p****m
发帖数: 8 | 1 wireless方向。一个lab的3个师兄，背景强得不得了，paper都是一大堆的。今年都毕业，
没一个找到工作的，有人连interview都没有。老板说，留下等明年吧？
可是明年还有2个师兄要毕业呢，这样年年积压下来不知道明年会不会更糟。 |
w***f
发帖数: 75 | 2 不会吧， 除非他们期望标准太高， 非名校 Faculty 不去，根本不考虑
Industry 或 post-doc 职位。
Wireless networking 的 Academia tenure track positions 是有些饱和
了， 但 Industry 需求还是很强的啊。
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: wireless方向。一个lab的3个师兄，背景强得不得了，paper都是一大堆的。今年都毕业，
: 没一个找到工作的，有人连interview都没有。老板说，留下等明年吧？
: 可是明年还有2个师兄要毕业呢，这样年年积压下来不知道明年会不会更糟。
|
p****m
发帖数: 8 | 3 有4个师兄都想去faculty，听说拿到tenure以后就舒服了。而且前两年的经济泡沫+裁员给
他们的印象太深了。
有一个师兄想去公司，或者回国他也愿意。
我还没想好去哪里，基本上也想去做faculty(如果人家肯要我) :-P。感觉要稳定一些。
2001年左右的时候，我们这种Top40的小学校里还有CS毕业生去蛮不错的学校做faculty。
不知道以后会怎样。
【在 w***f 的大作中提到】
: 不会吧， 除非他们期望标准太高， 非名校 Faculty 不去，根本不考虑
: Industry 或 post-doc 职位。
: Wireless networking 的 Academia tenure track positions 是有些饱和
: 了， 但 Industry 需求还是很强的啊。
|
k*****c
发帖数: 1670 | 4 Maybe teaching school is a choice.
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: 有4个师兄都想去faculty，听说拿到tenure以后就舒服了。而且前两年的经济泡沫+裁员给
: 他们的印象太深了。
: 有一个师兄想去公司，或者回国他也愿意。
: 我还没想好去哪里，基本上也想去做faculty(如果人家肯要我) :-P。感觉要稳定一些。
: 2001年左右的时候，我们这种Top40的小学校里还有CS毕业生去蛮不错的学校做faculty。
: 不知道以后会怎样。
|
p****m
发帖数: 8 | 5 teaching school does not has tenure.
【在 k*****c 的大作中提到】
: Maybe teaching school is a choice.
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w***f
发帖数: 75 | 6 想当 faculty 的人多了， 自然就难申请了。 Wireless networking 因为是新方向
不会有太多人退休， faculty自然难找。
我一直认为 CS Ph.d. 因为工业界需求一直很强劲， 如果连 interview 都拿不到
那一定是定位问题。
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: 有4个师兄都想去faculty，听说拿到tenure以后就舒服了。而且前两年的经济泡沫+裁员给
: 他们的印象太深了。
: 有一个师兄想去公司，或者回国他也愿意。
: 我还没想好去哪里，基本上也想去做faculty(如果人家肯要我) :-P。感觉要稳定一些。
: 2001年左右的时候，我们这种Top40的小学校里还有CS毕业生去蛮不错的学校做faculty。
: 不知道以后会怎样。
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A*X
发帖数: 908 | 7 对Berkeley的PHD需求当然很强劲了
【在 w***f 的大作中提到】
: 想当 faculty 的人多了， 自然就难申请了。 Wireless networking 因为是新方向
: 不会有太多人退休， faculty自然难找。
: 我一直认为 CS Ph.d. 因为工业界需求一直很强劲， 如果连 interview 都拿不到
: 那一定是定位问题。
|
w***f
发帖数: 75 | 8 No, 任何学校都一样。 我还没听说如果 Academia, industry 一起找，
最后没找到工作的 CS Ph.d. (当然一门心思找 tenure track faculty
的人有不少做了 post-doc)
【在 A*X 的大作中提到】
: 对Berkeley的PHD需求当然很强劲了
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r****c
发帖数: 2585 | 9 hi
what do you mean by strong? what kind of paper
do they have? These days too many junk conf
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: teaching school does not has tenure.
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p****m
发帖数: 8 | 10 平均每人5篇Infocom吧
【在 r****c 的大作中提到】
: hi
: what do you mean by strong? what kind of paper
: do they have? These days too many junk conf
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k*****c
发帖数: 1670 | 11 这种都找不到工作，我只好上吊了。
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: 平均每人5篇Infocom吧
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r****c
发帖数: 2585 | 12 One problem is that they may ask too much
another problem is that these guys are cooperate together
and they apply for the same school
btw, if your office mate are interested in the lab, you
can drop me the message about their cv.
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: 平均每人5篇Infocom吧
|
p****m
发帖数: 8 | 13 据师兄说，好像是2003年的Infocom好发的不得了（在香港开的），很多中国人都捞了一
大票。还有人一口气中了8篇的，以前屡投不中的陈年老paper都在那一年infocom上发了。
哎，只可惜我才来美国，没撞到这样的好运气。。。。
【在 k*****c 的大作中提到】
: 这种都找不到工作，我只好上吊了。
|
i******y
发帖数: 70 | 14 All first author?
平均每人5篇Infocom吧
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: 据师兄说，好像是2003年的Infocom好发的不得了（在香港开的），很多中国人都捞了一
: 大票。还有人一口气中了8篇的，以前屡投不中的陈年老paper都在那一年infocom上发了。
: 哎，只可惜我才来美国，没撞到这样的好运气。。。。
|
s***e
发帖数: 1490 | 15 不会吧，不然5个师兄就25篇infocom，这个组也太强了吧，还是top40小学校
【在 i******y 的大作中提到】
: All first author?
:
: 平均每人5篇Infocom吧
|
r****c
发帖数: 2585 | 16 It also could be only 5
hehe
【在 s***e 的大作中提到】
: 不会吧，不然5个师兄就25篇infocom，这个组也太强了吧，还是top40小学校
|
w***f
发帖数: 75 | 17 这是个贴主从 Joke 版转来的挖坑贴， 建议 ban ppmmm
一个星期， 太无聊了。
【在 r****c 的大作中提到】
: It also could be only 5
: hehe
|
i******y
发帖数: 70 | 18 发在joke版居然还有人认真而热烈地讨论了半天.感觉大家好无聊阿.感觉自己既无聊还被
愚弄了,决定戒网一天.
【在 w***f 的大作中提到】
: 这是个贴主从 Joke 版转来的挖坑贴， 建议 ban ppmmm
: 一个星期， 太无聊了。
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p****m
发帖数: 8 | 19 气愤！我没有灌水！就是想多听听过来人的建议！
已经是wireless泡沫的牺牲品了，怎么会有心情灌水？
【在 i******y 的大作中提到】
: 发在joke版居然还有人认真而热烈地讨论了半天.感觉大家好无聊阿.感觉自己既无聊还被
: 愚弄了,决定戒网一天.
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f**e
发帖数: 1269 | 20 偶们学校的ece系排名大概30多，我认识的两个今年ce毕业的phd直到现在都还没找到工作，
他们都是什么工作都找，一点都不挑的。
相比之下，我们系积累了N年的master今年全部找到工作跑了，工作还都不错，都是yahoo,microsoft,cisco,nvinia,Mcfee等公司。
【在 r****c 的大作中提到】
: One problem is that they may ask too much
: another problem is that these guys are cooperate together
: and they apply for the same school
: btw, if your office mate are interested in the lab, you
: can drop me the message about their cv.
