l**n
发帖数: 2405 | 1 I had only one 20-mile long so far at 10:00 pace.
Really want to have another 20-mile long run with
better pace (target 8:40), however given the fact
that CIM is only 2.5 weeks away and I have sour knees
and sour low-calves, I decided to give up the 2nd
20-mile long run today, hoping knees and calves
recover so that I can enter CIM in good shape.
I am very afraid that my knees won't have time to recover
if I do a 20-mile run this weekend.
After 10/3 San Jose RnR HM, my knees took 2-week to recover.
Since I don't have long training base, I have already tasted
knee pains every day as the result of sudden mileage increase
for newbies (from 0MPW to 40-50MPW in just 3 months).
07/2010 23,
08/2010 27, 10, 24, 51,
09/2010 16, 22, 43, 29,
10/2010 28, 37, 54, 49, 46,
11/2010 34, 34, 18(current week)
I have been warned many times on this board of not increasing
the mileage too soon. I am tasting the Ku Guo, but what the
hack, no pain no gain anyway. Let me just finish up CIM before
I care about my knees.
For example, every night, I cannot
stretch my legs freely otherwise triggers knee pains. I cannot
twist legs ANYTIME, otherwise, triggers knee pains as well.
These two weeks, my typical running pattern is Yi Que Yi Guai
for a whole mile or two before my knee pain is suppressed or
warmed up and dispersed before I can actually sped up to target
8:40 pace.
So at the end, do you experienced runners still suggest me
to run a 20-mile this weekend? I need advice here. Thanks. |
D*****t
发帖数: 558 | 2 爽啊. 我的305的记录上,连瞬间的6字头pace都没见过.
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】
: I had only one 20-mile long so far at 10:00 pace.
: Really want to have another 20-mile long run with
: better pace (target 8:40), however given the fact
: that CIM is only 2.5 weeks away and I have sour knees
: and sour low-calves, I decided to give up the 2nd
: 20-mile long run today, hoping knees and calves
: recover so that I can enter CIM in good shape.
: I am very afraid that my knees won't have time to recover
: if I do a 20-mile run this weekend.
: After 10/3 San Jose RnR HM, my knees took 2-week to recover.
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 3 nice! i haven't run that fast for a long time...
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】
: I had only one 20-mile long so far at 10:00 pace.
: Really want to have another 20-mile long run with
: better pace (target 8:40), however given the fact
: that CIM is only 2.5 weeks away and I have sour knees
: and sour low-calves, I decided to give up the 2nd
: 20-mile long run today, hoping knees and calves
: recover so that I can enter CIM in good shape.
: I am very afraid that my knees won't have time to recover
: if I do a 20-mile run this weekend.
: After 10/3 San Jose RnR HM, my knees took 2-week to recover.
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 4 厉害！读成了chased a slow biker and RAN OVER him。
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】
: I had only one 20-mile long so far at 10:00 pace.
: Really want to have another 20-mile long run with
: better pace (target 8:40), however given the fact
: that CIM is only 2.5 weeks away and I have sour knees
: and sour low-calves, I decided to give up the 2nd
: 20-mile long run today, hoping knees and calves
: recover so that I can enter CIM in good shape.
: I am very afraid that my knees won't have time to recover
: if I do a 20-mile run this weekend.
: After 10/3 San Jose RnR HM, my knees took 2-week to recover.
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w*******e
发帖数: 2651 | 5 Make sure you eat a turkey drumstick for Thanksgiving dinner.
Your calf will be ready for CIM!
Happy tapering!
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】
: I had only one 20-mile long so far at 10:00 pace.
: Really want to have another 20-mile long run with
: better pace (target 8:40), however given the fact
: that CIM is only 2.5 weeks away and I have sour knees
: and sour low-calves, I decided to give up the 2nd
: 20-mile long run today, hoping knees and calves
: recover so that I can enter CIM in good shape.
