枪，只是到了
想杀人或想自杀时，去买枪的。Study没说这些人在Samples里所在的比例，但哥认为不
在少数。除去这些纯粹为了杀人去买枪的，那些真正以保家护身为目的买枪的人是否“
at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a
homicide in the home”，不好说。
下面是文中对persons with guns in the home的定义
Proxy respondents were asked, “At any time during the last year of life,
were there any firearms kept in or around the home where the decedent... 阅读全帖 |
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a*****n
发帖数: 2499 | 29 车祸动静太大。
莫名其妙倒毙路边，又没个外伤。
这样最好。unclassified death, cause unknown, but not homicide. |
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b********d
发帖数: 769 | 30 一个枪友转的文章很好，没必要和那几个弱智浪费时间，就这一句够了。
Newsflash for unarmed Americans: We gun owners don't carry for you
by Jeff Knox
3:00PM WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 09, 2015
Like many Americans, I frequently carry a gun. I’ve done so for over 30
years without ever laying hand to it in need. Professor John Lott of the
Crime Prevention Research Center reports that some 12.8 million people, over
5.2 percent of the adult U.S. population, are licensed to carry a concealed
handgun. In addition to concealed carry license holde... 阅读全帖 |
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s*********r
发帖数: 9493 | 31 谋杀的定义：
Homicide：the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another;
murder. |
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s*********r
发帖数: 9493 | 32 homicide好像翻译为 “他杀”，相对于"自杀",suicide。 |
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f********4
发帖数: 2883 | 34 看维基百科对谋杀的分类，一级谋杀要求事先有杀人意愿，同时premeditated是一级谋
杀的标志。二级也要事先杀人意愿，但是非premeditated。
First-degree murder: any intentional murder that is willful and
premeditated with malice aforethought. Felony murder is typically first-
degree.[9]
Second-degree murder: any intentional murder with malice aforethought,
but is not premeditated or planned in advance.[10]
Voluntary manslaughter: (also referred to as third-degree murder),
sometimes called a crime of passion murder, is any intentional killing th... 阅读全帖 |
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f********t
发帖数: 6999 | 35 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: hutuxian (拳打南刀北猫脚踢东奇西虎), 信区: USANews
标 题: 不妙：华人梁警官被定罪：guilty of manslaughter
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Feb 11 19:37:33 2016, 美东)
Officer Peter Liang, who shot and killed an unarmed man in a New York
housing project stairwell in 2014, was found guilty of manslaughter and
official misconduct Thursday. Liang faced trial in Brooklyn on five counts
in the death of 28-year-old Akai Gurley: manslaughter, assault, reckless
endangerment, criminally negligent homicide and official ... 阅读全帖 |
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f********4
发帖数: 2883 | 37 重贴旧文：
跟梁警官最相似的意外走火打死人案，警察被大陪审团免于起诉
好消息，刚才看到有人已经举例纽约警察2004年跟梁警官最相似的意外走火打死人案，
警察被大陪审团免于起诉。那个白人警察在政府房的房顶上巡逻，跟梁警官一样拿着枪
，手指放在扳机上，当他正打开通往楼井的门时，一个人突然推门而入，他吓一跳而走
火打死此人。大陪审团认为这是一个意外而免于起诉。
梁警官的枪击更意外，是从墙上弹射过去打死格里的。两个案子比较可见，梁警官完全
是被当了黑白冲突的替罪羊，因为政治原因被起诉的。如果那个警察都无罪，为什么梁
警官要有罪？这是最好的case law，梁警官可以据此辩护。
The shooting of Timothy Stansbury occurred in New York City on January 24,
2004. Stansbury was an unarmed 19-year-old New York City man who was shot
and killed by New York Police Department Officer Richard S. Ner... 阅读全帖 |
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y*d
发帖数: 2226 | 38
判的是manslaughter，杀人罪
而不是negligent homicide，过失杀人罪
前者是重罪可以判最高15年，后者最高判4年。
因为liang事情刚发生时候就说错了话，所以判guilty是在意料之中的。但是判成
manslaughter就太扯了 |
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m**i
发帖数: 9848 | 39 negligent homicide是疏忽导致对方死亡，这个罪成立的条件是被告不能做动作，被动
的让受害者渴死饿死冻死热死流血致死，这里不成立。 |
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c****k
发帖数: 462 | 40 Since 1999, there were 179 police killings in NYC. Three indictments were
made, resulting in one conviction.
Officer Conroy was convicted of criminally negligent homicide for the 2003
shooting of Ousmane Zongo. Zongo, innocent party in a police raid of a CD
counterfeiting operation, was running away from the plain clothes cop when
he was shot at the back multiple times. Conroy was sentenced to 5 years
probation plus community service.
