ET
发帖数: 10701 | 1 a guy commented the hinge like this:
you definetly have a players swing. but having a pro in my family has taught
me to pick out the slightest falws in a swing. to me, it looks as you begin
the swing with a quick hinge of your wrists. I would suggest not setting
them as soon, but you have a teacher, and you need to focus on his teachings
not what i say |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 2 这首先是个系统，比如最初这个swing video里的swing plane， 无论backswing and
downswing; 用ben hogan的动作，我觉得我说的trick一点不起作用；
第2是球杆如何离开球做back swing 的,我希望球杆就这样回到球的位置，一点没
forarm/wrist的rotation， 这个可能也是against the instinct.
接下来才是trick， 比如说pull这个动作，和sweep球underneath （从球下扫过球，就
如扫地般）一个意思（对我）， 而不是hit the ball or strike the ball, 还有就是
注意力要在前手臂上，因为那是唯一一个你能控制球杆面去square的club face的地方。
所以，如果只说这2个tricks, 可能一点帮助也没有，而且我教练教的，更有些old
school的概念， 但我认为是consistent击球的精华。
我对那些老将，比如rocco meidate, 上周的冠军perry什么的动作欣赏更多，我最希望
我的动作就是看起来象个老头的动作(就节奏和完成动作而 |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 3 the reason I like this video is...
I talked many times in the past that I don't like my takeaway part. My
takeaway lets the club head go too side of my hands which lead a way flat
swing plane (well, for me. ). then I change my swing plane at the top of my
backswing to have the right downswing plane (still, for me. ). I don't like
the swing plane transition at the top , not only it doesn't look good, but
also I guess I have to rely on the adjustment a lot. on the other hand, for
my driver, even I |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 4 http://www.golf.com/golf/gallery/article/0,28242,1834827,00.html
a look at how to swing easy and still get hard hit...
"Ernie cups his left wrist at the top and releases the club very late"
take away --- quickly the shaft becomes parallel to the ground. The old
adage "take it back low and slow" makes your swing stiff and keeps you from
correctly hinging your wrists.
down swing -- His first move is to drop his right elbow straight down using
his right back muscles. This is the easy way to stop an |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 5 sometimes, i don't think it's fair to compare players by just looking at one
-swing-video. Especially, you don't know how they hit it.
Definitely it's a good way to learn golf by analyzing your own swing and
other pros. I do it quite often as well. I used to do a lot analysis frame
by frame. Now I am more focusing on the fundamental things, like stance,
grip, shoulder/knee position, and head position.
as far as the swing dynamic is concerned, it's not easy to copy pros since
there is a lot of th |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 6 pro swing analysis for reference
AK swing with front view
KJ
TW --- this video also explain tiger's swing change and the head movement
shape
tiger' |
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t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 7 Well, I'll give my two cents on your swing. JMOP
You have very good set-up at address and impact position.
But, I would recommend you to video tape a real swing (with ball) instead of
practice swing (without ball). They may look quite different from my
experience.
working on your backswing. It seems that you have a reverse pivot. You seems
lost your spine angle in the 2nd pic, left shoulder too high (without DTL
view, it's hard to tell though).
Imagine your shoulder line and spine form a "T" sha |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 8 yes. i tried to correct by consciously maintain head position. i tried to
shift weight on right foot during back swing. i guess i wanted to coil my
upper body too much while my upper body flexibility is not there. so
i am trying shorter/slower back swing and avoid straining myself during back
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 9 i know many of you have been reading it , Ben Hogan's 5 fundamental of moder
golf swing.
Peronally, I like this book's discussion regarding posture, grib, arm
position, leg, ball position for different golf club, etc, those setup
things.
However, I truly believe his swing analysis is misleading, especially, if
you try to emulate the several pictures in his book, or his videos.
No one has been proved to be successful after using his swing theory. This
is first point i want to address. Secondly, I |
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p******g
发帖数: 321 | 10 Did you watch the The Coleman Video of Ben Hogan? The one Ben Hogan at age
of
65, striking balls into the ocean. I believe I post it here before...
I would rather try to learn from someone's swing which enables him to strike
balls so purely at age of 65 and works even after a near-fatal car accident,
than someone who hurts himself with his swing.
Tiger will be the greatest golfer of all time and there are a lot to learn
from
him but I would never learn swing from him because:
1) I will never be |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 11 pros normally have a lot smooth and stable swing..
me? I change everyday. my best rounds happened when I have smooth swing.