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k*****c
发帖数: 1670 | 21 这是怎么回事，这些公司都不招Ph.D.吗？
【在 f**e 的大作中提到】
: 偶们学校的ece系排名大概30多，我认识的两个今年ce毕业的phd直到现在都还没找到工作，
: 他们都是什么工作都找，一点都不挑的。
: 相比之下，我们系积累了N年的master今年全部找到工作跑了，工作还都不错，都是yahoo,microsoft,cisco,nvinia,Mcfee等公司。
|
r****c
发帖数: 2585 | 22 I know some guys also
some of them have found the faculty position
and some have not
【在 f**e 的大作中提到】
: 偶们学校的ece系排名大概30多，我认识的两个今年ce毕业的phd直到现在都还没找到工作，
: 他们都是什么工作都找，一点都不挑的。
: 相比之下，我们系积累了N年的master今年全部找到工作跑了，工作还都不错，都是yahoo,microsoft,cisco,nvinia,Mcfee等公司。
|
d******y
发帖数: 1039 | 23 你那热不热？我比较感兴趣。明年毕业，呵呵。
【在 r****c 的大作中提到】
: One problem is that they may ask too much
: another problem is that these guys are cooperate together
: and they apply for the same school
: btw, if your office mate are interested in the lab, you
: can drop me the message about their cv.
|
f**e
发帖数: 1269 | 24 don't know.
希望俺毕业的时候俺能有那运气。。。俺一点都不挑，有份工作养活自己不要做家庭主妇就
好了。
【在 k*****c 的大作中提到】
: 这是怎么回事，这些公司都不招Ph.D.吗？
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s****e
发帖数: 282 | 25 Does your lab require GC?
【在 r****c 的大作中提到】
: I know some guys also
: some of them have found the faculty position
: and some have not
|
r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 26 no, teaching school has tenure too.
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: teaching school does not has tenure.
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k*****c
发帖数: 1670 | 27 就是，我记得也有。
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: no, teaching school has tenure too.
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b********n
发帖数: 609 | 28 永远没有不招，只有过剩。
【在 k*****c 的大作中提到】
: 这是怎么回事，这些公司都不招Ph.D.吗？
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b********n
发帖数: 609 | 29 你在西门子干得好好的老装CS PHD干吗？
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: 气愤！我没有灌水！就是想多听听过来人的建议！
: 已经是wireless泡沫的牺牲品了，怎么会有心情灌水？
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f*****p
发帖数: 235 | 30 haha.
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: 你在西门子干得好好的老装CS PHD干吗？
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 31 maybe intern there?
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: 你在西门子干得好好的老装CS PHD干吗？
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f*****p
发帖数: 235 | 32 好好做Intern留下不就成了。
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: maybe intern there?
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 33 which school?
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: 气愤！我没有灌水！就是想多听听过来人的建议！
: 已经是wireless泡沫的牺牲品了，怎么会有心情灌水？
|
k*****c
发帖数: 1670 | 34 这家伙真是个托儿？
FT，浪费我时间。下午还和他讨论了一下这个问题。
班主，快把这厮给办了！
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: 你在西门子干得好好的老装CS PHD干吗？
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f*****p
发帖数: 235 | 35 也可能是那种喜欢装可怜的牛人。整天唉声叹气，拿到offer比谁都好的哪种。
【在 k*****c 的大作中提到】
: 这家伙真是个托儿？
: FT，浪费我时间。下午还和他讨论了一下这个问题。
: 班主，快把这厮给办了！
|
k*****c
发帖数: 1670 | 36 这种人更要办呀！
【在 f*****p 的大作中提到】
: 也可能是那种喜欢装可怜的牛人。整天唉声叹气，拿到offer比谁都好的哪种。
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r****c
发帖数: 2585 | 37 support
老是矿招摇
【在 k*****c 的大作中提到】
: 这种人更要办呀！
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r**t
发帖数: 937 | 38 正在做intern的吧。
【在 k*****c 的大作中提到】
: 这家伙真是个托儿？
: FT，浪费我时间。下午还和他讨论了一下这个问题。
: 班主，快把这厮给办了！
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e*****n
发帖数: 39 | 39 I read the following reply. Is it fake?
I know one phd doing wireless from our school find faculty position this year.
Sigh, my future direction may be related to wireless.
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: wireless方向。一个lab的3个师兄，背景强得不得了，paper都是一大堆的。今年都毕业，
: 没一个找到工作的，有人连interview都没有。老板说，留下等明年吧？
: 可是明年还有2个师兄要毕业呢，这样年年积压下来不知道明年会不会更糟。
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w******s
发帖数: 60 | 40 It is true that networking phds (in US) are hard to find faculty jobs this yea
r. It depends on your school, boss and publication. How strong is your school?
He got offer from what kind of school, top 20,50,100, below, or teaching job?
发信人: erosion (waiting...), 信区: CS
标 题: Re: 计算机的PhD找工作好难啊, 一年不如一年了！
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 20 00:45:12 2005), 转信
I read the following reply. Is it fake?
I know one phd doing wireless from our school find faculty position this year.
Sigh, my future direction may
【在 e*****n 的大作中提到】
: I read the following reply. Is it fake?
: I know one phd doing wireless from our school find faculty position this year.
: Sigh, my future direction may be related to wireless.
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f*****p
发帖数: 235 | 41 听说有个SIGCOMM的文章的话，还可以。不过去的学校档次不知。
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: It is true that networking phds (in US) are hard to find faculty jobs this yea
: r. It depends on your school, boss and publication. How strong is your school?
: He got offer from what kind of school, top 20,50,100, below, or teaching job?
:
: 发信人: erosion (waiting...), 信区: CS
: 标 题: Re: 计算机的PhD找工作好难啊, 一年不如一年了！
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 20 00:45:12 2005), 转信
: I read the following reply. Is it fake?
: I know one phd doing wireless from our school find faculty position this year.
: Sigh, my future direction may
|
Q*******e
发帖数: 939 | 42 关键是现在学校培养的博士都是烧钱的，去做有些可能不盈利的研究
在经济不景气的时候，没有公司闲着发慌去烧钱
而硕士是干活的，任何时候都需要干活的人
【在 f**e 的大作中提到】
: don't know.
: 希望俺毕业的时候俺能有那运气。。。俺一点都不挑，有份工作养活自己不要做家庭主妇就
: 好了。
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d**d
发帖数: 26 | 43 我觉得PhD 总体上已经供大于求了
除了在一些新兴学科，教职会越来越难找
尤其是在萝卜坑基本已经填满的研究型大学里
现在从Research I大学里毕业的学生，去teaching colleges越来越多
等那些地方也趋于饱和，大家可能得往社区大学看了
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: 气愤！我没有灌水！就是想多听听过来人的建议！
: 已经是wireless泡沫的牺牲品了，怎么会有心情灌水？
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N***N
发帖数: 698 | 44 wireless/sensor network还不错把? 知道有个人找到了和毕业学校一个档次的学校(top3
0)去了, 就是sensor network的.
不过现在想搞这个的人确实很多, 因为paper容易发. 前段时间遇到一个哥们也是搞这个的
, 闲聊中给我说要阻止更多的人进入这个领域，以免竞争太激烈。看你在这么多版都发这
个，不会你也和他想的一样把？ ：-）
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: 气愤！我没有灌水！就是想多听听过来人的建议！
: 已经是wireless泡沫的牺牲品了，怎么会有心情灌水？
|
e*****n
发帖数: 39 | 45 I am in Canada. One of the good schools in Canada.