Big difference in the Conroy case as the victim was delibe... 阅读全帖 |
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s**r
发帖数: 685 | 41 梁的律师团应该知道这个案例吧。
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Timothy_Stansbury、
The shooting of Timothy Stansbury occurred in New York City on January 24,
2004. Stansbury was an unarmed 19-year-old New York City man who was shot
and killed by New York Police Department Officer Richard S. Neri Jr. on
January 24, 2004. Officer Neri and a partner were patrolling the rooftop of
a housing project in the Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood of Brooklyn at
about 1 a.m. Officer Neri, with his gun drawn, approac... 阅读全帖 |
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h***n
发帖数: 1600 | 42 这个可能有用，从Ne YorkTimes此文的comment 中找出来的
You are describing Negligent Homicide, NYS 125.10, punishable up to 4 years.
The officer here was convicted of Manslaughter in the Second Degree, NYS
125.15, punishable up to 15 years. The charge against the officer requires
proof of recklessness. (Negligence is not enough.) Under New York law,
recklessness is defined as follows;
A person acts recklessly with respect to a result or a circumstance when he
is aware of and consciously disregards a substantial an... 阅读全帖 |
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l**j
发帖数: 13 | 43 这是我几天前写的约稿，本文只是基于采访录的直接翻译，并不掺杂我个人在此案中的
观点。
最近，微信里铺天盖地都是对梁彼得有罪判决的抗议和捐款呼吁，很多海外华人和国内
的读者纷纷留言请我谈谈我的看法。我虽然对本案一直都有追踪，对美国法律也算相对
了解较深，但我毕竟不是执业刑事律师（Criminal Lawyer）。今早这里下雪停课停工
，我得以有时间给每个认识的刑事律师打电话，终于找到一位对此案有所关注的律师C.
Aaron来谈谈他对此案的看法。
舞：最近民众尤其是华裔非常关注的梁彼得一案被陪审团定罪，您能用比较大众的语言
来介绍一下梁彼得被起诉和定罪的罪名吗？
查：这是一个非常不幸的案子，一个年轻的非裔无辜丧生，另一个年轻的亚裔很可能将
要在监狱呆很长的时间，不管怎样看，此案没有赢家，更是两个家庭的灾难。梁彼得去
年被大陪审团指控多项罪名，其中包括二级误杀（second-degree manslaughter）、过
失致死（criminally negligent homicide）、二级袭击（second-degree assault）、
危害他人安全（reckless endange... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 15191 | 44 你还是说说该怎么办吧，说点有可行性的。现阶段目标把Peter Liang的罪名变成
negligent homicide，长期目标保证对亚裔司法公正。 |
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发帖数: 3206 | 45 明明是事故和失误，应该是个民事赔偿官司。DA恶心点可以起诉个negligent homicide
，那黑人DA居然起诉谋杀，太过分了。 |
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发帖数: 7676 | 46 2nd degree manslaughter 和 negligent homicide有啥区别？ |
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发帖数: 4044 | 47 是呀，明显是个手枪走火的事故，黑人其实也没啥怨气，DA确实没事找事。
homicide |
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发帖数: 11319 | 48 陪审团说，扳机10磅重，不可能走火，一定是有意扣扳机
但是事实是，NYPD仅仅去年就有18起走火
陪审团还说，Peter Liang明知道黑暗中有人，还把手枪掏出来做好射击准备，是有
intention的homicide
但是事实是，Peter Liang手枪发射的子弹是打到墙壁反弹以后才击中Gurly。 |
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发帖数: 13 | 49 这是我几天前写的约稿，本文只是基于采访录的直接翻译，并不掺杂我个人在此案中的
观点。
最近，微信里铺天盖地都是对梁彼得有罪判决的抗议和捐款呼吁，很多海外华人和国内
的读者纷纷留言请我谈谈我的看法。我虽然对本案一直都有追踪，对美国法律也算相对
了解较深，但我毕竟不是执业刑事律师（Criminal Lawyer）。今早这里下雪停课停工
，我得以有时间给每个认识的刑事律师打电话，终于找到一位对此案有所关注的律师C.
Aaron来谈谈他对此案的看法。
舞：最近民众尤其是华裔非常关注的梁彼得一案被陪审团定罪，您能用比较大众的语言
来介绍一下梁彼得被起诉和定罪的罪名吗？
查：这是一个非常不幸的案子，一个年轻的非裔无辜丧生，另一个年轻的亚裔很可能将
要在监狱呆很长的时间，不管怎样看，此案没有赢家，更是两个家庭的灾难。梁彼得去
年被大陪审团指控多项罪名，其中包括二级误杀（second-degree manslaughter）、过
失致死（criminally negligent homicide）、二级袭击（second-degree assault）、
危害他人安全（reckless endange... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 11319 | 50 别tmd偷换概念了
梁警官被判2nd degree homicide，就是说陪审团认为他在事前就有伤害被害人的主观
意图
同样的逻辑，你在车子启动的时候踩了油门把速度加起来，也就已经拥有了车祸时杀人
的主观意图 |
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