I wish I could swing as slow as seniors.
i remembered when I hit those drivers, I tried to kill them since I was
playing into the wind.
as far as my balance is concerned, it's not a big deal. everyone could find
his comfort zone.
tend to |
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F*****y
发帖数: 100 | 13 我也曾经尝试1-PLANE,但后来放弃了.因为第一,有很多很好的PLAYER都是2-PLANE,一样
打的好.第二,我的教练曾经花很多时间指正我的SWING PLANE问题, 比如说 TOO
UPRIGHT, COMING DOWN UNDER THE PLANE,但对我帮助都不大.后来自己发现有很多重
要的FUNDAMENTAL的东西做的不对,SWING PLANE再PERFECT也没用.
plane.
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F*****y
发帖数: 100 | 14 great looking swing! Your swing is very compact and smooth. Your shaft is
not even horizontal at the top of backswing. Really can't get much out of
the normal speed video. It would be great if you can post some slomo so that
we can all learn more from your swing. Thanks for sharing.
strong though. |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 15 still a number of problems, post here so that problems and their cause to be found and dealt with
4i dtl 200yards low trajectory shot
x---back swing still no so good at top, right shoulder low,spine angle lose a bit during back swing.
x---backswing-downswing transition 有一点生硬.
v---but i've got the lag close to pro, right forearm aligned with club shaft when right elbow close to right hip bone during downswing.
v--i am close to one-plane swing, hands return to the spot where hands address ball.
4i |
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i****e
发帖数: 913 | 16 The most important mistake you made is: you lost your spine angle.
You also overturned your hip but that's minor issue, cause you do seem to
have excellent flexibility.
I don't suggest you go for lags like pro before fixing these 2 things.
That being said I think you are still classic 2 planer, here is why
http://www.mountainweb.com/oneplanegolfswing/p3_one_plane_vs_two_plane.html
The key difference between the two swings is: In a two plane swing, the arms
and shoulders swing on two different pl |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 17 thank you ixcafe. my current swing is so complex, no wonder no good
consistency. have to restore spine angle during downswing, i have to
transition to downswing from awkward backswing form. no wonder i need
relative long preshot routine at present.
i am glad i took swing video. otherwise, i would feel much better about my
swing. will try to fix the shoulder and spine angle problem next time.
arms |
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m****n
发帖数: 815 | 18 Alright, thanks guys. I guess I'll start with IXCAFE's drill and correct "
swing with arms" and "chicken wing finish" problems. The thing I learned
about golf swing or rather correct golf swing is no matter how poor it is in
the current form, I have to take it slow. 1 or 2 things at a time. Once
again, I appreciate all the helps.
I will try to shoot another video in a month. |
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b*******e
发帖数: 724 | 19 Thanks everyone for your comments. ET is right that practice swing and real
swing are different, but I can't hit a ball at home. I don't have any slowmo
of me hitting the ball because the recording requires some assistance from
another person and I can only do it from home. But the swings are close
enough for me to find the problems. Right now, my main problem is still
coming over the top, which causes pull to the left with my irons and slice
with long clubs. The problem is more severe when my t |
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b*******e
发帖数: 724 | 20 确实是只要打的好就是硬道理,但是当你打的又直又长的时候,通常你的SWING就更接近
PRO了.我个人偏爱HOGAN的SWING,但老候的SWING实在太难学了.只能欣赏欣赏而已,要真
模仿恐怕就的到处找球了.
at
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v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 21 very good. a couple things:
1. lateral movement of hips a little too much at the beginning of down swing
. this could cause miss hits because basically it shifts your spine base a l
ittle bit.
2. looks like your COG moves toward target during your back swing and goes b
ack to the right foot during down swing. this may cause you to lose some dis
tance.