She got offer from same level school ( a little bit worse).
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: It is true that networking phds (in US) are hard to find faculty jobs this yea
: r. It depends on your school, boss and publication. How strong is your school?
: He got offer from what kind of school, top 20,50,100, below, or teaching job?
:
: 发信人: erosion (waiting...), 信区: CS
: 标 题: Re: 计算机的PhD找工作好难啊, 一年不如一年了！
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 20 00:45:12 2005), 转信
: I read the following reply. Is it fake?
: I know one phd doing wireless from our school find faculty position this year.
: Sigh, my future direction may
|
r****c
发帖数: 2585 | 46 hehe
L0
【在 e*****n 的大作中提到】
: I am in Canada. One of the good schools in Canada.
: She got offer from same level school ( a little bit worse).
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p*****e
发帖数: 5165 | 47 你说的是我同学的老婆吧...偶认识的最聪明的人之一.
【在 e*****n 的大作中提到】
: I am in Canada. One of the good schools in Canada.
: She got offer from same level school ( a little bit worse).
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p*****e
发帖数: 5165 | 48 该姐姐有几个米国的offer没去.
【在 r****c 的大作中提到】
: hehe
: L0
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r****c
发帖数: 2585 | 49 hoho
how many smart guys you know
【在 p*****e 的大作中提到】
: 该姐姐有几个米国的offer没去.
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w******s
发帖数: 60 | 50 只是好奇，她拿到了米国top 50 CS program的offer吗？加拿大的行情跟美国可能不一样
吧，而且那里毕业的好像也很难到米国还可以的program里面当faculty（当然象Erik Dem
aine 那样的Superstar除外了）。
发信人: pistone (古代的事物), 信区: CS
标 题: Re: 计算机的PhD找工作好难啊, 一年不如一年了！
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jul 22 13:14:00 2005), 转信
你说的是我同学的老婆吧...偶认识的最聪明的人之一.
【在 p*****e 的大作中提到】
: 该姐姐有几个米国的offer没去.
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 51 This year, it is very difficult for CS PhDs in USA, especially networking peop
le. I heard from several friends that 50-80% applications in their universiti
es are networking people. I also heard that many students from top 30 univers
ities with around 15 papers (several in infocomm, icdcs, most are first author
s) do not get any interview from any top100 university. Many universities are
also picky this year and positions in several universities are not filled, as
far as I know. Some friend
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: 只是好奇，她拿到了米国top 50 CS program的offer吗？加拿大的行情跟美国可能不一样
: 吧，而且那里毕业的好像也很难到米国还可以的program里面当faculty（当然象Erik Dem
: aine 那样的Superstar除外了）。
:
: 发信人: pistone (古代的事物), 信区: CS
: 标 题: Re: 计算机的PhD找工作好难啊, 一年不如一年了！
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jul 22 13:14:00 2005), 转信
: 你说的是我同学的老婆吧...偶认识的最聪明的人之一.
|
k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 52 Difficult, the faculty job market is so tough this year, expecially for networ
king, wireless people.
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: 只是好奇，她拿到了米国top 50 CS program的offer吗？加拿大的行情跟美国可能不一样
: 吧，而且那里毕业的好像也很难到米国还可以的program里面当faculty（当然象Erik Dem
: aine 那样的Superstar除外了）。
:
: 发信人: pistone (古代的事物), 信区: CS
: 标 题: Re: 计算机的PhD找工作好难啊, 一年不如一年了！
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jul 22 13:14:00 2005), 转信
: 你说的是我同学的老婆吧...偶认识的最聪明的人之一.
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w******s
发帖数: 60 | 53 Yes. This is what I have heard - so I asked rosaic about the cases in Canada.
发信人: kikipie (pie), 信区: CS
标 题: Re: 计算机的PhD找工作好难啊, 一年不如一年了！
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jul 22 15:13:43 2005)
This year, it is very difficult for CS PhDs in USA, especially networking peop
le. I heard from several friends that 50-80% applications in their universiti
es are networking people. I also heard that many students from top 30 univers
ities with around 15 papers (several in infocomm, icdcs, most are first author
s)
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: Difficult, the faculty job market is so tough this year, expecially for networ
: king, wireless people.
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m******y
发帖数: 25 | 54 Canadian univs seem not as tough as US schools this year, just based on my
personal feeling/experience. So it is wise not to focus only US schools;
trying Canadian schools or HK schools at least doesn't hurt; just in case.
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: This year, it is very difficult for CS PhDs in USA, especially networking peop
: le. I heard from several friends that 50-80% applications in their universiti
: es are networking people. I also heard that many students from top 30 univers
: ities with around 15 papers (several in infocomm, icdcs, most are first author
: s) do not get any interview from any top100 university. Many universities are
: also picky this year and positions in several universities are not filled, as
: far as I know. Some friend
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t*s
发帖数: 1504 | 55 HK? i believe they want only mit,berkeley guys...
【在 m******y 的大作中提到】
: Canadian univs seem not as tough as US schools this year, just based on my
: personal feeling/experience. So it is wise not to focus only US schools;
: trying Canadian schools or HK schools at least doesn't hurt; just in case.
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 56 it is not true at all.
【在 t*s 的大作中提到】
: HK? i believe they want only mit,berkeley guys...
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m******y
发帖数: 25 | 57 Not really la. But not every year they have openings.
HKUST and CUHK have openings this year (I meant, the passing season).
HKU doesn't. I am not sure about other HK schools.
Like other schools, it really depends on their recruiting directions and
your background.
Although HK schools or Canadian schools are also very tough, I felt that
they are not as tough as US schools in general.
【在 t*s 的大作中提到】
: HK? i believe they want only mit,berkeley guys...
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 58 No, I know someone from some top30 school went to 香港科技大学last year.
【在 t*s 的大作中提到】
: HK? i believe they want only mit,berkeley guys...
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 59 yes,HK is not as tough as USA this year. I know someone who got a couple of i
nterviews in HK university, but did not get any in USA - he applied for 50-60
US universities and less than 10 HK universities.
【在 m******y 的大作中提到】
: Not really la. But not every year they have openings.
: HKUST and CUHK have openings this year (I meant, the passing season).
: HKU doesn't. I am not sure about other HK schools.
: Like other schools, it really depends on their recruiting directions and
: your background.
: Although HK schools or Canadian schools are also very tough, I felt that
: they are not as tough as US schools in general.
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e*****n
发帖数: 39 | 60 en, our school also has one phd go to HK this year.
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: yes,HK is not as tough as USA this year. I know someone who got a couple of i
: nterviews in HK university, but did not get any in USA - he applied for 50-60
: US universities and less than 10 HK universities.
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b*****y
发帖数: 44 | 61 If you are the student of the department head, it's a different story.
This year HKUST recruited 3 ppl, one from U Mich., one Waterloo and Zhang Qian
from MSRA.
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: No, I know someone from some top30 school went to 香港科技大学last year.
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 62 the department head is not enough...
if you know how "Cow" is his advisor... (the last year's guy)
【在 b*****y 的大作中提到】
: If you are the student of the department head, it's a different story.
: This year HKUST recruited 3 ppl, one from U Mich., one Waterloo and Zhang Qian
: from MSRA.
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 63 A friend of mine got interview in this university, but he did not go for inter
view. He did not get any faculty interview in USA this year. He has < 6 publ
ications (most are not first author) and his advisor is not the dept. chair, t
he ranking of his school is 20+.
【在 b*****y 的大作中提到】
: If you are the student of the department head, it's a different story.