: I am very afraid that my knees won't have time to recover
: if I do a 20-mile run this weekend.
: After 10/3 San Jose RnR HM, my knees took 2-week to recover.
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d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 6 Good call on skipping the 20 miler! Your 6 mile run is like a mile race
with a long warm up, hehe
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】
: I had only one 20-mile long so far at 10:00 pace.
: Really want to have another 20-mile long run with
: better pace (target 8:40), however given the fact
: that CIM is only 2.5 weeks away and I have sour knees
: and sour low-calves, I decided to give up the 2nd
: 20-mile long run today, hoping knees and calves
: recover so that I can enter CIM in good shape.
: I am very afraid that my knees won't have time to recover
: if I do a 20-mile run this weekend.
: After 10/3 San Jose RnR HM, my knees took 2-week to recover.
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b*******e
发帖数: 1150 | 7 I would say right now long run is more important for you than speed. If I
were you, I will take it easy during weekdays, and have another 20 miler
during this weekend.
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】
: I had only one 20-mile long so far at 10:00 pace.
: Really want to have another 20-mile long run with
: better pace (target 8:40), however given the fact
: that CIM is only 2.5 weeks away and I have sour knees
: and sour low-calves, I decided to give up the 2nd
: 20-mile long run today, hoping knees and calves
: recover so that I can enter CIM in good shape.
: I am very afraid that my knees won't have time to recover
: if I do a 20-mile run this weekend.
: After 10/3 San Jose RnR HM, my knees took 2-week to recover.
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m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 8 if u are injured. then skip long is safer.
【在 b*******e 的大作中提到】
: I would say right now long run is more important for you than speed. If I
: were you, I will take it easy during weekdays, and have another 20 miler
: during this weekend.
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c*********n
发帖数: 2120 | 9 I guess it depends on the person. In AM plans, the last 20 mile is 3 weeks
before the race. But I think I saw both tuoniao and pen had their 20 miles
two weeks before the race-:)
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】
: I had only one 20-mile long so far at 10:00 pace.
: Really want to have another 20-mile long run with
: better pace (target 8:40), however given the fact
: that CIM is only 2.5 weeks away and I have sour knees
: and sour low-calves, I decided to give up the 2nd
: 20-mile long run today, hoping knees and calves
: recover so that I can enter CIM in good shape.
: I am very afraid that my knees won't have time to recover
: if I do a 20-mile run this weekend.
: After 10/3 San Jose RnR HM, my knees took 2-week to recover.
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e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 10 In my original plan, the only 20 miler was 2 week before the race.
I think that should be fine.
But lken shouldn't run the 20 miler with 8:40 targeted pace, even without
considering all the pains/injuries he is having.
plus, if lken decides to go for a 20 miler, he should slow down during
weekdays runs.
my 2 cents.
【在 c*********n 的大作中提到】
: I guess it depends on the person. In AM plans, the last 20 mile is 3 weeks
: before the race. But I think I saw both tuoniao and pen had their 20 miles
: two weeks before the race-:)
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 11 No, you shouldn't run any more 20 milers. 17 will be enough. I'm going to do
a short time trial on saturday
followed by 17-18 miles on sunday this coming weekend.
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】
: I had only one 20-mile long so far at 10:00 pace.
: Really want to have another 20-mile long run with
: better pace (target 8:40), however given the fact
: that CIM is only 2.5 weeks away and I have sour knees
: and sour low-calves, I decided to give up the 2nd
: 20-mile long run today, hoping knees and calves
: recover so that I can enter CIM in good shape.
: I am very afraid that my knees won't have time to recover
: if I do a 20-mile run this weekend.
: After 10/3 San Jose RnR HM, my knees took 2-week to recover.
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 12 Tuoniao was running very high mileage (80+ mpw). Pen, well, pen is pen.:)
【在 c*********n 的大作中提到】
: I guess it depends on the person. In AM plans, the last 20 mile is 3 weeks
: before the race. But I think I saw both tuoniao and pen had their 20 miles
: two weeks before the race-:)
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r********r
发帖数: 2912 | 13 赛前一次20mi都没跑过的人飘过....