I have the same issues and am still working on them. |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 22 cultive "自己对golf swing的感觉 - 这种感觉本来是从练习中自我体会出来的" ---
这种感觉越细记得越清楚, plus some survival swing thoughts and good routine,
should be able to get back to right track very quickly. or at least
returning to the level "hitting solid" ....
next time, hitting good shots, i will take a longer moment to remember, and
repeat serveral with similar feeling at practice.
saw pro play a bad shot, they often stay there do one more swing without
ball... guess they are trying to recall soemthing or emphasze soemthin |
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发帖数: 10701 | 23 因为他的woods swing比他的driver swing正常合理多了。
没有明显的lateral movement。
说实话，他的driver distance，就是纯粹的driver，很多人都超过他了，为啥呢？ 不
能说tiger的swing speed什么下降了吧。
还是他的shot多都是cut shot,这样产生的球没什么距离优势。
为啥cut shot多？ 因为不release。
按照pro Randy的说法，如果release，能增加近20多码，至少。
比如我前端时间的driving distance也是越来越短，短与randy, mike，甚至Larry这些
60来岁的老头们。而曾经我都是超过他们20来码的。
只有上周的skins game里jimmy clay #8, 近480码的par 4, 我用的driver + 9 iron，
即使风是从后/左吹来的。dog leg left, 这个hole基本上是最难的球洞之一了。
算出来我开球的距离也是330码了（所有距离），完全就是个full-release的draw, 来对
抗自左向右的风，和右边低的slope。
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 24 i am always amazed by others can point out those crucial swing flaws by
looking at swing video.
but to me, i can only say, en, yeah, good swing, almost to everyone posted
here
外行看热闹，内行看门道 //kaka |
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d******s
发帖数: 674 | 25 今天下班去了driving range
根据各位大大的建议狠练挥杆，没拿driver，要不就得累翻了。
用7iron
重点注意俩问题
swing plane： video里面的在backswing top的时候太过，而且左臂太steep；屁股跟
腰扭的太多。。。。。汗
contact： 着重注意impact时候手相对于球的位置。
在特别注意的情况下，7iron carry 平均加了5码左右（纯粹目测）。trajectory 明显
比old swing要低，实践证明contact的好坏确实对distance有明显的影响。 换上非
range ball，上driver，差别就更大了。
恩，低头苦练去了，过个把月再上改正后的swing来 |
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b*******e
发帖数: 724 | 26 改SWING的时候确实很难,我不知道已经经理过多少次整容手术了,每次有MAJOR CHANGE
的时候都是打不到球,但只要坚持正确的动作,你的大脑很快就会FIGURE OUT怎么能打到
球. 改SWING是提高击球质量的根本.我通过调整SWING, GAIN了两个CLUB的距离,
CONSISTENCY也好了很多. |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 27 你的自发总结挺接近学术研究结果的
脑子里还是在想目标的 =~ focus on external target/cue
positive thinking ~= readying
image ~= mental imagery
it's a learning process, 初学者脑子里想 technical details 多一些
高球高手挥竿脑子就不想什么 swing mechanics 了, 可能只想course, course strategy, 和相应的 shot target and trajectory ....
我觉得你那机器有个稳定底座的提法很好, a very good golf swing image, 自学或自己调整有时 must have a sound swing model and understanding....
你可以从每个shot的结果迅速得到feedback,
但是得到导致bad shot的动作上的feedback就难很多了, coach or camera may helps in that case... |
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n*****0
发帖数: 185 | 28 最近家里忙，没什么时间打球。但是iron 9-4 /5 wood/3 wood 比以前打的好很多很多，基本感觉到很好的contact.以前练球姿势不对，手都磨得起老茧，很痛。很神的是现在这些问题全没有了。还有一个感觉就是真的用上了力气，打完一篓球出一身大汗，以前只会太阳晒得出汗。
driver 还是没有找到用力的感觉，估计还要交点学费。
what did your teach say about this?
- cook your wrist;
- naturally un-cook during down swing and drop the club;
- down swing一定要重心forward to left foot.
花些钱还是蛮值的，一眼就能看出你的问题，而且也不会把swing 搞的那么深奥。
如果你要教练信息，pm 我。
hole
weight |
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发帖数: 10701 | 29 这可能就是golf swing比较关键的事。
就如大家都说的，pratice swing 都没问题，natural, smooth, 但站在球前就完蛋了。
所以我一直建议调整自己的心态，认识这个swing 动作是学习这项运动的关键东西。
那个真是要自己体会，自己让自己去postive thinking, 还要play it seriously, but
don't think it heavely. |
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b********5
发帖数: 253 | 30 我的感觉是WOOD的SWING和IRON的应该一样。。。或者说SWING都一样，要不然多种
SWING很难记,很难重复。 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 31 i am talking about swing tempo (the total duration to complete a swing from
takeaway to impact, for instance, say 1.2 seconds
relative faster tempo can helps with more coil and big shoulder turn in back
swing (under control), just notice that a lot of small guys employ faster
tempo, such AK, Fowler, hogan. while big guys like ELS has a relative slow
tempo... ELS is long hitter, but not at top tier as JB holmes, bubba
watson, PHIL (09 - present)...