: This year HKUST recruited 3 ppl, one from U Mich., one Waterloo and Zhang Qian
: from MSRA.
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 64 yes, I dont think department chair matters that much, but a "niu" advisor inde
ed matters. Even if his advisor is not department chair, I guess he can still
get the position.
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: the department head is not enough...
: if you know how "Cow" is his advisor... (the last year's guy)
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b*****y
发帖数: 44 | 65 Now I realize you were talking about a different guy.
I was referring to the one from MSU, and I guess I was wrong as he may
join HKUST in 2003...
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: yes, I dont think department chair matters that much, but a "niu" advisor inde
: ed matters. Even if his advisor is not department chair, I guess he can still
: get the position.
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 66 Last year, a friend who is a faculty in a 100+ university told me that they hi
red two people from CMU. So it means that though the rank of school matters,
but many students from very good schools also went to some low-rank universiti
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 67 yes, the one whom I am talking about is from Stony Brook.
【在 b*****y 的大作中提到】
: Now I realize you were talking about a different guy.
: I was referring to the one from MSU, and I guess I was wrong as he may
: join HKUST in 2003...
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 68 well, I feel that guy's publication is pretty good. that's the key point, I be
lieve.
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: the department head is not enough...
: if you know how "Cow" is his advisor... (the last year's guy)
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m******y
发帖数: 25 | 69 What research directions are they in, if you happen to know?
【在 b*****y 的大作中提到】
: If you are the student of the department head, it's a different story.
: This year HKUST recruited 3 ppl, one from U Mich., one Waterloo and Zhang Qian
: from MSRA.
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 70 I heard that he got two offers - another is from Taxas dallas. He chose to go
to HK.
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: well, I feel that guy's publication is pretty good. that's the key point, I be
: lieve.
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 71 graphics, more specifically --> visualization,
【在 m******y 的大作中提到】
: What research directions are they in, if you happen to know?
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 72 if choosing one between a USA top 100(?) department (e.g. UTD) vs HK, I may ch
oose HK too.:)
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: I heard that he got two offers - another is from Taxas dallas. He chose to go
: to HK.
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m******y
发帖数: 25 | 73 Then how about US top 50 vs HK?:)
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: if choosing one between a USA top 100(?) department (e.g. UTD) vs HK, I may ch
: oose HK too.:)
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 74 I heard that you were in this situation.
Honestly, I may take the similar choice as you did. if I were you.:)
The US situation is not good,esp. funding situation.
DARPA almost closed its door for university research, and NSF
is cutting funding steadily. For new faculty member in US, CAREER
award is almost the only possible source. However, it is just
less than 300K.
btw, I knew you personally. Maybe in the future i will ask some questions to you. :)
【在 m******y 的大作中提到】
: Then how about US top 50 vs HK?:)
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w******s
发帖数: 60 | 75 Checking with the websites of HK univs, esp. on profiles of assist prof. after
2000, you will find that they hire PhDs from top 50 U.S. EECS programs. HKUST
has a higher threshold.
发信人: tes (286), 信区: CS
标 题: Re: 计算机的PhD找工作好难啊, 一年不如一年了！
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jul 22 20:43:50 2005), 转信
HK? i believe they want only mit,berkeley guys...
【在 t*s 的大作中提到】
: HK? i believe they want only mit,berkeley guys...
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 76 I would choose US top 50.
【在 m******y 的大作中提到】
: Then how about US top 50 vs HK?:)
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 77 Another possibility for a newly joined faculty is to get funding is to write p
roposals with big guys...
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: I heard that you were in this situation.
: Honestly, I may take the similar choice as you did. if I were you.:)
: The US situation is not good,esp. funding situation.
: DARPA almost closed its door for university research, and NSF
: is cutting funding steadily. For new faculty member in US, CAREER
: award is almost the only possible source. However, it is just
: less than 300K.
: btw, I knew you personally. Maybe in the future i will ask some questions to you. :)
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 78 sure, but do they really need you? another issue, the total available money for research is down, no matter you are good or not.
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: Another possibility for a newly joined faculty is to get funding is to write p
: roposals with big guys...
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 79 That's true. But some big guys who became famous when they were young may not
know technical stuff very well now. In this case, you can take the chance.:-
) Also, some big guys are very nice. If you asked them if they can write a p
roposal with you, some will agree. I knew about some of such cases. But it r
eally depends on luck.
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: sure, but do they really need you? another issue, the total available money for research is down, no matter you are good or not.
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w******s
发帖数: 60 | 80 HK univs are not very good at CS in general, but HKUST's CS is only slightly w
orse than Rutgers, Stony Brook... However, these US depts definitely have much
better reputations. I think this is the case even for top 60-70 programs in U
S, that is, almost all CS programs which are ranked by US NEWS. For example, I
would definitely choose Boston Univ. over HKUST. For non-ranked univs, it is
hard to tell. Depends on many factors la.
发信人: marksboy (Tony), 信区: CS
标 题: Re: 计算机的PhD找工作好难啊, 一年不如一年了！
发信
【在 m******y 的大作中提到】
: Then how about US top 50 vs HK?:)
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 81 ranking (even including HK universities) is not the whole story of the life.
location/weather, food, and ppmm(if you are still single) all should be considered together.
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: HK univs are not very good at CS in general, but HKUST's CS is only slightly w
: orse than Rutgers, Stony Brook... However, these US depts definitely have much
: better reputations. I think this is the case even for top 60-70 programs in U
: S, that is, almost all CS programs which are ranked by US NEWS. For example, I
: would definitely choose Boston Univ. over HKUST. For non-ranked univs, it is
: hard to tell. Depends on many factors la.
:
: 发信人: marksboy (Tony), 信区: CS
: 标 题: Re: 计算机的PhD找工作好难啊, 一年不如一年了！
: 发信
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 82 I think it sometimes depends on what kind of environment you like. For instan
ce, if you do not like USA, but you like HK and you want to take care of your
parents, then you may choose HK. If you do not want to leave USA or you have s
ome family constraint such that you cannot leave USA, you may choose USA shool
even whose rank is lower than 100. For people who choose between HK and USA,
I guess rank is not that important.
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: ranking (even including HK universities) is not the whole story of the life.
: location/weather, food, and ppmm(if you are still single) all should be considered together.
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w******s
发帖数: 60 | 83 You said it! The location/weather is the foremost factor I care about:)
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: ranking (even including HK universities) is not the whole story of the life.
: location/weather, food, and ppmm(if you are still single) all should be considered together.
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w******s
发帖数: 60 | 84 Though many guys (like me) here are not interested in HK univs, we are eager t
o know what kind of criteria HK people use to select fresh US PhDs. For US uni
vs, the school reputation, group reputation, boss reputation and personal reco
rd are important. To my impression, the personal publication record seems to b
e the least important one here. This is due to the fact that most univs hire y
ou just to attract funding and increase the school's visibility, i.e., NSF fun
ding and conference TPC me
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: I think it sometimes depends on what kind of environment you like. For instan
: ce, if you do not like USA, but you like HK and you want to take care of your
: parents, then you may choose HK. If you do not want to leave USA or you have s
: ome family constraint such that you cannot leave USA, you may choose USA shool
: even whose rank is lower than 100. For people who choose between HK and USA,
: I guess rank is not that important.