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】
: I had only one 20-mile long so far at 10:00 pace.
: Really want to have another 20-mile long run with
: better pace (target 8:40), however given the fact
: that CIM is only 2.5 weeks away and I have sour knees
: and sour low-calves, I decided to give up the 2nd
: 20-mile long run today, hoping knees and calves
: recover so that I can enter CIM in good shape.
: I am very afraid that my knees won't have time to recover
: if I do a 20-mile run this weekend.
: After 10/3 San Jose RnR HM, my knees took 2-week to recover.
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c*********n
发帖数: 2120 | 14 I never run my targeted pace for the long runs, so I did not think he might
plan for it-:)
【在 e*e 的大作中提到】
: In my original plan, the only 20 miler was 2 week before the race.
: I think that should be fine.
: But lken shouldn't run the 20 miler with 8:40 targeted pace, even without
: considering all the pains/injuries he is having.
: plus, if lken decides to go for a 20 miler, he should slow down during
: weekdays runs.
: my 2 cents.
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f*******d
发帖数: 12693 | 15 I ran my last 20 miler at 8:15 the week before fresno, haha.
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Tuoniao was running very high mileage (80+ mpw). Pen, well, pen is pen.:)
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 16 come on, you are just naturally fast. if you did run some 20 milers you'd do
better in the marathon..
【在 r********r 的大作中提到】
: 赛前一次20mi都没跑过的人飘过....
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 17 it shows that you had a hell of a performance at fresno.:)
【在 f*******d 的大作中提到】
: I ran my last 20 miler at 8:15 the week before fresno, haha.
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c*********n
发帖数: 2120 | 18 That are the reasons that I am not going to follow them this time-:)
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Tuoniao was running very high mileage (80+ mpw). Pen, well, pen is pen.:)
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 19 Actually, I have always done a 20-miler two weeks before the marathon,
except my last one. Since I BQed in
my last one, I trust that doing a 17-miler two weeks before the race is
enough.:) Although, I followed AM and
did a short time trial the day before, so actually, that 17-miler felt more
difficult than a regular slow and
relaxed 20 miler.
【在 c*********n 的大作中提到】
: That are the reasons that I am not going to follow them this time-:)
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O****e
发帖数: 3290 | 20 Sounds like you have a serious problem with your knees. I would give up CIM
if I were you. If giving up is too difficult for you, I would at least not
try to push for anything. We are not professionals who have obligations
sometimes. Even elite runners gave up big race if they are in bad condition.
I would direct all my attention to taking care of the knees right away.
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】
: I had only one 20-mile long so far at 10:00 pace.
: Really want to have another 20-mile long run with
: better pace (target 8:40), however given the fact
: that CIM is only 2.5 weeks away and I have sour knees
: and sour low-calves, I decided to give up the 2nd
: 20-mile long run today, hoping knees and calves
: recover so that I can enter CIM in good shape.
: I am very afraid that my knees won't have time to recover
: if I do a 20-mile run this weekend.
: After 10/3 San Jose RnR HM, my knees took 2-week to recover.
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 21 i agree with you.
CIM
condition.
【在 O****e 的大作中提到】
: Sounds like you have a serious problem with your knees. I would give up CIM
: if I were you. If giving up is too difficult for you, I would at least not
: try to push for anything. We are not professionals who have obligations
: sometimes. Even elite runners gave up big race if they are in bad condition.
: I would direct all my attention to taking care of the knees right away.
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c*********n
发帖数: 2120 | 22 I think AM's plan for this weekend is a 8K-10K tune up race before a 16
miler-:)
more
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Actually, I have always done a 20-miler two weeks before the marathon,
: except my last one. Since I BQed in
: my last one, I trust that doing a 17-miler two weeks before the race is
: enough.:) Although, I followed AM and
: did a short time trial the day before, so actually, that 17-miler felt more
: difficult than a regular slow and
: relaxed 20 miler.