that spansh long hitter quiros or something, ha |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 32 golf.com reported that he is analyzing his swing using video... and tiger
praised about techology...
at this point, tiger woods himself is the greatest swing instructor...
if tiger indeed needs a swing coach, he should hire a good looking lady
instructor... or a LPGA player ____ fill in a name here... |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 33 use mirror or video helps a little.
does your head move too much during swing? spine angle changes too much
during swing?
do this kind of your QA with yourself.
不过， THE BEST YOU CAN WITH AWAREness IS 时间。。。
慢满来。。。 想明年这个时候你还是经常光顾 RANGE。。。
打一颗球停一下， 看看旁边有没有MM 也在SWING 和扭曲身体， 或抽跟烟， 再回头想
一下打一下， 看一下BALL FLIGHT ， 有没有那种球加速给你返回反作用力的那种
SOLID 的感觉 |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 35 我就不敢妄称老大了。
在经历这么个年头过来，我不断的有感悟，也不断的推翻我的感悟。直到我现在不怎么
感悟了，我觉
得我也许悟出点啥了。
对于你的提问，我目前的感悟是：
1）one swing for all clubs
2) 就比如说你觉得你7号打得还行，那是不是总是还行呢？比如10之8/9， 在风，lie
等不适合的
情况下呢？
3）第三，swing是个全身协调的过程，在backswing无论你转了你身体的那部分，在
downswing
的时候你要以相反的顺序转回去，转的顺序一定是相反的，而且时间不能差了。当然，
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D***m
发帖数: 129 | 36 Thanks a lot. By the way, I had the same problem of rising up when I
stretched to make a big back swing. A shorter back swing eliminates the
problem and also gives me better control. |
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t***w
发帖数: 165 | 37 Use a friend's old iron set a few months ago. It has a very soft graphite
shaft of the F wedge. I kept hitting the F wedge about 100 yards, when I
usually hit my 60 deg wedge 85 yards.
As I try to swing easier it actually went further costing me several very
upseting strokes, reason is as I swing easier the direction became dead
accurate but air-mail the green a couple of times.
It got me thinking why don't I change the entire set to soft graphite shafts
and swing easy so I get the combination... 阅读全帖 |
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b*******2
发帖数: 412 | 38 You had a good swing!
Can you give us more information about your normal divot? Plus your ball
position at your stance? (The club position is blocked by the table...)
Your grip looks like a little bit strong, how about try a more neutral or
weak grip to see whether that helps cure the hook or not. Oh, one more thing
, if you can post a side view of your swing, it will help a lot to see the
swing plane, which might contributes to the hook.
Over 90% golfers have slice headaches, you are in the adv... 阅读全帖 |
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w******8
发帖数: 977 | 39 我的swing在bottom太平了，driver还不错，因为tee up,但铁杆不稳定，会打厚或薄，
不知怎样才能make approach angle more steep.
我的grip是一点点变strong的，好像只有这样才舒服，要是weak一点，back swing 到
最上面就觉得左手大拇指没有正好托住shaft,感觉不稳。
说到over swing,我也感觉有点，尤其是driver,但不overswing就感觉使不上力气。我
注意到pro的shoulder turn大大超过90度，shaft还常常没到水平（Garcia)。我的
shoulder turn勉强到90度，shaft则通常会cross the line, 是不是应该减少wrist
cock呢？
还有虽然很多教练都说backswing时头可以小幅移动，但我看了很多pro的视频，所有的
pro头都是绝对不动的.这点我怎么也做不到。
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v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 40 Forget about the swing videos. Just follow the swing basics and play. Don't
think much about how poor our swings are. Go with our feelings in the game. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 41 yes.
Fred Couples and Ernie Els probably have the swing every tour player wants.
Tiger's ball flight might be the best when I watched in person.
but given Tiger is constitently changing his swing, i feel that he never
feel comfortable with his swing, Tiger1.0, Tiger2.0, Tiger3.0 are all good,
but not as relax as Fred and Ernie. |
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a***x
发帖数: 398 | 42 Bubba is gifted. He violated almost all the golf swing rules regular teacher
will teach you, lift leading foot, over swing,lost balance at finish,etc.