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x**l
发帖数: 9 | 85 有病么不是
phd读出来去社区大学教书
【在 d**d 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得PhD 总体上已经供大于求了
: 除了在一些新兴学科，教职会越来越难找
: 尤其是在萝卜坑基本已经填满的研究型大学里
: 现在从Research I大学里毕业的学生，去teaching colleges越来越多
: 等那些地方也趋于饱和，大家可能得往社区大学看了
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 86 no.. still the connection.
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: Though many guys (like me) here are not interested in HK univs, we are eager t
: o know what kind of criteria HK people use to select fresh US PhDs. For US uni
: vs, the school reputation, group reputation, boss reputation and personal reco
: rd are important. To my impression, the personal publication record seems to b
: e the least important one here. This is due to the fact that most univs hire y
: ou just to attract funding and increase the school's visibility, i.e., NSF fun
: ding and conference TPC me
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 87 no, I don't think so.. you know.. only the first author papers are important
3rd or 4th author of SIGGRAPH paper will not help too much
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: well, I feel that guy's publication is pretty good. that's the key point, I be
: lieve.
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 88 youa re right. his advisor is big guy in the field... if I have the same advisor,
I will never worry about the job :)
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: yes, I dont think department chair matters that much, but a "niu" advisor inde
: ed matters. Even if his advisor is not department chair, I guess he can still
: get the position.
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 89 Does he have any siggraph paper? maybe no.
do you think search committees are carefully counting how many first/second/third... etc? of course not. Why it need interviewing on-site?
They will talk with candidates personally and asked tough questions when they are doing presentations. After you have on-site interview, pub is not counted already.
During the screening for short-list, they may look at papers, but not strictly counting number or order of authorships. They are not simple.
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: no, I don't think so.. you know.. only the first author papers are important
: 3rd or 4th author of SIGGRAPH paper will not help too much
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 90 his advisor influence is in IEEE part, not ACM side. I think.hehe..
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: youa re right. his advisor is big guy in the field... if I have the same advisor,
: I will never worry about the job :)
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 91 btw, another example, our department this year, on-site interviewed ten candidates (all with superb pub records). I remember one guy presented his recent work on siggraph (but all are co-authors) as a major part. But it is fine, he still is evaluated very high in the final decision. That's why I said it is not that simple. All papers are helpful (because you are a student, not a boss).
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: Does he have any siggraph paper? maybe no.
: do you think search committees are carefully counting how many first/second/third... etc? of course not. Why it need interviewing on-site?
: They will talk with candidates personally and asked tough questions when they are doing presentations. After you have on-site interview, pub is not counted already.
: During the screening for short-list, they may look at papers, but not strictly counting number or order of authorships. They are not simple.
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 92 it is enough for visualization people... no ACM, no SIGGRAPH
his advisor only has one SIGGRAPH
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: his advisor influence is in IEEE part, not ACM side. I think.hehe..
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w******s
发帖数: 60 | 93 Yes. He is the founding editor-in-chief, very strong le.
发信人: loop (loop), 信区: CS
标 题: Re: 计算机的PhD找工作好难啊, 一年不如一年了！
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Jul 23 02:44:41 2005), 转信
it is enough for visualization people... no ACM, no SIGGRAPH
his advisor only has one SIGGRAPH
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: it is enough for visualization people... no ACM, no SIGGRAPH
: his advisor only has one SIGGRAPH
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 94 did he get the offer?
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: btw, another example, our department this year, on-site interviewed ten candidates (all with superb pub records). I remember one guy presented his recent work on siggraph (but all are co-authors) as a major part. But it is fine, he still is evaluated very high in the final decision. That's why I said it is not that simple. All papers are helpful (because you are a student, not a boss).
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 95 unfortunately, he is put on the second place. The first accept our department offer (reject Gatech offer), so, he was not offered, but he got offer from UCSD.
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: did he get the offer?
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 96 that guy from european? Postdoc in MIT?
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: unfortunately, he is put on the second place. The first accept our department offer (reject Gatech offer), so, he was not offered, but he got offer from UCSD.
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 97 you got it.
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: that guy from european? Postdoc in MIT?
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 98 he has his reputation already.. very good work in ETH
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: you got it.
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 99 how about the one got the offer
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: you got it.
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b*****y
发帖数: 44 | 100 Well, these are not secret.
U Mich in Real-time Embedded systems, Kang Shin's student, Stankovic's postdoc.
His area is new for HKUST CS.
U Waterloo in DB, his boss is VLDB or SIGMOD's chair? I guess he's the
replacement for Lu Hongjun.
Zhang Qian, well, combination of multimedia and wireless. Fairly senior already
We also recruited a VAP in the system architecture area, Ph.D from
Purdue and stayed in Intel for several years.
【在 m******y 的大作中提到】
: What research directions are they in, if you happen to know?
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 101 last year, our department offer Chinese girl from CMU with only 4 papers.... no one is strong
anoth one from Utah, went to iowa.. only one EGSR, one PG.....how could we say..
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: btw, another example, our department this year, on-site interviewed ten candidates (all with superb pub records). I remember one guy presented his recent work on siggraph (but all are co-authors) as a major part. But it is fine, he still is evaluated very high in the final decision. That's why I said it is not that simple. All papers are helpful (because you are a student, not a boss).
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 102 a girl from UW, I think you can guess her out easily now.
so, here is the major offers for top candidates in graphics.
the berkeley guy (take austin, turn down upenn),
the uw girl (take usc, turn down gatech)
the mit postdoc (ucsd)
the wiscosin guy (ta&m)
some other more....
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: how about the one got the offer
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 103 that's enough. :) don't always think about siggraph.
let we think about another way.
in graphics,
siggraph accepted 90 papers, and the top ten graphics conferences/symposium (including siggraph) totally accepted less than TOTAL 450 papers annually.
and look at other fields, for example, computer vision.
top (ICCV or EECV + CVPR) accepted more than 500 papers each year (about 100 oral totally), so their oral = siggraph papers.
and second tire vision conf (ICPR, ACCV, etc.) accpeted other more tha
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: last year, our department offer Chinese girl from CMU with only 4 papers.... no one is strong
: anoth one from Utah, went to iowa.. only one EGSR, one PG.....how could we say..
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 104 in my review, a PG and a EGSR may not be enough.... with out his Utah background
he will not get in.
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: that's enough. :) don't always think about siggraph.
: let we think about another way.
: in graphics,
: siggraph accepted 90 papers, and the top ten graphics conferences/symposium (including siggraph) totally accepted less than TOTAL 450 papers annually.
: and look at other fields, for example, computer vision.
: top (ICCV or EECV + CVPR) accepted more than 500 papers each year (about 100 oral totally), so their oral = siggraph papers.
: and second tire vision conf (ICPR, ACCV, etc.) accpeted other more tha
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 105 if you find many lucky examples, then it say something (not lucky factor).
why not check the purdue one? check the virginia ones?....many many...
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: in my review, a PG and a EGSR may not be enough.... with out his Utah background
: he will not get in.
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 106 Yes, in usa, connection and the fame of the advisor are so important. Publica
tion matters, but not that important as long as you are above the bottomline.
I dont know much about HK univ. but from what I heard from my friends, it seem
s publication is important. Connection and fame of the advisor would make the
background stronger. One of the most important factor is LUCK.
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: Yes. He is the founding editor-in-chief, very strong le.
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: 发信人: loop (loop), 信区: CS
: 标 题: Re: 计算机的PhD找工作好难啊, 一年不如一年了！
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Jul 23 02:44:41 2005), 转信
: it is enough for visualization people... no ACM, no SIGGRAPH
: his advisor only has one SIGGRAPH
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 107 Does he have siggraph paper? I dont think those papers are siggraph paper, ju
st some symposium. I do not know much about his field, but I heard that his a
dvisor ask everybody to put other people's name in their papers to increase th
e number of publication.