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l**n
发帖数: 2405 | 23 Thanks everyone for your advices. |
b*******e
发帖数: 1150 | 24 my original advice is based on the condition that you are not injured, and I
would agree with eve MM, it does not make sense to run a fast long run,
which may only make you feel better for now, but delayed recovery for your
readiness to CIM. |
y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 25 just do not do it. CIM will be your first FM anyway, have a good taper and
get sharp to the race.
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】
: I had only one 20-mile long so far at 10:00 pace.
: Really want to have another 20-mile long run with
: better pace (target 8:40), however given the fact
: that CIM is only 2.5 weeks away and I have sour knees
: and sour low-calves, I decided to give up the 2nd
: 20-mile long run today, hoping knees and calves
: recover so that I can enter CIM in good shape.
: I am very afraid that my knees won't have time to recover
: if I do a 20-mile run this weekend.
: After 10/3 San Jose RnR HM, my knees took 2-week to recover.
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b*******e
发帖数: 1150 | 26 yes.. this is no easier than the 20 miles. I am kind of scared when think
of it.
【在 c*********n 的大作中提到】
: I think AM's plan for this weekend is a 8K-10K tune up race before a 16
: miler-:)
:
: more
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d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 27 I think given your sore knee and calf, I would suggest probably no fast runs
, no run longer than 10 miles, just easy runs until CIM.
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】
: Thanks everyone for your advices.
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l*******o
发帖数: 669 | 28 If you are hurt now, there is no point doing another 20-mile run. It will do
more harm than good. |
y****h
发帖数: 188 | 29 man, you are tough. How could you maintain weekly mileage with so serious
injury?
A fast 20 miler is definitely no go for you now. Maybe you can go for easy
17 miler? Just listen to your body. Keep yourself healthy and happy, you
have tons of races to run in the coming years.
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】
: I had only one 20-mile long so far at 10:00 pace.
: Really want to have another 20-mile long run with
: better pace (target 8:40), however given the fact
: that CIM is only 2.5 weeks away and I have sour knees
: and sour low-calves, I decided to give up the 2nd
: 20-mile long run today, hoping knees and calves
: recover so that I can enter CIM in good shape.
: I am very afraid that my knees won't have time to recover
: if I do a 20-mile run this weekend.
: After 10/3 San Jose RnR HM, my knees took 2-week to recover.
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c**e
发帖数: 298 | 30 You are so tough. I took four-day break due to tiny foot pain (compared to
yours). You really need to take care of your knees. A lot of races are
waiting for us...
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】
: I had only one 20-mile long so far at 10:00 pace.
: Really want to have another 20-mile long run with
: better pace (target 8:40), however given the fact
: that CIM is only 2.5 weeks away and I have sour knees
: and sour low-calves, I decided to give up the 2nd
: 20-mile long run today, hoping knees and calves
: recover so that I can enter CIM in good shape.
: I am very afraid that my knees won't have time to recover
: if I do a 20-mile run this weekend.
: After 10/3 San Jose RnR HM, my knees took 2-week to recover.
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m****i
发帖数: 1980 | 31 如果你不仅仅只是想跑 CIM，并且还想可以有足够有力的双腿去enjoy push这个比赛：
想都不要再想20迈。
按照你目前的伤痛看来完全停止跑步三天直到这个周日，然后easy pace（9-10分钟的
pace) 12-15mile如果很疼，可以少跑或者停跑，短期目标（10天内）养腿，恢复最重
要，然后下周每隔1天跑个easy 5迈，直到比赛。
如果按照这个计划你比赛的那天会得到基本恢复的膝盖和小腿
然后你就可以好好投入鸡血沸腾小宇宙爆发的痛快了 |