But what we can say, it works very good for him. This month's golf digest
has a article from John daly and Bubba himself talking about bubba's swing.
you can take a look. |
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x****5
发帖数: 1564 | 43 1. back should be straight, like scan said;
2. don't "sit back", knees should bent less for the club you are using;
3. stand closer to ball;
4. arms hang down straight from shoulders;
5. for down swing, don't lift up or stand up too soon, try to hit through
and keep your head the same level longer;
6, for upswing, point your club handle to your ball, and slower;
7. keep your neck straight in line with your back.
swing in front of a mirror and compare your stand and swing to the
professionals.
i... 阅读全帖 |
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w******8
发帖数: 977 | 44 Facing a 155 yd par 3, 7 iron in hands, my swing thoughts:
1.Body parts parallel to target line
2.Back straight
3.low, smooth take away
4.left arm straight, right elbow close to body
5.head steady
6.full shoulder turn,restricted hip turn
7.flat left wrist
8.weight shift to left foot
9.hands drop, right elbow tuck in
10.turn around left shoulder, no drag
11.turn hip aggressively through impact zone
12.wrists relax, natural release
13.swing in-side-out, high finish
Result: shank 50 yards right int... 阅读全帖 |
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w******8
发帖数: 977 | 45 我back swing到顶时头被迫右转，只有左眼能看到球，右眼被鼻子挡住了，从两眼都能
看到球变成只有左眼能看到这种变化让我很难受，导致我要么back swing不够充分，要
么打不准。我觉得这是为什么我无球swing的时候觉得很流畅，但有球时就经常很别扭
的原因。我想知道大家有没有这种烦恼，到底要怎么解决这个问题。始终保持两眼都能
看到球当然最好，但是我做不到这点，我的猜想是只能通过练习来习惯这种变化，不知
大家怎么看。 |
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t***u
发帖数: 2057 | 46 我发现自己眼中无球时打得比较好。其实准确讲是心中无球，这时眼中是否有球根本没
有关注。有时挥杆前信心不足或压力过大，死盯了球看，结果常常是节奏加快用手打球
，打厚居多。
昨天看到一文章讲Over Swing的问题，和楼主的话题相关，可是找不到了。感觉宁可
Back Swing不充分也不要Over Swing。我们柔韧性不够，容易为了转体充分而转大了。
假如只有左眼能看到球，是否已经转大了？仅供参考。 |
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b********l
发帖数: 84 | 47 BACK SWING 到头大幅度动 是过了。那就减小你的BACK SWING 的幅度，TOP OF BACK
SWING， 舒服最重要。你可以提高你肩膀的柔软性和力量来提高距离。
还是根据自己的特点找到一个简单的方法， 容易保持, 越简单越方便保持。眼睛看着
球， 可以利用 手眼协调。也容易帮助保持 POSTURE.
职业球员厉害的一个根本原因是他们的协调性， 看 RORY和TIGER玩TRICK SHOT就知道
差距了。还有估计学的早，运动神经系统比较接纳挥竿动作. |
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b*********f
发帖数: 65 | 48 谢谢，我刚才又挥了两杆体会了一下，half swing还是做短距离Pitch最好使，想有距
离当然还是全挥。但是在练习半挥的时候我发现自己的手腕居然翻转的很流畅也算到位
，球会出去的很高很直，在刚开始的时候这都是不敢想的，我想还是全挥杆打下的基础
。现在慢慢体会铁杆是基础，一开始特别着急上driver，觉得这才是最开始该学的东西
，但根本就学不会，别人怎么说我都体会不了，练习一段时间铁杆以后，DRIVER突然就
开窍了，基本是上来就有点感觉了。 |
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m****8
发帖数: 327 | 49 这个lag是个业务爱好者的重大课题。
我问了个clinic的教练，她说我的lag比大部分人都好，后来弄了两个drill，貌似有效
果。一个是右手握左手上，不碰杆，打出的球非常实在，舒服。另一个是把full swing
分成两半，top to half + half swing。
我最近发现，第一步下杆动作直接往地上拉杆效果很好，不要想着circular swing，这
样打出很多好球，但是还需要巩固。 |
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w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 50 swing volley基本是锦上添花的东西，high volley就是milk and butter.尤其是双打
，swing volley的效果不好，因为过网高度太高了，很容易被网前截到。单打倒是有可
能会有后场swing volley的机会 |
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