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: in my review, a PG and a EGSR may not be enough.... with out his Utah background
: he will not get in.
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 108 me too... Advisor is so important for finding a job....
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: in my review, a PG and a EGSR may not be enough.... with out his Utah background
: he will not get in.
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 109 people do. A friend told me that in his department, one candidant has many to
p conference papers but not first author of any of them - so they rejected her
.
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: if you find many lucky examples, then it say something (not lucky factor).
: why not check the purdue one? check the virginia ones?....many many...
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 110 I think at least you need have some good first author paper. Or other people will consider you do have original ideas.
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: people do. A friend told me that in his department, one candidant has many to
: p conference papers but not first author of any of them - so they rejected her
: .
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 111 no SIGGRAPH. and all are in IEEE.
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: Does he have siggraph paper? I dont think those papers are siggraph paper, ju
: st some symposium. I do not know much about his field, but I heard that his a
: dvisor ask everybody to put other people's name in their papers to increase th
: e number of publication.
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 112 If he knows the work very well, that's fine in many dept.. Though the number
of papers does important, many dept. also cares about the 1st author paper and
how many authors are in the papers. Someone who has many papers and with rea
sonable number of first author papers would have good chances.
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: if you find many lucky examples, then it say something (not lucky factor).
: why not check the purdue one? check the virginia ones?....many many...
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 113
~~~~~~~~~~~ that's the problem.
: .
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: people do. A friend told me that in his department, one candidant has many to
: p conference papers but not first author of any of them - so they rejected her
: .
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 114 check this guy in HKUST http://www.cs.ust.hk/~cktang/
I think his pub is awesome and should can find decent place in US. but as I know, he is from HK and maybe just want to go back home.
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: HK univs are not very good at CS in general, but HKUST's CS is only slightly w
: orse than Rutgers, Stony Brook... However, these US depts definitely have much
: better reputations. I think this is the case even for top 60-70 programs in U
: S, that is, almost all CS programs which are ranked by US NEWS. For example, I
: would definitely choose Boston Univ. over HKUST. For non-ranked univs, it is
: hard to tell. Depends on many factors la.
:
: 发信人: marksboy (Tony), 信区: CS
: 标 题: Re: 计算机的PhD找工作好难啊, 一年不如一年了！
: 发信
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 115 yes, IEEE visualization is one of the top conferences in the field.
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: no SIGGRAPH. and all are in IEEE.
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 116 I heard that every year, many papers from his advisor's students are accepted
by IEEE vis.
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: Yes. He is the founding editor-in-chief, very strong le.
:
: 发信人: loop (loop), 信区: CS
: 标 题: Re: 计算机的PhD找工作好难啊, 一年不如一年了！
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Jul 23 02:44:41 2005), 转信
: it is enough for visualization people... no ACM, no SIGGRAPH
: his advisor only has one SIGGRAPH
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 117 it is not the case for this year..
in fact, this year is very bad for whole US groups
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: I heard that every year, many papers from his advisor's students are accepted
: by IEEE vis.
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 118 but many stony brook ppl are working on vis projects. it should be one of the largest vis research groups in US. so, it should not a surprise.
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: I heard that every year, many papers from his advisor's students are accepted
: by IEEE vis.
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 119 but I feel their work is not very inspiring..
personally, I like the work from KwanLiu Ma
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: but many stony brook ppl are working on vis projects. it should be one of the largest vis research groups in US. so, it should not a surprise.
|
k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 120 She is the first author in some other conference papers, but not the top one c
onference.
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: but many stony brook ppl are working on vis projects. it should be one of the largest vis research groups in US. so, it should not a surprise.
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 121 Which she? :)
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: She is the first author in some other conference papers, but not the top one c
: onference.
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 122 Possible, I heard about it last year.:-)
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: Which she? :)
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 123 all previous years are good. he have around 50 Vis papers
his best student is Daniel Cohen-Or. 4 SIGGRAPH this year
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: Possible, I heard about it last year.:-)
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 124 davis guy? he got PECASE award, if my memory is correct.
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: but I feel their work is not very inspiring..
: personally, I like the work from KwanLiu Ma
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 125 Yes, the group is large. They claim that the group is top 5 in USA.
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: davis guy? he got PECASE award, if my memory is correct.
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 126 could be. many departments (esp. those top) in US even don't have vis research groups. 而且我觉得vis研究本质上就是交叉性的研究，not only inside CS side.
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: Yes, the group is large. They claim that the group is top 5 in USA.
|
l**p
发帖数: 474 | 127 yeah. You will remeber him if you saw him. long hair..
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: davis guy? he got PECASE award, if my memory is correct.
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 128 Not chinese.:-)
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: yeah. You will remeber him if you saw him. long hair..
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 129 vis people should cooperate with others...The way it works
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: could be. many departments (esp. those top) in US even don't have vis research groups. 而且我觉得vis研究本质上就是交叉性的研究，not only inside CS side.
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 130 ?? Who is Daniel Cohen-Or? Do we talk about the same person?:-)
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: vis people should cooperate with others...The way it works
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 131 I am confused too. I think his best student is the one in MERL.
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: ?? Who is Daniel Cohen-Or? Do we talk about the same person?:-)
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 132 visualize data -- so data is from other research field. :)
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: vis people should cooperate with others...The way it works
|
l**p
发帖数: 474 | 133 both Daniel and Hanspeter are his students
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: I am confused too. I think his best student is the one in MERL.
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 134 Oops, this topic is in top 10 now. |
k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 135 But I do not see that daniel's paper has his name. Daniel graduated long time
ago?
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: both Daniel and Hanspeter are his students
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 136 just found him and his recent pub is very impressive. hehe.
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: both Daniel and Hanspeter are his students
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 137 http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/~ley/db/indices/a-tree/c/Cohen=Or:Daniel.html
check thsi out
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: But I do not see that daniel's paper has his name. Daniel graduated long time
: ago?
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 138 btw, I think daniel is a perfect case to get tenure.
Because his pub during doctor student time is not impressive (e.g. no siggraph), but after he was assistant prof, his pub becomes very impressive.
then it will further demonstrate his leadership and independent research ability.:) the vice-versa case is bad for tenure fighting too.
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/~ley/db/indices/a-tree/c/Cohen=Or:Daniel.html
: check thsi out
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 139 yes, too good. Graduated in 1991.
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: btw, I think daniel is a perfect case to get tenure.
: Because his pub during doctor student time is not impressive (e.g. no siggraph), but after he was assistant prof, his pub becomes very impressive.
: then it will further demonstrate his leadership and independent research ability.:) the vice-versa case is bad for tenure fighting too.
|
l**p
发帖数: 474 | 140 very very impressive I would say
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: just found him and his recent pub is very impressive. hehe.
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 141 may be one day he can break Salesin's record :)
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: just found him and his recent pub is very impressive. hehe.
|
l**p
发帖数: 474 | 142 Yeah. He went to industrial for several years
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: btw, I think daniel is a perfect case to get tenure.
: Because his pub during doctor student time is not impressive (e.g. no siggraph), but after he was assistant prof, his pub becomes very impressive.
: then it will further demonstrate his leadership and independent research ability.:) the vice-versa case is bad for tenure fighting too.
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 143 salesin's work more focus on 2D stuff。 my personal view on these 2D stuff is always that it could not last long as 3D, although it may be fancy for a while.
I could be wrong.
btw, salesin has the highest number? how about harahan?
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: may be one day he can break Salesin's record :)
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 144 so many siggraph - can even get tenure at Stony Brook... As far as I know, on
ly one Prof. in Stony brook has more than 1 siggraph paper.
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: salesin's work more focus on 2D stuff。 my personal view on these 2D stuff is always that it could not last long as 3D, although it may be fancy for a while.
: I could be wrong.
: btw, salesin has the highest number? how about harahan?
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 145 at least two..
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: so many siggraph - can even get tenure at Stony Brook... As far as I know, on
: ly one Prof. in Stony brook has more than 1 siggraph paper.
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 146 I mean SIGGRAPH paper in same year.
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: salesin's work more focus on 2D stuff。 my personal view on these 2D stuff is always that it could not last long as 3D, although it may be fancy for a while.
: I could be wrong.
: btw, salesin has the highest number? how about harahan?
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 147 Who are the two?
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: I mean SIGGRAPH paper in same year.
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 148 the record is 6 (prof. Pat Hanrahan has 6 sig papers in 2001)
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: I mean SIGGRAPH paper in same year.
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 149 david. :)
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: Who are the two?
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 150 1997 7 papers
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: the record is 6 (prof. Pat Hanrahan has 6 sig papers in 2001)
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 151 and Michael Ashikhmin
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: david. :)
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 152 it is 8.hehe
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: 1997 7 papers
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 153 Oh, forgot this new faculty.:-)
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: it is 8.hehe
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 154 oh, any story?
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: Oh, forgot this new faculty.:-)
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 155 that's why many students can't get siggraph, because the resource is small, and also occupied by those massive-producing guys. hehe
that's also why graphics graduates with seem-weak pub can get faculty jobs. hehe.
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: it is 8.hehe
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 156 he is very smart
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: Oh, forgot this new faculty.:-)
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 157 in fact, all Salesin's work are good. But now there are alot of papers from MSRA. Shum may have more than 8 paper in one single year. (he got 9 in 2005)
but I would not count that ..
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: that's why many students can't get siggraph, because the resource is small, and also occupied by those massive-producing guys. hehe
: that's also why graphics graduates with seem-weak pub can get faculty jobs. hehe.
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 158 we three made this topic to "top 10" here. hehe.
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: he is very smart
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 159 we shoudl move our discussion to graphics club:)
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: we three made this topic to "top 10" here. hehe.
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 160 nod. can you?
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: we shoudl move our discussion to graphics club:)
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 161 we can forward soem post there
and start thread
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: nod. can you?
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 162 My memory is too old - I only counted everybody in Stony Brook before last fal
l...
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: nod. can you?
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 163 yes, I heard that he is smart.
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: we can forward soem post there
: and start thread
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 164 his advisor is Yau.
Big Cow . much bigger than the one in Stony Brook.
most Chinese know Yau
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: yes, I heard that he is smart.
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 165 but does it mean graphics ppl must buy Yau's face? maybe not. :(
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: his advisor is Yau.
: Big Cow . much bigger than the one in Stony Brook.
: most Chinese know Yau
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 166 no:). he didn't get good offer at the beginning
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: but does it mean graphics ppl must buy Yau's face? maybe not. :(
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x***n
发帖数: 464 | 167 但是我知道有人今年春季去了Arizona State University 的 CS 当教授，他是去年12月从
University of Missouri-Kansas City 毕业的，做网络安全的。毕业的时候Paper也不算
多吧。 |
N***N
发帖数: 698 | 168 UMKC毕业的去ASU做faculty? 是真的就太牛了.
但在asu cs的网页上找不到啊.
http://www.eas.asu.edu/cse/directory/index.php
【在 x***n 的大作中提到】
: 但是我知道有人今年春季去了Arizona State University 的 CS 当教授，他是去年12月从
: University of Missouri-Kansas City 毕业的，做网络安全的。毕业的时候Paper也不算
: 多吧。
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k***n
发帖数: 383 | 169 ARIZONA STATE UNIV现在疯狂招人.
但是招的人参差不齐.
有牛人,也有不行的.
【在 x***n 的大作中提到】
: 但是我知道有人今年春季去了Arizona State University 的 CS 当教授，他是去年12月从
: University of Missouri-Kansas City 毕业的，做网络安全的。毕业的时候Paper也不算
: 多吧。
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x***n
发帖数: 464 | 170 FT!
当然是真的啦。我都说了是网络方向的，又是中国教授，你通过research area 找找看。
【在 N***N 的大作中提到】
: UMKC毕业的去ASU做faculty? 是真的就太牛了.
: 但在asu cs的网页上找不到啊.
: http://www.eas.asu.edu/cse/directory/index.php
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N***N
发帖数: 698 | 171 sorry. 找到了.
http://dj.eas.asu.edu/dhuang/index.html
也是一个搞wireless sensor network. 谁说wireless不好找工作来着.
【在 x***n 的大作中提到】
: FT!
: 当然是真的啦。我都说了是网络方向的，又是中国教授，你通过research area 找找看。
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 172 Just one person does not say much. His working area is wireless and security.
Also his background is not strong at all comparing to many people I know - I
knew more than 10 people whose backgrounds are networking and the schools and
publication records are much much stronger than him did not get any faculty interview for the fall position. I believe he got the job not because of wireless, but security or sensored network. There must be something else besides his background.
【在 N***N 的大作中提到】
: sorry. 找到了.
: http://dj.eas.asu.edu/dhuang/index.html
: 也是一个搞wireless sensor network. 谁说wireless不好找工作来着.
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h****t
发帖数: 93 | 173 it may happen that some big guys with high reputation are not energic enough
to keep the momentum for doing research, and they may need some aid from
junior facutlies.
【在 r*****y 的大作中提到】
: sure, but do they really need you? another issue, the total available money for research is down, no matter you are good or not.
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 174 The second person's advisor is a big guy. He was ranked as top 1 student of h
is advisor since his advisor became a faculty. The first person also got many
interviews. Most of the interviews are in a small set of people's hand. This is
the problem of this year's job situation - many universities did not fill position
finally and many people with strong background did not get any faculty interview.
【在 N***N 的大作中提到】
: sorry. 找到了.
: http://dj.eas.asu.edu/dhuang/index.html
: 也是一个搞wireless sensor network. 谁说wireless不好找工作来着.
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N***N
发帖数: 698 | 175 Didn't you see the other one who got offer from UMN?
Most people doing sensor network research are not purely networking people. S
ince sensor network is so hot now, people in all other fields are trying to ju
mp in and trying to find something in sensor network related to their old fiel
ds. I think this year and even next year are still the golden age for sensor
network people. If your friends didn't get any interview, they might have aim
ed at too high goals.
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: The second person's advisor is a big guy. He was ranked as top 1 student of h
: is advisor since his advisor became a faculty. The first person also got many
: interviews. Most of the interviews are in a small set of people's hand. This is
: the problem of this year's job situation - many universities did not fill position
: finally and many people with strong background did not get any faculty interview.
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 176 I am saying the one who is going to go to UMN - his advisor is a big guy and h
e is ranked as top 1 student by his advisor.
【在 N***N 的大作中提到】
: Didn't you see the other one who got offer from UMN?
: Most people doing sensor network research are not purely networking people. S
: ince sensor network is so hot now, people in all other fields are trying to ju
: mp in and trying to find something in sensor network related to their old fiel
: ds. I think this year and even next year are still the golden age for sensor
: network people. If your friends didn't get any interview, they might have aim
: ed at too high goals.
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h****t
发帖数: 93 | 177 i heard about this guy. seems he's working with Steve Yau. I mean
they are writing proposal together. one background story is that
Dr. Yau has this ambition to build up a security center at ASU.
【在 N***N 的大作中提到】
: UMKC毕业的去ASU做faculty? 是真的就太牛了.
: 但在asu cs的网页上找不到啊.
: http://www.eas.asu.edu/cse/directory/index.php
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 178 I heard from some friend before that his advisor rank him as top 1 and his adv
isor is a big guy. He got several offers, but others expect UMN are below 80.
【在 N***N 的大作中提到】
: Didn't you see the other one who got offer from UMN?
: Most people doing sensor network research are not purely networking people. S
: ince sensor network is so hot now, people in all other fields are trying to ju
: mp in and trying to find something in sensor network related to their old fiel
: ds. I think this year and even next year are still the golden age for sensor
: network people. If your friends didn't get any interview, they might have aim
: ed at too high goals.
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 179 No, his advisor said he is # 1 in all his phd students.
【在 N***N 的大作中提到】
: Didn't you see the other one who got offer from UMN?
: Most people doing sensor network research are not purely networking people. S
: ince sensor network is so hot now, people in all other fields are trying to ju
: mp in and trying to find something in sensor network related to their old fiel
: ds. I think this year and even next year are still the golden age for sensor
: network people. If your friends didn't get any interview, they might have aim
: ed at too high goals.
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 180 Yes, this is exactly what I heard too. |
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 181 yes, research interest matters a lot.
【在 h****t 的大作中提到】
: i heard about this guy. seems he's working with Steve Yau. I mean
: they are writing proposal together. one background story is that
: Dr. Yau has this ambition to build up a security center at ASU.
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N***N
发帖数: 698 | 182 That is exactly what I think too. So I think the OP is very misleading since
he claimed Sensor network is hard to find job even in this year. For those pe
ople going to graduate in two years, sensor network is still a good research d
irection. Go on, guys. |
k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 183 sensored network is ok this year, not too bad, but for people whose fields are
within wireless + networking and do not relate to security/sensored network,
the situation is bad. Not sure if sensored network will still be hot in next
two years.
【在 N***N 的大作中提到】
: That is exactly what I think too. So I think the OP is very misleading since
: he claimed Sensor network is hard to find job even in this year. For those pe
: ople going to graduate in two years, sensor network is still a good research d
: irection. Go on, guys.
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 184 I agree with you. Security is quite hot this year though not as hot as last y
ear.
This year I feel SN and security are quite hot,
hehe, if you are doing sth like SN+security,
I'd like to say "congratulation, buddy..." |
k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 185 yes, the situation would be worse and worse. This year, there are more than 1
000 PhD students graduating and many postdocs are competing with fresh PhDs. T
here is a dramatic decreas in undergraduate enrollment and cut of fundings. I
n the next 2-3 years, the faculty job situation could be only tougher.
As I know, there's sudden inceasing in the number of students
who are going to graduate next year as SN guys...
and even more the year after ...
Using my dept as an example, this year we onl |
k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 186 Just read from the beginning. Industry job situation is quite good on network
ing and operating system this year.
wireless方向。一个lab的3个师兄，背景强得不得了，paper都是一大堆的。今年都毕业，
没一个找到工作的，有人连interview都没有。老板说，留下等明年吧？
可是明年还有2个师兄要毕业呢，这样年年积压下来不知道明年会不会更糟。
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: wireless方向。一个lab的3个师兄，背景强得不得了，paper都是一大堆的。今年都毕业，
: 没一个找到工作的，有人连interview都没有。老板说，留下等明年吧？
: 可是明年还有2个师兄要毕业呢，这样年年积压下来不知道明年会不会更糟。
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m******y
发帖数: 25 | 187 I heard near the end of last year they had 12 openings.
But they sent out their interview invitation very late;
at that time, my decision had almost been made so I
didn't go for their interview.
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: ARIZONA STATE UNIV现在疯狂招人.
: 但是招的人参差不齐.
: 有牛人,也有不行的.
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s****e
发帖数: 282 | 188 UCI only considers people from top 20 schools.
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: Just read from the beginning. Industry job situation is quite good on network
: ing and operating system this year.
:
: wireless方向。一个lab的3个师兄，背景强得不得了，paper都是一大堆的。今年都毕业，
: 没一个找到工作的，有人连interview都没有。老板说，留下等明年吧？
: 可是明年还有2个师兄要毕业呢，这样年年积压下来不知道明年会不会更糟。
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k*****e
发帖数: 152 | 189 You mean UIC? last year someone from Stony Brook got faculty position in UIC.
He gave very bad talks in many univ. before getting the UIC position. His b
ackground is not strong but has very good reco.s.
【在 s****e 的大作中提到】
: UCI only considers people from top 20 schools.
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s***w
发帖数: 521 | 190 Sorry, I got lost. Who is him?
I think Yau doesn't do any graphics and the people
you folks mentioned are graphics people.
thanks.
标 题: Re: 计算机的PhD找工作好难啊, 一年不如一年了！
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Jul 23 04:34:01 2005), 转信
his advisor is Yau.
Big Cow . much bigger than the one in Stony Brook.
most Chinese know Yau
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: no:). he didn't get good offer at the beginning
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s***w
发帖数: 521 | 191 is there any 8挂 about Yau's personality? thanks
标 题: Re: 计算机的PhD找工作好难啊, 一年不如一年了！
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Jul 23 04:34:01 2005), 转信
his advisor is Yau.
Big Cow . much bigger than the one in Stony Brook.
most Chinese know Yau
【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: no:). he didn't get good offer at the beginning
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s***w
发帖数: 521 | 192 any 8挂 about Yau's personality? thanks
标 题: Re: 计算机的PhD找工作好难啊, 一年不如一年了！
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Jul 23 14:02:31 2005), 转信
i heard about this guy. seems he's working with Steve Yau. I mean
they are writing proposal together. one background story is that
Dr. Yau has this ambition to build up a security center at ASU.
【在 h****t 的大作中提到】
: i heard about this guy. seems he's working with Steve Yau. I mean
: they are writing proposal together. one background story is that
: Dr. Yau has this ambition to build up a security center at ASU.
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 193 Yau is working on differential geometry.
【在 s***w 的大作中提到】
: Sorry, I got lost. Who is him?
: I think Yau doesn't do any graphics and the people
: you folks mentioned are graphics people.
: thanks.
:
: 标 题: Re: 计算机的PhD找工作好难啊, 一年不如一年了！
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Jul 23 04:34:01 2005), 转信
: his advisor is Yau.
: Big Cow . much bigger than the one in Stony Brook.
: most Chinese know Yau
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l**p
发帖数: 474 | 194 I won't tell you. haha
【在 s***w 的大作中提到】
: any 8挂 about Yau's personality? thanks
:
: 标 题: Re: 计算机的PhD找工作好难啊, 一年不如一年了！
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Jul 23 14:02:31 2005), 转信
: i heard about this guy. seems he's working with Steve Yau. I mean
: they are writing proposal together. one background story is that
: Dr. Yau has this ambition to build up a security center at ASU.
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Q*******e
发帖数: 939 | 195 关键是要实践和理论相接合吧
光发表paper也不能说明什么吧
【在 w***f 的大作中提到】
: 这是个贴主从 Joke 版转来的挖坑贴， 建议 ban ppmmm
: 一个星期， 太无聊了。
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